In the Time of a Second Civil War, who would you support?

[Benutanairan]

More like the cures for cancer,

Before you can do this you must first be able to do this. That is to say, have the resources. Resources are scarce. They are finite. They must be allocated first.

solving droughts,

Both proof of scarcity and failure to allocate correctly. That's what governance is largely about.

ending corruption,

Bad for allocation. Governments (China provides a notable recent example) try to deal with this. Taito Philip Fields got put away for this.

ensuing a lasting peace in parts of Africa,

Look after your own house before dealing with another. The way it actually goes sounds better.

I could go on ( with the humanitarian aspects)

And many of them are issues of governance.

Not to mention the teachers unions

Your politics are showing.

and the state waste such much time screwing over the educational system that its become an overweight monster.

Matches its students then, am I right?

You realize Im against Ideology in Politics?

Its sours government so inefficiently

Ideology brings Bias into governance

One should not make right wing or left wing decisions on an important issue.

[Communist American Republics]

Kill the Rednecks


The Federal Government should slaughter everyone of this right-wing, inbred hicks. Fuck the Constitution. It's an old piece of paper. Obama needs more power so that he can get shit done, and we an progress as a nation.


We need to purge America of all right-wingers and send them to prison indefinitely.


Libertarians, conservatives, skinheads, Tea Partiers, all of them are possible domestic terrorists and wish to create an American theocracy.


I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

[Agymnum]

You realize Im against Ideology in Politics?

Its sours government so inefficiently

What are you for, then?

If you don't support anything, then you're just as bad as people who support ideologies.

My biggest issue with centrists is that they're so focused on compromise that they lose sight of everything else. Rather than attempting to move toward an ideology that might actually be better, they just decide to compromise for the sake of compromising.

Example: Slavery.

A person who is neither for nor against slavery would simply allow it to exist, thus jeopardizing any attempts to move towards a more enlightened idea of equality and abolition.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

And you call us bigots? Bigotry is not relative only to race, you know.
The Feds would get their asses whooped if they tried to fuck with us.

[Wisconsin9]

Kill the Rednecks


The Federal Government should slaughter everyone of this right-wing, inbred hicks. Fuck the Constitution. It's an old piece of paper. Obama needs more power so that he can get shit done, and we an progress as a nation.


We need to purge America of all right-wingers and send them to prison indefinitely.


Libertarians, conservatives, skinheads, Tea Partiers, all of them are possible domestic terrorists and wish to create an American theocracy.


I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

I'm from Virginia, I'm white, I'm a Communist, I fully support equal rights for gays, I think the KKK should disband, and I have an IQ of 130. In other words, I just refuted every point you made... in one sentence.

[Benutanairan]

You realize Im against Ideology in Politics?

Its sours government so inefficiently

What are you for, then?

If you don't support anything, then you're just as bad as people who support ideologies.

My biggest issue with centrists is that they're so focused on compromise that they lose sight of everything else. Rather than attempting to move toward an ideology that might actually be better, they just decide to compromise for the sake of compromising.

Example: Slavery.

A person who is neither for nor against slavery would simply allow it to exist, thus jeopardizing any attempts to move towards a more enlightened idea of equality and abolition.

Im toward practical reasons

Morally in my mind slavery is abhorrant

Practically ( it cannot compete with a growing society whose feed needs outweigh the total price of a slave) therefore the needs of society needs to be put first
and in the end slavery would have choked itself out by the 1880s by the latest if war had not occurred. . Since cash crops are very unreliable.

[Agymnum]

I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

And you call us bigots? Bigotry is not relative only to race, you know.
The Feds would get their asses whooped if they tried to fuck with us.

While I don't support bigotry, get off your high horse.

The feds would fuck you up if they even put forth a finger of effort.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

And you call us bigots? Bigotry is not relative only to race, you know.
The Feds would get their asses whooped if they tried to fuck with us.

While I don't support bigotry, get off your high horse.

The feds would fuck you up if they even put forth a finger of effort.

You're forgetting our combined national guards, higher population, and plethora of militairy bases.

[Communist American Republics]

And you call us bigots? Bigotry is not relative only to race, you know.
The Feds would get their asses whooped if they tried to fuck with us.

While I don't support bigotry, get off your high horse.

The feds would fuck you up if they even put forth a finger of effort.

Yeah! I can't wait to kill me some white trash redneck inbreeds! Fuck the South!

[Agymnum]

While I don't support bigotry, get off your high horse.

The feds would fuck you up if they even put forth a finger of effort.

You're forgetting our combined national guards, higher population, and plethora of militairy bases.

You're forgetting the fact that no foreign nation would let you exist as an independent entity, let alone rule America.

Regardless if you can beat the US, NATO is more afraid of you than they are of us (at least the Union cooperates and is willing to make buddy-buddy). Europe, if it saw America about to crash because of secession (which would ruin the economy) would step in.

It would be bloody.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

You're forgetting our combined national guards, higher population, and plethora of militairy bases.

You're forgetting the fact that no foreign nation would let you exist as an independent entity, let alone rule America.

Regardless if you can beat the US, NATO is more afraid of you than they are of us (at least the Union cooperates and is willing to make buddy-buddy). Europe, if it saw America about to crash because of secession (which would ruin the economy) would step in.

It would be bloody.

Rule America?
We just want our goddamn independence.

It would be bloody.

The Union would attack first.

[Communist American Republics]

Kill the Rednecks


The Federal Government should slaughter everyone of this right-wing, inbred hicks. Fuck the Constitution. It's an old piece of paper. Obama needs more power so that he can get shit done, and we an progress as a nation.


We need to purge America of all right-wingers and send them to prison indefinitely.


Libertarians, conservatives, skinheads, Tea Partiers, all of them are possible domestic terrorists and wish to create an American theocracy.


I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

I'm from Virginia, I'm white, I'm a Communist, I fully support equal rights for gays, I think the KKK should disband, and I have an IQ of 130. In other words, I just refuted every point you made... in one sentence.

Must suck that you're from a shitty hick state. Virginia is a white trash Republican shithole. The South is the worst place on Earth.

[Agymnum]

You're forgetting the fact that no foreign nation would let you exist as an independent entity, let alone rule America.

Regardless if you can beat the US, NATO is more afraid of you than they are of us (at least the Union cooperates and is willing to make buddy-buddy). Europe, if it saw America about to crash because of secession (which would ruin the economy) would step in.

It would be bloody.

Rule America?
We just want our goddamn independence.

It would be bloody.

The Union would attack first.

Your independence is a threat to Europe since the brief interlude between the Union and the South going to war and then making buddy-buddy would ruin the American economy (closely tied with the world economy).

[Wisconsin9]

I'm from Virginia, I'm white, I'm a Communist, I fully support equal rights for gays, I think the KKK should disband, and I have an IQ of 130. In other words, I just refuted every point you made... in one sentence.

Must suck that you're from a shitty hick state. Virginia is a white trash Republican shithole. The South is the worst place on Earth.

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

Kill the Rednecks


The Federal Government should slaughter everyone of this right-wing, inbred hicks. Fuck the Constitution. It's an old piece of paper. Obama needs more power so that he can get shit done, and we an progress as a nation.


We need to purge America of all right-wingers and send them to prison indefinitely.


Libertarians, conservatives, skinheads, Tea Partiers, all of them are possible domestic terrorists and wish to create an American theocracy.


I support the Feds taking full military action against these right-wing hicks. We should just destroy the South. Southerners are all retarded, racist, homophobic, KKK bigots anyways.

Fuck white trash hicks!

I'm from Virginia, I'm white, I'm a Communist, I fully support equal rights for gays, I think the KKK should disband, and I have an IQ of 130. In other words, I just refuted every point you made... in one sentence.

While I'm not a communist, I also support equal rights for gays, am pro-choice, and hate the KKK.

[Agymnum]

Must suck that you're from a shitty hick state. Virginia is a white trash Republican shithole. The South is the worst place on Earth.

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were from Virginia.

[ALMF]

The South has twice(1860's and the 1950/60s) been spared by the mercy of better men, and twice mistaken mercy for weakness.
If it comes we shuld do what Uncle Billy suggested and brake southern couture, southern wite culture especially, at it's core and rebuild it from scratch.

[Communist American Republics]

Must suck that you're from a shitty hick state. Virginia is a white trash Republican shithole. The South is the worst place on Earth.

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

You're still part of the shitty South. Dumb hick. White trash.

Why don't you live in a more civilized place like New Jersey?

[Agymnum]

The South has twice(1860's and the 1950/60s) been spared by the mercy of better men, and twice mistaken mercy for weakness.
If it comes we shuld do what Uncle Billy suggested and brake southern couture, southern wite culture especially, at it's core and rebuild it from scratch.

I remember Sherman. I liked his tactics.

"Fuck morality. They chose their fate. Burn it."

Short, sweet, honest, and effective.

[Wisconsin9]

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were from Virginia.

Considering some the more... unsavory aspects of their lives, that could be taken either way.

[Agymnum]

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

You're still part of the shitty South. Dumb hick. White trash.

Why don't you live in a more civilized place like New Jersey?

Insulting someone personally is against the rules of conduct and can get you banned. I suggest you be nicer and refrain from insulting respectable posters like Wisconsin9 in the future.

[North California]

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were from Virginia.

Two great men indeed.

[Wisconsin9]

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

You're still part of the shitty South. Dumb hick. White trash.

Why don't you live in a more civilized place like New Jersey?

I'd sooner shoot myself than live in Jersey, and I've lived in the north for the past six or seven years.

[The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower]

Virginia voted Democrat last two presidential elections.

You're still part of the shitty South. Dumb hick. White trash.

Why don't you live in a more civilized place like New Jersey?

Fuck you.
People like you are the reason we want independence in the first place.

[Agymnum]

Also, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were from Virginia.

Considering some the more... unsavory aspects of their lives, that could be taken either way.

Can't deny that they did great things, though.

Washington freed all his slaves and was personally against slavery. Jefferson was as well (although in a hypocritical move he didn't free all his slaves due to financial issues). I'd say that, for their time, they were good men.