Secession Movement in the United States

[The Klanton of the Mystic Shrine]

Your Cause being the Klan, eh?

Or Fundamentalist Christian Extremism maybe.

By FCE I guess you mean True Religion.

[Laerod]

Patently untrue. I'm so American they sent me two ballots this election. Norsklow, I believe, is British.

._. I was born in Norway and Live in America as a citizen

Srbo is talking about posting a picture a British poster posted to a forum to show secessionists what Unionist Americans think. Actually, he's probably already done it.

[JuNii]

I seem to recall when the Shrub was elected and re elected, several prominent/famous individuals swore that they would leave the country should he be president...

they're still here...

I call this sour grapes. Romney lost... the GOP lost... get over it and move on.

[Laerod]

I seem to recall when the Shrub was elected and re elected, several prominent/famous individuals swore that they would leave the country should he be president...

they're still here...

I call this sour grapes. Romney lost... the GOP lost... get over it and move on.

Dunno. I don't recall anybody getting run over by cars because Gore and Kerry lost.

[The Zeonic States]

._. I was born in Norway and Live in America as a citizen

Srbo is talking about posting a picture a British poster posted to a forum to show secessionists what Unionist Americans think. Actually, he's probably already done it.

I am fairly neutral as far as the current issue of seccession goes, the entire current reasons for leaving the United States lack the appeal of the Confederacy, I mean economic devestation and such seem like a more important and valid reason then leaving merely because of a lost election.

Not to mention i do like the sitting President some of his policies i got my issues with but i consider him superior to the man he replaced as far as political stance.

[Laerod]

Srbo is talking about posting a picture a British poster posted to a forum to show secessionists what Unionist Americans think. Actually, he's probably already done it.

I am fairly neutral as far as the current issue of seccession goes, the entire current reasons for leaving the United States lack the appeal of the Confederacy, I mean economic devestation and such seem like a more important and valid reason then leaving merely because of a lost election.

Not to mention i do like the sitting President some of his policies i got my issues with but i consider him superior to the man he replaced as far as political stance.

What's so appealing about "They'll take our slaves!"?

[Norsklow]

I am fairly neutral as far as the current issue of seccession goes, the entire current reasons for leaving the United States lack the appeal of the Confederacy, I mean economic devestation and such seem like a more important and valid reason then leaving merely because of a lost election.

Not to mention i do like the sitting President some of his policies i got my issues with but i consider him superior to the man he replaced as far as political stance.

What's so appealing about "They'll take our slaves!"?

'our'. That's the key-word.

[JuNii]

I seem to recall when the Shrub was elected and re elected, several prominent/famous individuals swore that they would leave the country should he be president...

they're still here...

I call this sour grapes. Romney lost... the GOP lost... get over it and move on.

Dunno. I don't recall anybody getting run over by cars because Gore and Kerry lost.

your point is?

did she state that she would run over her hubby if obama won? is there any proof that the hubby would NOT have voted for Obama?

I see one nut with another...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[Greed and Death]

And surrender those who don't want to leave to reactionary parochial tyranny? No thanks.

Allow those who don't want to leave the Union to move and be fully compensated (by the seceding states, not us).

What is there to compensate a change of government does not mean less property protection

[The Zeonic States]

I am fairly neutral as far as the current issue of seccession goes, the entire current reasons for leaving the United States lack the appeal of the Confederacy, I mean economic devestation and such seem like a more important and valid reason then leaving merely because of a lost election.

Not to mention i do like the sitting President some of his policies i got my issues with but i consider him superior to the man he replaced as far as political stance.

What's so appealing about "They'll take our slaves!"?

I have explained this...Nevermind.

The Union had no issue of reducing the South's economic infastrucuture, Yes as you said Slavery which was what made southern production and exporting not only possible but profitable to ruin.

Instead of say offering to buy out slaves to offer something to southern bussiness and allow them pay for employee's to replace the lost manpower of the slave labor pool, the growing disillusionment with slavery in the Senate was all but driven to outlaw the practice entirely and not offer a dime in return.

Honestly? I view that as valid ground for seccession when Your own government cares that little about utterly ruining thousands of bussiness and offering not even a simple offer to buy out slaves and instead would just pluck them away let the economic status of the south plunge into the region of what we would consider in the Modern Day third world conditions.

I have explained it better in previous posts, If you really want to see actual detailed and fully explained explainations i suggest digging around about twenty or so pages back when i last explained it, It seems the more i explain this the less of an explaination i give.

Ultimately with Abe's predoccessors Hand's off approach to the growing seccession movement he was all but allowing the Senate and congress to continue to grind the Pro slavery Movement into dust. Which is fine IF you are willing to offer something in return, It worked fairly well for the French, No massive war was fought for slavery by the french no, The government gathered funds and bought out slave holding bussiness and privately owned slaves and the economy was able to recover and continue onward with out much of a hiccup.

It's not so much that i am Pro slavery as much as i can understand the reason for distancing Yourself from a government that cares that little about You.

[Aglrinia]

If the South leaves all this socialism behind, i'm following them.

Please don't confuse a mixed economy with a socialist one. This mistake is becoming way too common in US rhetoric.

I do wish there was less regulation than what we currently have today. It's practically impossible to start a business in my home state, and I truly believe the economy would pick itself up if we had bullet trains going to every major city in the nation. But no our Congress just loves filibuster and thinks compromise is a dirty word.

[The Corparation]

Please don't confuse a mixed economy with a socialist one. This mistake is becoming way too common in US rhetoric.

I do wish there was less regulation than what we currently have today. It's practically impossible to start a business in my home state, and I truly believe the economy would pick itself up if we had bullet trains going to every major city in the nation. But no our Congress just loves filibuster and thinks compromise is a dirty word.

We really really do not have the money for bullet trains. And even if we did, I doubt they'd see the success in the US that they've seen in Japan and Europe.

[Alien Space Bats]

Who are you trying to kid?

If the South had remained in the Union and not seceded, there is absolutely no way slavery could have ever been eliminated within the U.S.

Whatever the secessionists were trying to do, it sure as fuck wasn't protecting either slavery or their "way of life".

Yes let's ignore the Senate's cooling attidude towards Slavery, Northern Forces been stationed within Sovereign Foreign Territory and of course the fact that Abe's Predoccessor had a largely hand's off issue to the seccession issue and while i cannot cite him for basically pushing war upon the South i can cite him for appointing the man who did.

Do you know anything about the Day's before the civil war?

What reaction do you expect when North Forces are stationed not only within spitting distance of the confederacy and their are reinforcing a garrision right smack dab in State which is in the process of succedding.

I believe fighting a invading Army qualifies as protecting their way of life.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I say: Had the South elected not to secede, slavery could have never been banned within the United States.

You say: FORT SUMTER!!!

<pause>

Non sequitir much?

[Aglrinia]

I do wish there was less regulation than what we currently have today. It's practically impossible to start a business in my home state, and I truly believe the economy would pick itself up if we had bullet trains going to every major city in the nation. But no our Congress just loves filibuster and thinks compromise is a dirty word.

We really really do not have the money for bullet trains. And even if we did, I doubt they'd see the success in the US that they've seen in Japan and Europe.

Believe me when I say they would pay for themselfs, even if we just did something small at first. Such as N.Y.C. to Boston, or Los Angeles to Las Vegas. Do you know what they called the Erie Canal at first? Governor Clinton's money pit. The Erie Canal proved to be a great success and helped build the cities of Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo and it helped populate the areas around the finglerlakes region.

[The Zeonic States]

Yes let's ignore the Senate's cooling attidude towards Slavery, Northern Forces been stationed within Sovereign Foreign Territory and of course the fact that Abe's Predoccessor had a largely hand's off issue to the seccession issue and while i cannot cite him for basically pushing war upon the South i can cite him for appointing the man who did.

Do you know anything about the Day's before the civil war?

What reaction do you expect when North Forces are stationed not only within spitting distance of the confederacy and their are reinforcing a garrision right smack dab in State which is in the process of succedding.

I believe fighting a invading Army qualifies as protecting their way of life.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I say: Had the South elected not to secede, slavery could have never been banned within the United States.

You say: FORT SUMTER!!!

<pause>

Non sequitir much?

And I say Slavery was as good as Banned with the majority of the House of Rep's being against it and the Senate adopting their attidude, The presence of Military forces preparing for war was just the straw that broke the Camel's back.

You offered no real proof also for the declaration that slavery would have never been done away with under the assumption the C.S.A was never formed, Personally? I think it was formed precisely because of the Pro Slavery movement being ground away.

By the time Abe signed that bit of paper making it illegal it was all but dead anyway

[Torisakia]

I live in Alabama, and if this does happen, won't hurt me a bit.

[Hatan]

Why the heck is the country arguing about splitting up? I'm a democrat living in a republican area, and I don't want every single new president to have only ideas that oppose mine! The country should stay together so that we have two parties with similar amounts of people liking each one. The economies of each side need each other to be more efficient, and the combination of the two parties give the people more choices that make since. Therefore any division in the country would be stupid, retarded, AND demented!

[The Cookish States]

Eh, I was an advocate of peaceful Texan secession even during the Bush years, so it seems like everyone is jumping on my bandwagon. But that's because I believe that the more localized a government is, the easier it is for it to cater to those it governs. I'm comfortable with the reduction of power and influence my home state would receive due to it's secession. Texas could feasibly survive, though it would have a good chunk of debt to pay and would be fairly weak militarily (materiel-rich, manpower poor)

Which leads me to my next point. Anyone who is under the impression that there would be any significant conflict between any seceding state and the Federal government is wrong. The federal government would likely deny the legality of the act, but do little to actually stop it for fear of national and foreign backlash. Attacking peaceful secessionists is a sore subject around the States and Europe, with Libya and Syria showing how quickly things can escalate.

Of course, Obama will not mention the petition, that would only stoke the flame, put the message into more ears. I suspect he will ignore it, and the petition will die down. Secession will be put to the back of everyone's mind until the distant future, if it isn't put down permanently However, I can most certainly hope that my nation becomes a state (a nation and a state are not synonymous. Dictionary. Go.)

[Aglrinia]

I live in Alabama, and if this does happen, won't hurt me a bit.

Except for the fact that Alabama's economy isn't on the rise, it's slowing and its GDP is falling - frankly you have my leave to secede from the union... >_>

[Xsyne]

I noticed this earlier today as well, on some of the secession boards and as a pettition. Thoughts?

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-request-obama-be-impeached-following-reasons/cpk4V6zK

That one's fucking hilarious. Do they really expect the President to impeach himself? He couldn't do that if he wanted to, he doesn't have the power to!

Plus number two. "This thing declared constitutional by the Supreme Court of the United States is unconstitutional"!

[Srboslavija]

And look which side makes it a race issue.

Let’s Be Honest, Red States Want to Secede Because the White Guy Didn’t Win
http://www.politicususa.com/honest-republicans-secede-white-guy-win.html

Pathetic.

I couldn't make it past the third paragraph but I expect it was sprouting more of the same ignorant vitriol.

[Xsyne]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I say: Had the South elected not to secede, slavery could have never been banned within the United States.

You say: FORT SUMTER!!!

<pause>

Non sequitir much?

And I say Slavery was as good as Banned with the majority of the House of Rep's being against it and the Senate adopting their attidude, The presence of Military forces preparing for war was just the straw that broke the Camel's back.

You offered no real proof also for the declaration that slavery would have never been done away with under the assumption the C.S.A was never formed, Personally? I think it was formed precisely because of the Pro Slavery movement being ground away.

By the time Abe signed that bit of paper making it illegal it was all but dead anyway

Hey, ASB, what was the name of the court case that was about to strike down every state law against slavery?

[Greed and Death]

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

I say: Had the South elected not to secede, slavery could have never been banned within the United States.

You say: FORT SUMTER!!!

<pause>

Non sequitir much?

And I say Slavery was as good as Banned with the majority of the House of Rep's being against it and the Senate adopting their attidude, The presence of Military forces preparing for war was just the straw that broke the Camel's back.

You offered no real proof also for the declaration that slavery would have never been done away with under the assumption the C.S.A was never formed, Personally? I think it was formed precisely because of the Pro Slavery movement being ground away.

By the time Abe signed that bit of paper making it illegal it was all but dead anyway

Not with the supreme court on the bench, they already reversed federal regulation that outlawed slavery in certain territories.

the 13th amendment was likely necessary to end slavery.

[Torisakia]

I live in Alabama, and if this does happen, won't hurt me a bit.

Except for the fact that Alabama's economy isn't on the rise, it's slowing and its GDP is falling - frankly you have my leave to secede from the union... >_>

And yet, kicks ass at football. That's all I need.

[Alien Space Bats]

Give up friend a lengthy google search has told me that no nation officially recognized the CSA as a nation.

The Duchy of Anhalt-Saxony did. They were the only nation.

The Duke was married to a Southern belle.