Secession Movement in the United States

[The Zeonic States]

And I say Slavery was as good as Banned with the majority of the House of Rep's being against it and the Senate adopting their attidude, The presence of Military forces preparing for war was just the straw that broke the Camel's back.

You offered no real proof also for the declaration that slavery would have never been done away with under the assumption the C.S.A was never formed, Personally? I think it was formed precisely because of the Pro Slavery movement being ground away.

By the time Abe signed that bit of paper making it illegal it was all but dead anyway

Not with the supreme court on the bench, they already reversed federal regulation that outlawed slavery in certain territories.

the 13th amendment was likely necessary to end slavery.

Hence why i said all but Dead with the Embers of slavery still burning they could not help themselves but to stomp them out.

[Repulaea]

We request that Barack Obama be impeached for the following reasons.

1. He proclaimed war in libya without getting congress approval first. Article I, Section 8- Only congress can approve to start war.

Even though this has been the story with every American conflict after the Second World War.

[The Corparation]

And look which side makes it a race issue.

Let’s Be Honest, Red States Want to Secede Because the White Guy Didn’t Win
http://www.politicususa.com/honest-republicans-secede-white-guy-win.html

Pathetic.

I couldn't make it past the third paragraph but I expect it was sprouting more of the same ignorant vitriol.

The article has a semi-valid point though. Many of the violations of rights that get cited. Like what the Texas one cites, were Bush's acts. Why did they suddenly decided to secede over laws enacted by the previous administration? Answer because their candidate lost. Its really that simple, their guy didn't win so they want out. The author does screw up by playing the race card. (Race does play into it, I have little doubt that him being a black is a factor for some of the secessionists. But I hardly think its the main or dominating one. Biggest one of course is butt-hurt)

[Tigeria]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

[Tigeria]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

[Benutanairan]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

Double post.

[Torisakia]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

Double post.

Computer hernia mate, no need to become a cop.

[Srboslavija]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

Double post.

Rather, quality post.

[Benutanairan]

Double post.

Computer hernia mate, no need to become a cop.

I said it so he couldn't delete it XD

[Zathganastan]

Im Texan and I'm all for what Texas decides, I was born in Texas, therefore I'm Texan before American.

However I'd be a little worried about Mexico if we gain Independence, the border situation could get worse.

Your not Texan your an American residing in the state of Texas, which is really something some people really need to start realizing that there is a whole country outside their random state and that you can't just decide your threw whenever your candidate doesn't win the election.Oh and also one would do well to remember that a lot of the infrastructure, utilities, and military equipment , is payed for a provided by the federal government so anything that can be moved out of state will be while be taken and everything else will either have to be bought from the US or it will likely be destroyed.

[Zephie]

What's with all the morons who think a few thousand internet signatures is suddenly a secession movement? The only notable one is Texas with 107k now, and who have by the tens of thousands voted for secession candidates.

[Tunasai]

What's with all the morons who think a few thousand internet signatures is suddenly a secession movement? The only notable one is Texas with 107k now, and who have by the tens of thousands voted for secession candidates.

No one is really trying to secede. They are making an example. States are sick of our government running the nation into the ground. Its not just Conservatives, its everybody

[Farnhamia]

And I say Slavery was as good as Banned with the majority of the House of Rep's being against it and the Senate adopting their attidude, The presence of Military forces preparing for war was just the straw that broke the Camel's back.

You offered no real proof also for the declaration that slavery would have never been done away with under the assumption the C.S.A was never formed, Personally? I think it was formed precisely because of the Pro Slavery movement being ground away.

By the time Abe signed that bit of paper making it illegal it was all but dead anyway

Hey, ASB, what was the name of the court case that was about to strike down every state law against slavery?

Lemmon v. New York

[Farnhamia]

What's with all the morons who think a few thousand internet signatures is suddenly a secession movement? The only notable one is Texas with 107k now, and who have by the tens of thousands voted for secession candidates.

No one is really trying to secede. They are making an example. States are sick of our government running the nation into the ground. Its not just Conservatives, its everybody

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

[Zephie]

No one is really trying to secede. They are making an example. States are sick of our government running the nation into the ground. Its not just Conservatives, its everybody

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

The people have a right to petition the government, the government isn't supposed to petition the goverment.
learn2constitution

[Tunasai]

No one is really trying to secede. They are making an example. States are sick of our government running the nation into the ground. Its not just Conservatives, its everybody

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

[Farnhamia]

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

The people have a right to petition the government, the government isn't supposed to petition the goverment.
learn2constitution

He said, "States are sick ..." Had he said, "People are sick ..." I would have replied differently.

[Zephie]

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

hhahaa half the country voting for the other half to feed and house them. This isn't what America was meant for.

[Tunasai]

The people have a right to petition the government, the government isn't supposed to petition the goverment.
learn2constitution

He said, "States are sick ..." Had he said, "People are sick ..." I would have replied differently.

Oh my bad

[Farnhamia]

Oh, horseshit. These are not petitions from the state governments, these are from people annoyed that Romney lost. If what you say were true, Romney would be planning his inauguration, not wondering what he's going to do with himself now.

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

Uh huh. Right. Sure, whatever you say. Funny, though, these petitions only appeared now. But hey, whatevs.

[Tunasai]

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

hhahaa half the country voting for the other half to feed and house them. This isn't what America was meant for.

What like this?

[Tunasai]

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

Uh huh. Right. Sure, whatever you say. Funny, though, these petitions only appeared now. But hey, whatevs.

They appeared now because nothing f#cking changed in the government. You just stick to your "Obama is God" ideas and I'll stick to my "The entire System is broken" logic

[Zephie]

No its people who are pissed at our d@mn government. Dont get all miltant left win, "its all the conservatives fault" on me. People as pissed at our government and they are showing it, its not post election crying, its people being pissed at everything. Our government has consistently failed, both parties, and there all tired of it. This isn't something to easily dismiss. This large of a movement hasnt happened since the Civil War.

Uh huh. Right. Sure, whatever you say. Funny, though, these petitions only appeared now. But hey, whatevs.

People in Texas have been trying to secede since the Reconstruction. I think you need to take your "I know everything" hat off now.

[Trotskylvania]

hhahaa half the country voting for the other half to feed and house them. This isn't what America was meant for.

What like this?

Uh huh. The so-called Greatest Generation was also the backbone of the New Deal coalition, likely to be active in militant industrial trade unions, and generally supportive of the establishment of a strong welfare state. So the comparison fails on the most fundamental level, because the generation that fought in WW2 was more left-wing than the current Occupy Wallstreeters.

[Farnhamia]

Uh huh. Right. Sure, whatever you say. Funny, though, these petitions only appeared now. But hey, whatevs.

They appeared now because nothing f#cking changed in the government. You just stick to your "Obama is God" ideas and I'll stick to my "The entire System is broken" logic

The way I see it, your solution to the broken system is to give up and leave. Mine is to stay and fix what needs fixing. We may disagree on what those things are - I'm sure we do - but I don't support the coward's way out.