Secession Movement in the United States

[Farnhamia]

Here is a statement by the GOVERNOR of MY STATE:

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... ion_s.html

Silly is a good word for it, I agree.

[Dyakovo]

So we have an agreement,
The blue states take our retirees and unemployed, and retain the debt.

The red states get the military equipment of the union, since we like fancy toys more.

Sounds like a fair deal.

I was thinking more, everyone keeps what's in their own state.

Why? The military equipment (and bases) belongs to the federal government not to the states.

[Jocabia]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

[Farnhamia]

I was thinking more, everyone keeps what's in their own state.

Why? The military equipment (and bases) belongs to the federal government not to the states.

Now, if they'd like to pay for the real estate, after the government takes out all the removables, that's another story.

[Dyakovo]

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

Yes, it was.

[Dyakovo]

Why? The military equipment (and bases) belongs to the federal government not to the states.

Now, if they'd like to pay for the real estate, after the government takes out all the removables, that's another story.

I would be okay with that.

[Farnhamia]

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

Yes, it was.

Do you get the impression that a lot of people didn't read the Terms and Conditions of being a State?

[Dyakovo]

Yes, it was.

Do you get the impression that a lot of people didn't read the Terms and Conditions of being a State?

[Death Metal]

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

Yes, it was.

And that's how the Civil War started.

[Project Atropos]

I am a Texan. I am a southerner. Honestly, the whole seccession thing is moronic at best. For those who say that the Constitution allows for secession, you would be wrong....The Declaration doesn't even allow for secession. This whole argument is based on one section of the Declaration which states that if the people get tired of their government, they can CHANGE it. Notice no secession. The civil war should have taught the states that the Federal Government is the supreme law of the land and that no state has the right to nullify the law of these United States. Maybe we need to do an 1864 Sherman action again (AKA Burn the south to the ground). Better yet, move all of the bothersome successionists to South Carolina...they are the ones that started this in 1832 (Nullification Crisis). Fact is, northerners run southern states.

Well, you're right about the Constitution, but the Declaration is irrelevant. The Declaration doesn't lay down any laws, but it does bring up an interesting point. I'm sure that the British government said it was illegal to secede. I'm sure glad we followed their laws and stayed British colonies, and that technically, you're a Mexican because you're living on Mexican land. Oh wait, that didn't happen. If the *secessionists gave a fuck about if it was illegal to secede or not, they wouldn't do it. Also, you're saying that if people get tired of their government, they have the right to change it, which is the reason we have the right to bear arms. Essentially, you're implying that peace is out of the question, but you're absolutely fine with someone blowing Obama's head off. "Maybe we need to do an 1864 Sherman action again" Maybe you need to grow up and realize that your actions cause reactions. The south and the Midwest (the ones voting for secession) produce most of your food. I would enjoy it very much if you attempted that. Have fun starving to death. "Fact is, northerners run southern states" You do realize that you're in a southern state, right? How many northern Governors are running southern states? That's right none. You have to live in the state for 5+ years, so technically, they're southern at that point anyway. Go back to playing COD.

[Sdaeriji]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

You yourself specifically said something about taking the appropriate course of action to force Austin to remain Texan.

[Dyakovo]

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

You yourself specifically said something about taking the appropriate course of action to force Austin to remain Texan.

And about stealing Federal property...

[Bottle]

As somebody who is absolutely tickled that Romney lost, I still agree that the electoral college is crap and needs to be done away with.

Yeah, I didn't like Romney either, but Obama isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread. Honestly, in my opinion, we were fucked either way

Well, I'm a female person, so personally I'd rather be fucked by the one who won't then force me to carry his rape-baby to term. But yah know, we sluts are always going for "identity politics" like that, so...*shrug*

[Khadgar]

Yeah, I didn't like Romney either, but Obama isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread. Honestly, in my opinion, we were fucked either way

Well, I'm a female person, so personally I'd rather be fucked by the one who won't then force me to carry his rape-baby to term. But yah know, we sluts are always going for "identity politics" like that, so...*shrug*

But God intended for that to happen!

[Sdaeriji]

Yeah, I didn't like Romney either, but Obama isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread. Honestly, in my opinion, we were fucked either way

Well, I'm a female person, so personally I'd rather be fucked by the one who won't then force me to carry his rape-baby to term. But yah know, we sluts are always going for "identity politics" like that, so...*shrug*

No. Your vagina belongs to the American people. Stop being so selfish.

[Srboslavija]

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

By "our" you mean "your", as in our equipment, right?

Complete asset transfer [specifically related to military hardware] takes place upon independence. Meaning, that assets which were held by the State prior to secession become property of the new Republic. Look up the relevant Federal laws regarding possession.

Any attempts made to claim said equipment would involve foreign troops entering [now] sovereign soil - which in military terms is akin to a declaration of war and would be met with the appropriate response. Again, it is clear who the instigator would be.

[Bottle]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

It's true, the Confederates seldom come right out and SAY they want to violently secede. Usually they stick with muttering darkly about "watering the tree of liberty" and how Obama is gonna take their guns (which they only want to keep for totally non-violent purposes!).

[Bottle]

Well, I'm a female person, so personally I'd rather be fucked by the one who won't then force me to carry his rape-baby to term. But yah know, we sluts are always going for "identity politics" like that, so...*shrug*

No. Your vagina belongs to the American people. Stop being so selfish.

Relevant:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-out ... -je,11546/

[Death Metal]

Well, I'm a female person, so personally I'd rather be fucked by the one who won't then force me to carry his rape-baby to term. But yah know, we sluts are always going for "identity politics" like that, so...*shrug*

But God intended for that to happen!

I most certainly did not.

[Sdaeriji]

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

By "our" you mean "your", as in our equipment, right?

Complete asset transfer [specifically related to military hardware] takes place upon independence. Meaning, that assets which were held by the State prior to secession become property of the new Republic. Look up the relevant Federal laws regarding possession.

Any attempts made to claim said equipment would involve foreign troops entering [now] sovereign soil - which in military terms is akin to a declaration of war and would be met with the appropriate response. Again, it is clear who the instigator would be.

In a peaceful secession, asset transfer is negotiated.

[Farnhamia]

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

By "our" you mean "your", as in our equipment, right?

Complete asset transfer [specifically related to military hardware] takes place upon independence. Meaning, that assets which were held by the State prior to secession become property of the new Republic. Look up the relevant Federal laws regarding possession.

Any attempts made to claim said equipment would involve foreign troops entering [now] sovereign soil - which in military terms is akin to a declaration of war and would be met with the appropriate response. Again, it is clear who the instigator would be.

This kind of thing would be worked out before the date on which the secessionist states became independent. Negotiations, you know. I cannot imagine the Federal government simply leaving everything behind. Unless, as I said before, you want to pay for it. Beware, though, a lot of that stuff is very expensive.

[Death Metal]

It's true, the Confederates seldom come right out and SAY they want to violently secede. Usually they stick with muttering darkly about "watering the tree of liberty" and how Obama is gonna take their guns (which they only want to keep for totally non-violent purposes!).

Ironic, because Obama expanded gun rights to unheard of levels.

[Khadgar]

It's true, the Confederates seldom come right out and SAY they want to violently secede. Usually they stick with muttering darkly about "watering the tree of liberty" and how Obama is gonna take their guns (which they only want to keep for totally non-violent purposes!).

Ironic, because Obama expanded gun rights to unheard of levels.

The NRA fucking hates him though, they gave him an F on gun rights, thus proving they're completely partisan and not in any way objective.

[Death Metal]

Ironic, because Obama expanded gun rights to unheard of levels.

The NRA fucking hates him though, they gave him an F on gun rights, thus proving they're completely partisan and not in any way objective.

Because CPAC gives them more money.

[Dyakovo]

Wasn't it you who said that if we tried to take back our military equipment that we'd have to pry it from your cold dead hands?

By "our" you mean "your", as in our equipment, right?

Complete asset transfer [specifically related to military hardware] takes place upon independence. Meaning, that assets which were held by the State prior to secession become property of the new Republic. Look up the relevant Federal laws regarding possession.

Any attempts made to claim said equipment would involve foreign troops entering [now] sovereign soil - which in military terms is akin to a declaration of war and would be met with the appropriate response. Again, it is clear who the instigator would be.

The states don't possess the equipment, the Federal government does. The equipment is operated by employees of the federal government and is housed on land owned by the federal government.
In other words: you fail again.