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In the Time of a Second Civil War, who would you support?

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Which side would you fight for?

Three Hurrahs for the Union!
119
33%
Rise the flag of Dixie!
75
21%
Neutrality is the best option here
19
5%
Your British and you know it, rejoin the Empire!
71
20%
Cthulhu shall rise
55
15%
Not American and do/can not care
19
5%
 
Total votes : 358

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Moving Forward Inc
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Postby Moving Forward Inc » Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:18 am

NERVUN wrote:
Moving Forward Inc wrote:Woah, that is just weird.
Btw, where is this "sunset strip"?

I mean, I think I might be getting educated about america from the wrong person...

Possibly.

The Sunset Strip by the way is in LA, Hollywood to be precise.

Interesting.
Meh, there's a whole load more questions I wanna ask about Nevada but I'd hate to derail.
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Postby Norsklow » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:57 am

God bless America, God bless the Union, and may God rebuke all vile seccessionists.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:08 am

I'm a Loyalist Space Marine. Which side would you expect me to take?

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:12 am

Avenio wrote:The Parliamentarians.


This ^

Long-term the Parliamentarian side was good as it gave less power to the Monarchy, though short-term it was bad as it went too far the other way with Cromwell's Republic.
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Postby Norsklow » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:14 am

Samuraikoku wrote:I'm a Loyalist Space Marine. Which side would you expect me to take?


Min.! Soldier, OBEY!
Joseph Stalin, 20 million plus dead -Mao-Tse-Dong, 40 million plus dead - Pol Pot, 2 million dead -Kim-Il-Sung, 5 million dead - Fidel Castro, 1 million dead.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

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Postby Chosuney » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:17 am

Bloody americans and their civil crap. We aren't in the 1800 anymore, this is 2012, Doomsday and disaster year. Atleast if you believe it xD.

But seriously, who cares, Obama won the elections fair and square, Deal with it. If you so badly want something, Then go for bloody communism, Big ass dictator kicking your ass, if ya want that, then just say so.

But seriously, NO COUNTRY, and i repeat, NO COUNTRY is INDEPENDENT, it's all a bunch of bullcrap power controlled idiotism. Just deal with the fact, go to work, and spent your time until you die, this kind of things only blow things up even more. 8I Americans, Power hungry beasts, pff, Independence, What? More supression?

Next thing you know America is split into three, CSA, Californian Republic and the USA. 8I Wtf, what will happen then? NOTHING.
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Postby The Most Serene Republic of Alex Morgan » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:18 am

The South will rise again!

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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:21 am

Norsklow wrote:Min.! Soldier, OBEY!


You have no authority over the Adeptus Astartes. I answer to the Chapter and to the Emperor alone.
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Postby Norsklow » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:22 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Norsklow wrote:Min.! Soldier, OBEY!


You have no authority over the Adeptus Astartes. I answer to the Chapter and to the Emperor alone.


You will obey every senior line Officer, soldier. The question of the limits of authority is not to be raised by enlisted ranks.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
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Postby Chosuney » Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:44 am

I know now, 8I They want to seperate because obama won? It's because he's black isn't it 8I
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Postby Soviet Russia Republic » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:33 am

I would support both. While the sides on mainland USA are busy fighting, it will make Alaska easier to take over.
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Postby Dragonlord Jargon » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:44 am

Their wont be a war if the unionist just let us leave. We are asking peacefully, we are petitioning, we are not rebeling, we are doing this civily. I have given my vote on this thread. Think of the benifits to the nation as a whole, are they so hard to see? Smaller areas are easier to manage making it simpler to get an economy on track, with many conservative states out of the union Obama will have little opposition to his reforms making the union run smoother, having shared heritage with the other states of the union those seceding will maintain a good relationship with the Union, it is the government, not America they are destainful of. The free passage and trade between states will more then likly remain uninfrenged as most have family outside of state and the union would be the only nation any of the states would have a strong tie too.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:46 am

Dragonlord Jargon wrote:Their wont be a war if the unionist just let us leave. We are asking peacefully, we are petitioning, we are not rebeling, we are doing this civily. I have given my vote on this thread. Think of the benifits to the nation as a whole, are they so hard to see? Smaller areas are easier to manage making it simpler to get an economy on track, with many conservative states out of the union Obama will have little opposition to his reforms making the union run smoother, having shared heritage with the other states of the union those seceding will maintain a good relationship with the Union, it is the government, not America they are destainful of. The free passage and trade between states will more then likly remain uninfrenged as most have family outside of state and the union would be the only nation any of the states would have a strong tie too.


Texas vs. White. Articles of Confederation --> Constitution of the United States, indissoluble union. Barring that Supreme Court precedent, take it up with Congress. Good luck.

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Postby Dragonlord Jargon » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:57 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Dragonlord Jargon wrote:Their wont be a war if the unionist just let us leave. We are asking peacefully, we are petitioning, we are not rebeling, we are doing this civily. I have given my vote on this thread. Think of the benifits to the nation as a whole, are they so hard to see? Smaller areas are easier to manage making it simpler to get an economy on track, with many conservative states out of the union Obama will have little opposition to his reforms making the union run smoother, having shared heritage with the other states of the union those seceding will maintain a good relationship with the Union, it is the government, not America they are destainful of. The free passage and trade between states will more then likly remain uninfrenged as most have family outside of state and the union would be the only nation any of the states would have a strong tie too.


Texas vs. White. Articles of Confederation --> Constitution of the United States, indissoluble union. Barring that Supreme Court precedent, take it up with Congress. Good luck.


Why do you think we are ASKING the union? This isn't the first time we have either, petitions have been sent numerous times in the years since the war but never have so many been sent at one time. What would you have us do? Years of work is going into this, we love America, we do not want war, if the government WERE as in if it was curropt would you prefer your state to scede peacefully or to take up arms agianst the entire nation. To US scecession is the civil choice, war is barbaric and solves NOTHING.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:15 am

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:If you didn't say Browncoats, you are Alliance scum.

:blink: Good God, what was I thinking?

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Postby GWACA » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:20 am

Southern men the thunders mutter northern flags in south winds flutter to arms to arms to arms and conquer peace for Dixie.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:20 am

Moving Forward Inc wrote:
Agymnum wrote:
He did get banned, though, so it's like troll-naming in hindsight.

Yeah, I see what happened.
Magmia had to make a new nation for the same reason as Alaje.
Some funny shit the mods like to do, eh?
Nervun is a classic, sometimes when he bans or warns people it comes with a mean as joke.


Um, I was the one that got DEATed. Magmia never got DEATed, atleast I don't remember him telling me he did.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:23 am

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:37 am

GWACA wrote:Southern men the thunders mutter northern flags in south winds flutter to arms to arms to arms and conquer peace for Dixie.

Apparently written by some guy from Ohio. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_(song)
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:39 am

Dragonlord Jargon wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:
Texas vs. White. Articles of Confederation --> Constitution of the United States, indissoluble union. Barring that Supreme Court precedent, take it up with Congress. Good luck.


Why do you think we are ASKING the union? This isn't the first time we have either, petitions have been sent numerous times in the years since the war but never have so many been sent at one time. What would you have us do? Years of work is going into this, we love America, we do not want war, if the government WERE as in if it was curropt would you prefer your state to scede peacefully or to take up arms agianst the entire nation. To US scecession is the civil choice, war is barbaric and solves NOTHING.

If you love America you wouldn't be trying to break her up over politics. You're not being oppressed. We have a system that allows changes to be made. Withdrawing because your guy lost is not one of the options. Not an honest one, anyway, or an adult one.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:45 am

New Sapienta wrote:whihc side would you support?


I'd sell weapons, vehicles, food and medicines to both sides. At outrageously high prices.

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Postby Immoren » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:49 am

Risottia wrote:
New Sapienta wrote:whihc side would you support?


I'd sell weapons, vehicles, food and medicines to both sides. At outrageously high prices.

/evilEUropean.


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Postby Serrland » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:55 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Dragonlord Jargon wrote:
Why do you think we are ASKING the union? This isn't the first time we have either, petitions have been sent numerous times in the years since the war but never have so many been sent at one time. What would you have us do? Years of work is going into this, we love America, we do not want war, if the government WERE as in if it was curropt would you prefer your state to scede peacefully or to take up arms agianst the entire nation. To US scecession is the civil choice, war is barbaric and solves NOTHING.

If you love America you wouldn't be trying to break her up over politics. You're not being oppressed. We have a system that allows changes to be made. Withdrawing because your guy lost is not one of the options. Not an honest one, anyway, or an adult one.


It reminds me of the breakup of the Rummy Club at my old high school. We'd get together and play when the day was over, and there was probably about eight of us. But there was one kid who didn't like how often we chose to play Gin Rummy - she much preferred Russian Rummy. So we'd play, and she'd occasionally complain, and whatnot, but when it was her turn to choose the game we didn't mind if she picked Russian.

Well, evidently she had gotten really fed up with it all, and went and whined to the assistant principal to try to get the school to stop recognizing it as a sanctioned club because it was not "inclusive."

Moral of the story - some people would rather tear stuff down than try to fix it from within.

I think.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:01 am

I can't imagine we'd ever have another civil war,, certainly not less than a century after the last one, but who I would support would depend very much on what they were fighting for and what they were fighting against. Obviously the lines wouldn't be the same as last time.

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Postby Nadkor » Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:14 am

If its just a straight do-over of the last one then Collins and the pro-Treatyites. De Valera was wrong, and sure by having to accept the treaty eventually he ended up getting what he wanted in the long-run and got to be President, so dragging everyone into a civil war in the first place was really unnecessary.
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