Secession Movement in the United States

[Greed and Death]

"Just try to pry my military equipment from my cold dead hands"

1: It isn't their military equipment.
2: That is a challenge that, if taken, Texas would lose horribly.

I dont think the South is going to line up in neat lines so we can take turns firing volleys at each other this time.

A civil war now would be an extended terrorist action. I imagine going to the super market would be like going to the airport today, and going to the means of mass transit would require mandatory strip and cavity searches.

[Zathganastan]

I AM TEXAN, I want to secede because of government policy, not something as immature as candidate, besides we can leave because its in our constitution.

And what government policy would that be, the one were they keep providing the state with money and infrastructure or the attempt to bring the country into the 21th century.Also state constitution is virtually powerless to override the United States Constitution.

[Dyakovo]

I AM TEXAN, I want to secede because of government policy, not something as immature as candidate, besides we can leave because its in our constitution.

And what government policy would that be, the one were they keep providing the state with money and infrastructure or the attempt to bring the country into the 21th century.Also state constitution is virtually powerless to override the United States Constitution.

Not virtually, completely...
Also, he's lying anyways...

[Bottle]

1: It isn't their military equipment.
2: That is a challenge that, if taken, Texas would lose horribly.

I dont think the South is going to line up in neat lines so we can take turns firing volleys at each other this time.

A civil war now would be an extended terrorist action. I imagine going to the super market would be like going to the airport today, and going to the means of mass transit would require mandatory strip and cavity searches.

True, but that's assuming the Union decides to fight the war in the first place.

I'd honestly like to hear arguments for why Blue America shouldn't just let the Former Confederacy secede. The only reason I can think of would be for humanitarian reasons, because I don't like the idea of abandoning the poor people in those states, but we could just implement a temporary relocation initiative and offer to move people up to Blue states if they want out. The whole thing could be funded by the tax dollars we would no longer be having to blow on propping up the Red state economies.

[Greed and Death]

I dont think the South is going to line up in neat lines so we can take turns firing volleys at each other this time.

A civil war now would be an extended terrorist action. I imagine going to the super market would be like going to the airport today, and going to the means of mass transit would require mandatory strip and cavity searches.

True, but that's assuming the Union decides to fight the war in the first place.

I'd honestly like to hear arguments for why Blue America shouldn't just let the Former Confederacy secede. The only reason I can think of would be for humanitarian reasons, because I don't like the idea of abandoning the poor people in those states, but we could just implement a temporary relocation initiative and offer to move people up to Blue states if they want out. The whole thing could be funded by the tax dollars we would no longer be having to blow on propping up the Red state economies.

So we have an agreement,
The blue states take our retirees and unemployed, and retain the debt.

The red states get the military equipment of the union, since we like fancy toys more.

Sounds like a fair deal.

[Sdaeriji]

True, but that's assuming the Union decides to fight the war in the first place.

I'd honestly like to hear arguments for why Blue America shouldn't just let the Former Confederacy secede. The only reason I can think of would be for humanitarian reasons, because I don't like the idea of abandoning the poor people in those states, but we could just implement a temporary relocation initiative and offer to move people up to Blue states if they want out. The whole thing could be funded by the tax dollars we would no longer be having to blow on propping up the Red state economies.

So we have an agreement,
The blue states take our retirees and unemployed, and retain the debt.

The red states get the military equipment of the union, since we like fancy toys more.

Sounds like a fair deal.

Nope. Old people vote Republican. They go to the South. We keep Medicare, though, since Republicans hate it.

[Bottle]

True, but that's assuming the Union decides to fight the war in the first place.

I'd honestly like to hear arguments for why Blue America shouldn't just let the Former Confederacy secede. The only reason I can think of would be for humanitarian reasons, because I don't like the idea of abandoning the poor people in those states, but we could just implement a temporary relocation initiative and offer to move people up to Blue states if they want out. The whole thing could be funded by the tax dollars we would no longer be having to blow on propping up the Red state economies.

So we have an agreement,
The blue states take our retirees and unemployed, and retain the debt.

The red states get the military equipment of the union, since we like fancy toys more.

Sounds like a fair deal.

I was thinking more, everyone keeps what's in their own state, and the Union also offers to relocate anybody who wants to get out of the Confederacy before the federal umbilicus is cut. Hell, I'd even throw in an offer for the Union to pay for people who want to move to the Confederacy, because I think it would be money well spent.

[Project Atropos]

I wouldn't put too much trust in a source that counted four of those states twice. It should also be pointed out that a president that won re-election with a solid 126 EVs has a pretty solid mandate.

The electoral college is outdated and irrelevant. The majority is going to drag everyone else down with them anyway, why not make everyones' votes equal? Because of the electoral college, every state has to have at least 3 EVs, regardless of population. To get those votes, they decided to take votes away from other states instead of adding more votes. California has 10 EV less than it should, Texas 8 (i think), Ohio 3. So technically, someone's vote from, say New Hampshire, is worth more than a vote from California or Texas or Ohio. This means that if you only win the small states, you are able to win the election against the popular vote, ergo Bush's second term. Anyway, the election was closer than it looks. Romney lost the popular vote by only 3 mil, which is slightly less than a third of the population of New York city. That's not including the people that voted for third party candidates either. So honestly, only half or less likes Obama.

[Greed and Death]

So we have an agreement,
The blue states take our retirees and unemployed, and retain the debt.

The red states get the military equipment of the union, since we like fancy toys more.

Sounds like a fair deal.

I was thinking more, everyone keeps what's in their own state, and the Union also offers to relocate anybody who wants to get out of the Confederacy before the federal umbilicus is cut. Hell, I'd even throw in an offer for the Union to pay for people who want to move to the Confederacy, because I think it would be money well spent.

The confederacy will only allow those who produce a net cost to society to be moved out, and those who produce a net benefit to society to be moved in.

[Bottle]

I wouldn't put too much trust in a source that counted four of those states twice. It should also be pointed out that a president that won re-election with a solid 126 EVs has a pretty solid mandate.

The electoral college is outdated and irrelevant. The majority is going to drag everyone else down with them anyway, why not make everyones' votes equal? Because of the electoral college, every state has to have at least 3 EVs, regardless of population. To get those votes, they decided to take votes away from other states instead of adding more votes. California has 10 EV less than it should, Texas 8 (i think), Ohio 3. So technically, someone's vote from, say New Hampshire, is worth more than a vote from California or Texas or Ohio. This means that if you only win the small states, you are able to win the election against the popular vote, ergo Bush's second term. Anyway, the election was closer than it looks. Romney lost the popular vote by only 3 mil, which is slightly less than a third of the population of New York city. That's not including the people that voted for third party candidates either. So honestly, only half or less likes Obama.

As somebody who is absolutely tickled that Romney lost, I still agree that the electoral college is crap and needs to be done away with.

[Bottle]

I was thinking more, everyone keeps what's in their own state, and the Union also offers to relocate anybody who wants to get out of the Confederacy before the federal umbilicus is cut. Hell, I'd even throw in an offer for the Union to pay for people who want to move to the Confederacy, because I think it would be money well spent.

The confederacy will only allow those who produce a net cost to society to be moved out, and those who produce a net benefit to society to be moved in.

That seems like a good way to encourage smart, strong people to stop working and become a "net cost to society" in order to be allowed to leave...

[Greed and Death]

The confederacy will only allow those who produce a net cost to society to be moved out, and those who produce a net benefit to society to be moved in.

That seems like a good way to encourage smart, strong people to stop working and become a "net cost to society" in order to be allowed to leave...

How we motivate our workers who fail to meet their quotas is an internal domestic matter.

[Hurdegaryp]

That seems like a good way to encourage smart, strong people to stop working and become a "net cost to society" in order to be allowed to leave...

How we motivate our workers who fail to meet their quotas is an internal domestic matter.

That's what Stalin said!

[Reichsland]

The South would fall apart quickly for one reason, water. The North doesn't have many massive droughts where the South constantly has a drought in one place or another. Due to a lack of water they would be set back years by a simple issue. Sure they would overcome it but the second the secede they run into problems because they would have to actually grow their own food which would require water and work, both of which they are not used to and do not currently have.

Have you ever been in the South? You obviously havnt because we work hard for what we have down here, and you must be unawares sir that we farm down here. I live in TN and most other states have farms as well. Most of your entire statement is garbage. However I will concede that droughts can be a problem, but like you said, we overcome them.

[Sdaeriji]

The South would fall apart quickly for one reason, water. The North doesn't have many massive droughts where the South constantly has a drought in one place or another. Due to a lack of water they would be set back years by a simple issue. Sure they would overcome it but the second the secede they run into problems because they would have to actually grow their own food which would require water and work, both of which they are not used to and do not currently have.

Have you ever been in the South? You obviously havnt because we work hard for what we have down here, and you must be unawares sir that we farm down here. I live in TN and most other states have farms as well. Most of your entire statement is garbage. However I will concede that droughts can be a problem, but like you said, we overcome them.

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

[Greed and Death]

How we motivate our workers who fail to meet their quotas is an internal domestic matter.

That's what Stalin said!

Millions wont die though, jsut send them north after they become crippled or maimed.

[Reichsland]

If thats the case then I highly doubt it. However, where I live, the farmers around here usually get water from other southern states which are closer. Just because one state is having a drought, doesnt mean others are. I wish to make it known though that I do not support the seccesion movement. It would be a terrible idea.

[Srboslavija]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

[Reichsland]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

I agree. It should be up to the people in the state whether or not they should secede. If the seccesion did begin, it would turn violent only if the union intervened. Unless a few crazy people decided to try and attack a military base or something. Which would just be idiotic.

[The Democratic Nation of Unovia]

I am a Texan. I am a southerner. Honestly, the whole seccession thing is moronic at best. For those who say that the Constitution allows for secession, you would be wrong....The Declaration doesn't even allow for secession. This whole argument is based on one section of the Declaration which states that if the people get tired of their government, they can CHANGE it. Notice no secession. The civil war should have taught the states that the Federal Government is the supreme law of the land and that no state has the right to nullify the law of these United States. Maybe we need to do an 1864 Sherman action again (AKA Burn the south to the ground). Better yet, move all of the bothersome successionists to South Carolina...they are the ones that started this in 1832 (Nullification Crisis). Fact is, northerners run southern states.

[Reichsland]

I am a Texan. I am a southerner. Honestly, the whole seccession thing is moronic at best. For those who say that the Constitution allows for secession, you would be wrong....The Declaration doesn't even allow for secession. This whole argument is based on one section of the Declaration which states that if the people get tired of their government, they can CHANGE it. Notice no secession. The civil war should have taught the states that the Federal Government is the supreme law of the land and that no state has the right to nullify the law of these United States. Maybe we need to do an 1864 Sherman action again (AKA Burn the south to the ground). Better yet, move all of the bothersome successionists to South Carolina...they are the ones that started this in 1832 (Nullification Crisis). Fact is, northerners run southern states.

This is true. If the states did secede, they would do nothing but amplify the problems that already plague this nation. We should stay as a whole. I am from TN and i most assuredly do not approve of secession.

[Dyakovo]

You overcome them by importing water from the North. Do you believe that would still be a viable option after a violent secession?

You'll notice that it's exclusively the Unionist side who refer to the push for State secession as 'violent secession'.

Every single petition for secession calls for peaceful separation. No Unionist is being threatened - not their families, not their homes, not their land. This is people fulfilling their human right to self determination. Essentially, for freedom. There is absolutely no need for any violence.

If they were really interested in leaving peacefully they would just pack their bags and leave. Instead we have talk of secession and forcing those around them to go along because "we don't like separatists"...

[Project Atropos]

This is the biggest fucking crybaby load of nonsense that I have seen post-election, and having watched a bit of Fox News, that is saying something. Seriously, people want to secede from the Union because democracy worked exactly like it was supposed to? Because after holding the reins of power for eight years, and successfully blocking nearly every single piece of legislation that might have vaguely helped the Democrats for the past four years, the electorate finally decided "Wait, enough, you're being dicks about this"? Because the current President supports legislation that the Republicans supported about eight years ago, and not the legislation that they support today? Because people in income brackets that they will never, ever, reach in ten million years of working might have to pay a little more in taxes? Because for the next four years, they're going to have to continue blocking legislation rather than rubber-stamping whatever right-wing agenda Governor Romney and his backers had in mind?

Oh. My. God.

There is not enough "Shut the fuck up and run a decent candidate next time" in the world.

I agree, this is a bunch of bullshit, but that isn't going to happen. People always complain about politicians.Where do people think these politicians came from? They didn't fall out of the sky. They didn't pass through a membrane from another reality. They came from American parents, American homes, they had American families, went to American schools, had American jobs, and are elected by American citizens. This is the best we can do. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces. Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. And term limits aren't gonna do you any good, you're just going to end up with a new bunch of selfish and ignorant Americans. So maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here. Like the public. Yeah, "the public sucks". There's a nice campaign slogan for someone. "The public sucks, fuck hope". Fuck hope. Because if it's really just the fault of these politicians, where are all the other bright people of conscience? Where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans ready to step in and save the nation and lead the way? We don't have any people like that in this country. Everybody's at the mall, scratching his ass, picking his nose, taking his credit card out of his fanny pack to buy a new pair of sneakers with LIGHTS in them. So I have solved this little political dilemma for myself in a very simple way. On election day, I stay home. I don't vote. Fuck em, fuck em. I don't vote. For two reasons. One, it's meaningless. This country was bought and sold and paid for a LONG time ago. The shit they shuffle around every four years is just a giant circlejerk. It doesn't mean a fucking thing. Secondly, I don't vote because I believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. People like to twist that around. They say "well, if you don't vote, you have no right to complain". Well, where's the logic in that? If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent people and they get into office and screw everything up, you are responsible for what they have done. You caused the problem, you voted them in. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote; who, in fact, did not even leave the house on election day, am in no way responsible for what these people have done and have every right to complain as loud as I want about the mess you created and I had nothing to do with. So I know that soon you guys are gonna have one of those really swell presidential elections that you like so much. You'll enjoy yourselves, it'll be a lot of fun. I'm sure as soon as the election is done, your country will improve immediately. As for me, I'll be home on that day doing essentially the same thing as you. The only difference is, when I get finished masturbating, I'm going to have something to show for it. ~George Carlin

[Project Atropos]

The electoral college is outdated and irrelevant. The majority is going to drag everyone else down with them anyway, why not make everyones' votes equal? Because of the electoral college, every state has to have at least 3 EVs, regardless of population. To get those votes, they decided to take votes away from other states instead of adding more votes. California has 10 EV less than it should, Texas 8 (i think), Ohio 3. So technically, someone's vote from, say New Hampshire, is worth more than a vote from California or Texas or Ohio. This means that if you only win the small states, you are able to win the election against the popular vote, ergo Bush's second term. Anyway, the election was closer than it looks. Romney lost the popular vote by only 3 mil, which is slightly less than a third of the population of New York city. That's not including the people that voted for third party candidates either. So honestly, only half or less likes Obama.

As somebody who is absolutely tickled that Romney lost, I still agree that the electoral college is crap and needs to be done away with.

Yeah, I didn't like Romney either, but Obama isn't exactly the best thing since sliced bread. Honestly, in my opinion, we were fucked either way

[Qwanch]

Here is a statement by the GOVERNOR of MY STATE:

http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... ion_s.html