Israeli "Operation Cloud Pillar" 2012

[Inyourfaceistan]

So if I threaten to kill you, bring a gun to work, but only shoot you in the toe, it's okay?

[Divair]

Don't get me wrong, it's scary. Very scary. Many people suffer from PTSD after a conflict like this. But it's not particularly dangerous on a large scale.

I have a buddy that was in Ashdod during the Second Intifada - he has refused to go back to Israel since. He's pretty well scarred from it.

I can only it's worse in Gaza, where there's not only the risk of Israeli strikes, but also inter-factional violence and extrajudicial executions.

It's a pretty shit region to live in, no matter the side. That's why I plan on leaving in two and a half years (or sooner, depends on if I want to attend an IB school in the UK).

[Vazdania]

Israel should own all of the supposed "occupied lands" they won it in a defensive war. If Palestine wants to create a country, do it somewhere else.

That's my agrument for Isreal

As in; Go somewhere else

As stated Previously

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

[Divair]

Israel should own all of the supposed "occupied lands" they won it in a defensive war. If Palestine wants to create a country, do it somewhere else.

That's my agrument for Isreal

As in; Go somewhere else

"Hey, 7 million people with an entire country built around you? Pick up and leave"


Then again, I shouldn't be surprised that your opinions are completely unrealistic and foolish after you suggested nuking the entire region.

[Souseiseki]

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

You forgot the international community shaking their finger at Israel and telling them to play nice while China fires upon protestors, Saddam gasses the Kurds and genocide continues in Rowanda...

saddam got a lot of support from the united states back in the day but i don't think he does anymore, i think something happened but i'm not sure what it was

poor israel. poor poor israel. ):

[Vazdania]

Israel should own all of the supposed "occupied lands" they won it in a defensive war. If Palestine wants to create a country, do it somewhere else.

man, you should tell [every country but israel and most/all international organizations] about this amazing insight

so the palestinians should get out? mmmmm

If they complain about having a country that is genocidal against them then yes they should.

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

[Souseiseki]

So if I threaten to kill you, bring a gun to work, but only shoot you in the toe, it's okay?

*kills you, your family and some random people near you while they are not caught in the crossfire of this incident or in any way helping me*

[Vazdania]

That's my agrument for Isreal

As in; Go somewhere else

"Hey, 7 million people with an entire country built around you? Pick up and leave"


Then again, I shouldn't be surprised that your opinions are completely unrealistic and foolish after you suggested nuking the entire region.

I never mentioned nuking the region? you've got me confused with someone else.

[Alyekra]

man, you should tell [every country but israel and most/all international organizations] about this amazing insight

so the palestinians should get out? mmmmm

If they complain about having a country that is genocidal against them then yes they should.

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

[Inyourfaceistan]

You forgot the international community shaking their finger at Israel and telling them to play nice while China fires upon protestors, Saddam gasses the Kurds and genocide continues in Rowanda...

Irrelevant, were talking about Israel, Gaza, Hamas and Palestine.

I'm comparing the condemnation Israel gets for what basically boils down to little more than a border conflict to the lack of attention other flamboyant acts of inhumane atrocity got/get.

[The Huskar Social Union]

"Hey, 7 million people with an entire country built around you? Pick up and leave"


Then again, I shouldn't be surprised that your opinions are completely unrealistic and foolish after you suggested nuking the entire region.

I never mentioned nuking the region? you've got me confused with someone else.

He is not talking about you

[Divair]

"Hey, 7 million people with an entire country built around you? Pick up and leave"


Then again, I shouldn't be surprised that your opinions are completely unrealistic and foolish after you suggested nuking the entire region.

I never mentioned nuking the region? you've got me confused with someone else.

Look carefully. I wasn't replying to you.

[The Zeonic States]

man, you should tell [every country but israel and most/all international organizations] about this amazing insight

so the palestinians should get out? mmmmm

If they complain about having a country that is genocidal against them then yes they should.

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

You keep posting that and do you realize that Isreal is exploding those Very houses they are building?

I don't see a positve in their actions when it's followed by air strikes.

So Yeah Isreal Get out; Go find a island somewhere

[Vazdania]

If they complain about having a country that is genocidal against them then yes they should.

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

[The Huskar Social Union]

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

Again, Matter of Opinion. For both Sides.

[Vazdania]

If they complain about having a country that is genocidal against them then yes they should.

"Two state solution plz palestine?" -Israel
"NO GTFO JEW! WE WAR TO DRIVE INTO SEA!" -Palestine

/one war later
"Omg, why are you so mean, give us a two state solution now that we fought a war and lost after rejecting it! you are an evil jew!" -Palestine
*builds houses* -Israel
"GENOCIIIIIIIIIDE!" -Palestine

You keep posting that and do you realize that Isreal is exploding those Very houses they are building?

I don't see a positve in their actions when it's followed by air strikes.

So Yeah Isreal Get out; Go find a island somewhere

Unintentionally. They are attemtping to destroy only Hamas controlled houeses.

[Serrland]

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

Where? Neighboring countries aren't so keen on a huge influx of Palestinian refugees, given the problems that has historically caused...

[Souseiseki]

You keep posting that and do you realize that Isreal is exploding those Very houses they are building?

I don't see a positve in their actions when it's followed by air strikes.

So Yeah Isreal Get out; Go find a island somewhere

Unintentionally. They are attemtping to destroy only Hamas controlled houeses.

srael's highest-rating news programme, Channel Two News, has published a statement correcting false claims that rockets were fired from schools operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) during the Gaza war in 2008-2009. The statement makes clear that Israeli officials themselves acknowledged that such claims were false and that there was no evidence to support them.

During Operation "Cast Lead" Israeli forces repeatedly took over Palestinian homes in the Gaza Strip forcing families to stay in a ground-floor room while they used the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position – effectively using the families, both adults and children, as “human shields” and putting them at risk.

While soldiers wore protective body armour and helmets and shielded themselves behind sandbags as they fired from the houses, the Palestinian inhabitants of the houses had no such protection.

For the vast majority of homes destroyed, more than 3,000, and damaged, some 20,000, during Operation “Cast Lead”, the Israeli army has provided no evidence to substantiate its allegations that the houses were used as combat positions, as military command centres or to manufacture or store weapons – or for any other purpose which, under certain circumstances, would have made it lawful to target them.

Many of the houses, factories and farms were bulldozed and many of the houses were destroyed with Israeli anti-tank mines, as evident from the remains of the mines that littered the destroyed neighbourhoods, and from the pattern of destruction resulting from this method. Although designed to be used against tanks, these mines can also be set off remotely. Israeli forces have often used them to destroy Palestinian houses in the West Bank and at times also in Gaza.

The fact that the soldiers used this method – which required them to leave their tanks, walk between buildings and enter houses in order to place the explosive charges inside the houses along the supporting walls – indicates that they felt extremely confident that there were no Palestinian gunmen inside or around the houses. It also indicates their confidence that there were no tunnels under the houses which gunmen could use to capture them, and that the houses were not booby-trapped. Had the soldiers believed that they were in danger of being shot, blown up or captured, they would not have ventured out of their tanks to place the mines inside the houses.

Clearly marked ambulances with flashing emergency lights and paramedics wearing recognizable fluorescent vests were repeatedly fired upon as they attempted to rescue the wounded and collect the dead. Such attacks intensified after Israeli ground forces took positions inside Gaza on 3 January 2009. Palestinian ambulance crews tried as best they could to reach as many of the wounded and the dead as possible. They and the international volunteers who accompanied some of the ambulance crews risked their lives every day to carry out their mission.

From 3 January, when the Israeli ground incursion began, until the end of Operation “Cast Lead”, dozens of Israeli tanks took position in various locations inside the Gaza Strip, mostly in the east and north of Gaza. Tanks can fire high-explosive munitions, notably 120mm deep-penetration projectiles and guided shells with extreme precision, including while on the move and at moving targets, from a distance up to 3km from the target.

From these positions inside Gaza Israeli tanks often fired into Palestinian houses up to 2km or more away, killing scores of unarmed civilians, many of them children and women. In all the cases investigated by Amnesty International, the victims were neither caught in the crossfire of battles between soldiers and militants, nor were they shielding militants.

[Vazdania]

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

Again, Matter of Opinion. For both Sides.

Not matter of opinion. Its a matter of fact. If you support Hamas, you support Terrorists. Plain and Simple. Israel is the only functioning democracy in the Middle East and the other countries hate it for simply being Jewish.

[Alyekra]

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

Just quote yourself then, I think that would come off as a bit more mature.

[Divair]

(You need to stop posting the same thing over and over again.

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

No one should move, ffs.


It seems like most people here don't even understand the nature of this region. No wonder foreign intervention tends to mess things up even more.

[Vazdania]

Its a fact that needs to be said over and over again. People supporting Hamas are supporting terrorists. Palestinians should move.

Where? Neighboring countries aren't so keen on a huge influx of Palestinian refugees, given the problems that has historically caused...

If your so concerned about the well being of people, then you should be happy about taking in refugees, specifically if its from a country you hate.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Again, Matter of Opinion. For both Sides.

Not matter of opinion. Its a matter of fact. If you support Hamas, you support Terrorists. Plain and Simple. Israel is the only functioning democracy in the Middle East and the other countries hate it for simply being Jewish.

No, matter of opinion. Also... Turkey doesn't count as a functioning Democracy then? And Turkey doesn't want to destroy Israel, it doesn't have the best relations with them but it is more friendly with the Israeli Nation.

[Vazdania]

Unintentionally. They are attemtping to destroy only Hamas controlled houeses.

srael's highest-rating news programme, Channel Two News, has published a statement correcting false claims that rockets were fired from schools operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) during the Gaza war in 2008-2009. The statement makes clear that Israeli officials themselves acknowledged that such claims were false and that there was no evidence to support them.

During Operation "Cast Lead" Israeli forces repeatedly took over Palestinian homes in the Gaza Strip forcing families to stay in a ground-floor room while they used the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position – effectively using the families, both adults and children, as “human shields” and putting them at risk.

While soldiers wore protective body armour and helmets and shielded themselves behind sandbags as they fired from the houses, the Palestinian inhabitants of the houses had no such protection.

For the vast majority of homes destroyed, more than 3,000, and damaged, some 20,000, during Operation “Cast Lead”, the Israeli army has provided no evidence to substantiate its allegations that the houses were used as combat positions, as military command centres or to manufacture or store weapons – or for any other purpose which, under certain circumstances, would have made it lawful to target them.

Many of the houses, factories and farms were bulldozed and many of the houses were destroyed with Israeli anti-tank mines, as evident from the remains of the mines that littered the destroyed neighbourhoods, and from the pattern of destruction resulting from this method. Although designed to be used against tanks, these mines can also be set off remotely. Israeli forces have often used them to destroy Palestinian houses in the West Bank and at times also in Gaza.

The fact that the soldiers used this method – which required them to leave their tanks, walk between buildings and enter houses in order to place the explosive charges inside the houses along the supporting walls – indicates that they felt extremely confident that there were no Palestinian gunmen inside or around the houses. It also indicates their confidence that there were no tunnels under the houses which gunmen could use to capture them, and that the houses were not booby-trapped. Had the soldiers believed that they were in danger of being shot, blown up or captured, they would not have ventured out of their tanks to place the mines inside the houses.

Clearly marked ambulances with flashing emergency lights and paramedics wearing recognizable fluorescent vests were repeatedly fired upon as they attempted to rescue the wounded and collect the dead. Such attacks intensified after Israeli ground forces took positions inside Gaza on 3 January 2009. Palestinian ambulance crews tried as best they could to reach as many of the wounded and the dead as possible. They and the international volunteers who accompanied some of the ambulance crews risked their lives every day to carry out their mission.

From 3 January, when the Israeli ground incursion began, until the end of Operation “Cast Lead”, dozens of Israeli tanks took position in various locations inside the Gaza Strip, mostly in the east and north of Gaza. Tanks can fire high-explosive munitions, notably 120mm deep-penetration projectiles and guided shells with extreme precision, including while on the move and at moving targets, from a distance up to 3km from the target.

From these positions inside Gaza Israeli tanks often fired into Palestinian houses up to 2km or more away, killing scores of unarmed civilians, many of them children and women. In all the cases investigated by Amnesty International, the victims were neither caught in the crossfire of battles between soldiers and militants, nor were they shielding militants.

Cast Lead was to stop Hamas.

[Souseiseki]

Irrelevant, were talking about Israel, Gaza, Hamas and Palestine.

I'm comparing the condemnation Israel gets for what basically boils down to little more than a border conflict to the lack of attention other flamboyant acts of inhumane atrocity got/get.

Oh this does my fucking head in. Let's just get straight to the point. Did people condemn the Rwanda Genocide? Does the genocide have any supporters? Did the United States give genocidal forces its full support and billions of dollars of "aid"? How many people on this forum do you think we could get to defend the genocide?

You can't have a little wankfest over how Israel is great and the ONLY DEMOCRACY IN THE MIDDLE EAST, OUR GREATEST ALLY WHO WE SUPPORT FULLY, HERE TAKE OUR MONEY then complain if they get told off when they're being naughty. There's no international conspiracy to support Saddam, China and Hitler while secretly giving Israel a VERY VERY stern look but doing nothing except giving her more money when they d-d-d-defend themselves and why are you guys picking on Israel?!