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SD residents can face 6 years in jail for washing their cars

Postby Armenia Reborn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:13 pm

I wish I was kidding: http://www.infowars.com/san-diegans-face-6-years-in-prison-for-washing-their-car/

San Diego Residents Face 6 Years In Prison For Washing Their Car: New environmental water rules enforced by citizen snitch program

San Diegans could face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 dollars a day for washing their car in the driveway or failing to pick up dog poop under new EPA-mandated environmental regulations related to water quality.

Although residents of the city are forced to drink toxic waste in their water supply in the form of sodium fluoride, measures imposed as a consequence of the Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act would turn the most mundane of activities into a criminal offense.

“California’s latest experiment in faith-based policymaking is being unleashed today on the San Diego public, as regional water-quality officials begin hearings on new regulations that seem crafted to turn most owners of a car, house or dog into criminals within a decade or so. We wish we were exaggerating,” reports the North County Times.

“Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk
.”

The regulations will be enforced with the aid of a 24-hour telephone snitch line which residents of San Diego, south Orange and southwest Riverside counties can use to report on their neighbors for violating the new code. The new rules could even force firefighters to collect the water they use to douse burning buildings. The regulations are being passed under the justification of minimizing the bacteria Total Maximum Daily Load (TMDL) that runs into rivers and streams. The editorial board of the North County Times warns that the rules are “preposterous” and will “sap billions of dollars from the local economy.”

“In hundreds of pages, the new regulations set targets that measure bacteria from animal waste during dry periods at local beaches, even as they note that wide variations in bacteria occur naturally in the environment. And we could find no evidence from these officials that severe cuts in stormwater runoff will cause improvements in human or wildlife health. Indeed, nowhere do they bother to say why today’s levels are considered bad for us,” writes the newspaper.
Ironically, while San Diegans could be turned into criminals for failing to uphold dubious water quality standards, they are simultaneously being forced to consume drinking water contaminated with a known toxic waste - sodium fluoride.

Almost 60 years after it was barred from public pumps and pipes, the city utilities department started fluoridating the water supply in San Diego again last year.
As numerous studies and expert testimony affirm, sodium fluoride is a toxic waste from the phosphate industry and has been linked with innumerable debilitating and in some cases terminal health problems such as disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, as well as lowering IQ. Environmentalists and EPA regulators don’t appear to be too concerned about a product which has on its packaging a skull and crossbones being artificially added to the water supply, but the runoff from a car wash or a piece of dog poop apparently poses a big enough threat to turn residents into criminals for engaging in activity as mundane as cleaning their vehicle.

Stephanie Gaines, land use and environmental planner for the county’s Department of Public Works, pointed out that ”The regulations stem from the federal Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act and are passed down to the state, regional, and local levels.”
Planning group member Chad Anderson said that the regulations appeared to “Overlap with statements from Agenda 21, the comprehensive global plan for sustainable development that was created at a United Nation’s Earth Summit in 1992. It was signed by more than 178 countries, including the United States, and opponents say it targets private property.”

As we have previously highlighted, the UN’s Agenda 21, which is being implemented across the United States in a number of different guises, demands that member nations adopt “sustainable development” policies that are little more than a disguise for the reintroduction of neo-feudalism and only serve to reduce living standards and quality of life. The regulations about to be foisted upon San Diegans are merely a taste of the kind of big government tyranny and control freak micromanagement we can expect to see unleashed against Americans under the guise of environmentalism when real environmental issues like toxic waste being added to the water supply are completely ignored.


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Postby The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:14 pm

Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding: [url]http://www.infowars


This is where I stopped.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:15 pm

Your source isn't known for its reliability.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:16 pm

The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding: [url]http://www.infowars


This is where I stopped.

Me, too. But in general, good. When water is at a premium, people should be penalized for wasting it. And dog poop is gross. You wanna have a dog? Deal with the poop, don't just leave lying around for other people to deal with.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:17 pm

Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding: [url]http://www.infowars.com


*sigh*

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Postby Avenio » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:18 pm

It's totally true you guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer. I only got out because I always carry a copy of the Constitution in my pocket, and when I pulled it out the lizardman burst into flames and fled from its righteousness.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:19 pm

Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding:


Considering you just quoted Infowars, are you sure you aren't kidding?

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Postby Raeyh » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:19 pm

Don't they have self service car washes? That way all the soapy water goes down the drain or whatever they are trying to prevent doesn't happen.

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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:20 pm

Avenio wrote:It's totally true, guys. I was washing my car and before I knew it I was arrested, tossed in jail and abused by an Illuminati United Nations lizardman police officer.

A conspiracy is afoot!

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:23 pm

I couldn't find a source that backs up the sensationalism in the OP, but I did find San Diego's page on washing your car.
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Postby UNIverseVERSE » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:25 pm

Sodium Flouride is more commonly known as Table Salt.

Personally, I think all these people should be locked up for letting dangerous quantities of Dihydrogen Monoxide out into the world at large.
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Postby Ralkovia » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:25 pm

Armenia Reborn wrote:I wish I was kidding: http://www.infowars.com/san-diegans-face-6-years-in-prison-for-washing-their-car/

San Diego Residents Face 6 Years In Prison For Washing Their Car: New environmental water rules enforced by citizen snitch program

San Diegans could face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 dollars a day for washing their car in the driveway or failing to pick up dog poop under new EPA-mandated environmental regulations related to water quality.

Although residents of the city are forced to drink toxic waste in their water supply in the form of sodium fluoride, measures imposed as a consequence of the Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act would turn the most mundane of activities into a criminal offense.

“California’s latest experiment in faith-based policymaking is being unleashed today on the San Diego public, as regional water-quality officials begin hearings on new regulations that seem crafted to turn most owners of a car, house or dog into criminals within a decade or so. We wish we were exaggerating,” reports the North County Times.

“Under the draft rules, ordinary homeowners may face six years in prison and fines of $100,000 a day if they are deemed serial offenders of such new crimes as allowing sprinklers to hit the pavement, washing a car in the driveway, or, conceivably, failing to pick up dog poop promptly from their own backyards, let alone the sidewalk
.”

The regulations will be enforced with the aid of a 24-hour telephone snitch line which residents of San Diego, south Orange and southwest Riverside counties can use to report on their neighbors for violating the new code. The new rules could even force firefighters to collect the water they use to douse burning buildings. The regulations are being passed under the justification of minimizing the bacteria Total Maximum Daily Load (TMDL) that runs into rivers and streams. The editorial board of the North County Times warns that the rules are “preposterous” and will “sap billions of dollars from the local economy.”

“In hundreds of pages, the new regulations set targets that measure bacteria from animal waste during dry periods at local beaches, even as they note that wide variations in bacteria occur naturally in the environment. And we could find no evidence from these officials that severe cuts in stormwater runoff will cause improvements in human or wildlife health. Indeed, nowhere do they bother to say why today’s levels are considered bad for us,” writes the newspaper.
Ironically, while San Diegans could be turned into criminals for failing to uphold dubious water quality standards, they are simultaneously being forced to consume drinking water contaminated with a known toxic waste - sodium fluoride.

Almost 60 years after it was barred from public pumps and pipes, the city utilities department started fluoridating the water supply in San Diego again last year.
As numerous studies and expert testimony affirm, sodium fluoride is a toxic waste from the phosphate industry and has been linked with innumerable debilitating and in some cases terminal health problems such as disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, as well as lowering IQ. Environmentalists and EPA regulators don’t appear to be too concerned about a product which has on its packaging a skull and crossbones being artificially added to the water supply, but the runoff from a car wash or a piece of dog poop apparently poses a big enough threat to turn residents into criminals for engaging in activity as mundane as cleaning their vehicle.

Stephanie Gaines, land use and environmental planner for the county’s Department of Public Works, pointed out that ”The regulations stem from the federal Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act and are passed down to the state, regional, and local levels.”
Planning group member Chad Anderson said that the regulations appeared to “Overlap with statements from Agenda 21, the comprehensive global plan for sustainable development that was created at a United Nation’s Earth Summit in 1992. It was signed by more than 178 countries, including the United States, and opponents say it targets private property.”

As we have previously highlighted, the UN’s Agenda 21, which is being implemented across the United States in a number of different guises, demands that member nations adopt “sustainable development” policies that are little more than a disguise for the reintroduction of neo-feudalism and only serve to reduce living standards and quality of life. The regulations about to be foisted upon San Diegans are merely a taste of the kind of big government tyranny and control freak micromanagement we can expect to see unleashed against Americans under the guise of environmentalism when real environmental issues like toxic waste being added to the water supply are completely ignored.


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Postby Homosexy » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:28 pm

I live in SD and I don't know about the jail sentence hut you can get in a lot of trouble for running your hose not on your designated day. The water conservation people are trying like crazy to conserve as much as possible.
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Postby Khadgar » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:29 pm

UNIverseVERSE wrote:Sodium Flouride is more commonly known as Table Salt.

Personally, I think all these people should be locked up for letting dangerous quantities of Dihydrogen Monoxide out into the world at large.


Salt is sodium chloride.

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Postby UNIverseVERSE » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:30 pm

Khadgar wrote:
UNIverseVERSE wrote:Sodium Flouride is more commonly known as Table Salt.

Personally, I think all these people should be locked up for letting dangerous quantities of Dihydrogen Monoxide out into the world at large.


Salt is sodium chloride.


Man, you have boring food :P

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Postby Pope Joan » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:32 pm

In NY State the EPA is proposing rules (via a process which does not even allow a time for citizen comment) that would make farmers accountable for seasonal standing water on their land (puddles!), by redefining the term "navigable".

The EPA has had some serious funding cuts and is trying to find new ways to justify itself and gain revenue streams through fines.
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Postby Selsada » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:34 pm

Six years in jail seems a bit much for wasting water...

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:35 pm

Homosexy wrote:I live in SD and I don't know about the jail sentence hut you can get in a lot of trouble for running your hose not on your designated day. The water conservation people are trying like crazy to conserve as much as possible.


I grew up in San Diego. What with it technically being a desert and all, I can totally see that as being the case.

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Postby Armenia Reborn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:36 pm

I can't wait to be appointed the head of the EPA and just start making everything a fineable offense. The best part of it would be that I am not accountable to the American people! The yachts I will buy....
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:36 pm

Am I the only one who thought the OP meant "South Dakota"?

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Postby Nidaria » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:38 pm

Yet another stupid regulation by the champion of stupid regulations...
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Postby Samuraikoku » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:39 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Am I the only one who thought the OP meant "South Dakota"?


Nope. If it helps you any.

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Postby Khadgar » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:39 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Am I the only one who thought the OP meant "South Dakota"?

No, you're not.

Armenia Reborn wrote:I can't wait to be appointed the head of the EPA and just start making everything a fineable offense. The best part of it would be that I am not accountable to the American people! The yachts I will buy....


How old are you? You do realize that the EPA isn't a company right? The head of the EPA doesn't get to keep all the money that comes in.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:41 pm

Khadgar wrote:
UNIverseVERSE wrote:Sodium Flouride is more commonly known as Table Salt.

Personally, I think all these people should be locked up for letting dangerous quantities of Dihydrogen Monoxide out into the world at large.


Salt is sodium chloride.

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Postby SaintB » Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:42 pm

According to this its only a consideration; if it were passed it certainly would be too far.

Selsada wrote:Six years in jail seems a bit much for wasting water...

Its not about wasting water its about degrading water quality by filling it with toxic pollutants from soaps.

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Am I the only one who thought the OP meant "South Dakota"?

Nope.
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