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Has the EPA gone too far?

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No
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Yes
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26%
Yes, we need to make them accountable
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18%
No, appointed bureaucrats should rule over us
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I don't care
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11%
I'm a socio-fascist/statist, so yes.
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Total votes : 66

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:48 pm

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:If this is true, the person with the bright idea should be lined up against a wall and shot.

Go back and read the url of the OP's "source" I think that should make clear the validity of their claim.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:51 pm

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:If this is true, the person with the bright idea should be lined up against a wall and shot.

One person does not a line make. And we don't do "up against the wall" in the US when we don't like a city ordinance. We vote out the people who passed it and get it repealed.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:53 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Soviet Russia Republic wrote:If this is true, the person with the bright idea should be lined up against a wall and shot.

One person does not a line make. And we don't do "up against the wall" in the US when we don't like a city ordinance. We vote out the people who passed it and get it repealed.

I've done "up against the wall" before when I didn't like someone. But we liked each other better afterwards, so I guess it all worked out.

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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:54 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One person does not a line make. And we don't do "up against the wall" in the US when we don't like a city ordinance. We vote out the people who passed it and get it repealed.

I've done "up against the wall" before when I didn't like someone. But we liked each other better afterwards, so I guess it all worked out.

I've done it too, and now I'm registered. :(
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Postby Strawberrry Fields » Tue Nov 13, 2012 4:58 pm

Avenio wrote:It's totally true you guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer. I only got out because I always carry a copy of the Constitution in my pocket, and when I pulled it out the lizardman burst into flames and fled from its righteousness.


lol :rofl:

Yea, your source "infowars" is a bit of a joke. Is there any real source to support this?
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Postby Sdaeriji » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:03 pm

Laerod wrote:

Right in an effort to bring some sanity to this: No. No.

Specifically, it's not EPA-mandated, it's a San Diego mandated thing. If it was EPA-mandated, then why the fuck limit it to San Diego?

And the penalties? Nowhere near as stiff as claimed and certainly not as a first resort.


Man, CToaN's idea to start reading threads at page 3 is genius. Four posts in and I already know how and why the OP is full of shit.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:48 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I grew up in San Diego. What with it technically being a desert and all, I can totally see that as being the case.

Growing up in Northern California near where all the water comes from, I too would like it if Southern California would conserve water...which, to be fair, in recent years they've at times been even better than we have about it.

But, it is as always a bone of contention between the two halves of the state. I have a bartender friend who worked at a hotel, almost kicked a socal asshole out because he said, "We just want you to give us the water and shut the fuck up."


Yeah, yeah, just wait until the desalination plants are up and running.

... Right after SCAG finds a way to magically power them all.

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:51 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Growing up in Northern California near where all the water comes from, I too would like it if Southern California would conserve water...which, to be fair, in recent years they've at times been even better than we have about it.

But, it is as always a bone of contention between the two halves of the state. I have a bartender friend who worked at a hotel, almost kicked a socal asshole out because he said, "We just want you to give us the water and shut the fuck up."


Yeah, yeah, just wait until the desalination plants are up and running.

... Right after SCAG finds a way to magically power them all.

What interests me is how the power companies are going to have to get around the ban that's coming in a few years on using seawater for cooling coastal power plants. Because they sure as hell don't want to build cooling towers, if its even practical to build them, which for most plants affected it isn't.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:57 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Yeah, yeah, just wait until the desalination plants are up and running.

... Right after SCAG finds a way to magically power them all.

What interests me is how the power companies are going to have to get around the ban that's coming in a few years on using seawater for cooling coastal power plants. Because they sure as hell don't want to build cooling towers, if its even practical to build them, which for most plants affected it isn't.


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Why don't they just friggin' allow the plants to push that waste heat water to desalination plants?

ARG GUBMENT NARG

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Postby The Corparation » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:02 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
The Corparation wrote:What interests me is how the power companies are going to have to get around the ban that's coming in a few years on using seawater for cooling coastal power plants. Because they sure as hell don't want to build cooling towers, if its even practical to build them, which for most plants affected it isn't.


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Why don't they just friggin' allow the plants to push that waste heat water to desalination plants?

ARG GUBMENT NARG

I know part of it is that the intakes kill marine life.... and by marine life I mean pretty much just Sea Lions because everything else isn't strong enough to fight the current and reaches the elevator to get scooped out, while the sea lions fight the current until they pass out and drown.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:07 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
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Why don't they just friggin' allow the plants to push that waste heat water to desalination plants?

ARG GUBMENT NARG

I know part of it is that the intakes kill marine life.... and by marine life I mean pretty much just Sea Lions because everything else isn't strong enough to fight the current and reaches the elevator to get scooped out, while the sea lions fight the current until they pass out and drown.


At least the precious sea kittens are spared.

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Postby Laerod » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:09 am

Soviet Russia Republic wrote:If this is true, the person with the bright idea should be lined up against a wall and shot.

Are you one of those people that voted that doing nothing is an example of the EPA going too far?
Sdaeriji wrote:
Laerod wrote:Right in an effort to bring some sanity to this: No. No.

Specifically, it's not EPA-mandated, it's a San Diego mandated thing. If it was EPA-mandated, then why the fuck limit it to San Diego?

And the penalties? Nowhere near as stiff as claimed and certainly not as a first resort.


Man, CToaN's idea to start reading threads at page 3 is genius. Four posts in and I already know how and why the OP is full of shit.

Genius. Though you missed Farn's smackdown in post #2...

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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:26 am

Sounds silly, but if anything it is a maximum penalty; minor infringements like first offenses I doubt would be so severe.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:28 am

New Rogernomics wrote:Sounds silly, but if anything it is a maximum penalty; minor infringements like first offenses I doubt would be so severe.

It's not, actually. Maximum punishment is your water getting shut off.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:33 am

Laerod wrote:
New Rogernomics wrote:Sounds silly, but if anything it is a maximum penalty; minor infringements like first offenses I doubt would be so severe.

It's not, actually. Maximum punishment is your water getting shut off.
In that case, still a bit severe; but that is local government for you. :meh:
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Postby Laerod » Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:53 am

New Rogernomics wrote:
Laerod wrote:It's not, actually. Maximum punishment is your water getting shut off.
In that case, still a bit severe; but that is local government for you. :meh:

Try reading the links from the local government.

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Postby Tekania » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:50 am

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding: [url]http://www.infowars


This is where I stopped.


Sounds like a good rule of thumb.
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Postby Tekania » Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:57 am

Avenio wrote:It's totally true you guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer. I only got out because I always carry a copy of the Constitution in my pocket, and when I pulled it out the lizardman burst into flames and fled from its righteousness.


10/10..... I really like the part where the lizardmen burst into flames.
Such heroic nonsense!

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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:04 am

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Growing up in Northern California near where all the water comes from, I too would like it if Southern California would conserve water...which, to be fair, in recent years they've at times been even better than we have about it.

But, it is as always a bone of contention between the two halves of the state. I have a bartender friend who worked at a hotel, almost kicked a socal asshole out because he said, "We just want you to give us the water and shut the fuck up."


Yeah, yeah, just wait until the desalination plants are up and running.

... Right after SCAG finds a way to magically power them all.

There are a lot of low-energy desalination methods that seem to be pretty far along by now, though. In a few years they should be commercial, I hope.
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Postby Laerod » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:06 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Yeah, yeah, just wait until the desalination plants are up and running.

... Right after SCAG finds a way to magically power them all.

There are a lot of low-energy desalination methods that seem to be pretty far along by now, though. In a few years they should be commercial, I hope.

The faith in techonolgy coming about to save dry areas rather than hydrofiscal responsibility is a misplaced one. Desalinization plants aren't going to replace the need for curbing waste.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:49 am

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How did you get that from what I posted? The EPA is a Federal agency with absolutely no direct accountability to the American people as it's head is appointed, not elected. With the amount of money that goes down blackholes due to corruption and other factors in Federal Agencies, I, you, anyone could be a very rich man.

Then...this doesn't just apply to San Diego would it?

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It actually is toxic in very high doses...
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:10 am

Armenia Reborn wrote:San Diegans could face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 dollars a day for washing their car in the driveway or failing to pick up dog poop under new EPA-mandated environmental regulations related to water quality.

Although residents of the city are forced to drink toxic waste in their water supply in the form of sodium fluoride,


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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:18 am

Bad source, bad argument in the OP, everyone fapping to how terrible the OP is, laughing at LOLbertarians.

Nothing to do here.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:33 am

Avenio wrote:It's totally true you guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer. I only got out because I always carry a copy of the Constitution in my pocket, and when I pulled it out the lizardman burst into flames and fled from its righteousness.

You forgot how they tried to subject you to fluoridation.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 7:34 am

Risottia wrote:
Avenio wrote:It's totally true you guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer. I only got out because I always carry a copy of the Constitution in my pocket, and when I pulled it out the lizardman burst into flames and fled from its righteousness.

You forgot how they tried to subject you to fluoridation.

That's one of the things fluoridation does, it makes you forget things.
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