Secession Movement in the United States

[Laerod]

So basically your form of democracy entails fascism-by-majority - because those who did not vote for the current administration should have no say in how they should be governed - because they numbered slightly less than those who voted for the current administration.

The general sentiment that I have gathered from those in the petition is a strong feeling of "He is not my President". And it makes sense because while Obama may have edged the overall vote - in many states the other candidate collected the majority of votes, to be their President.

If they are not being represented by the person they voted for - secession is the next logic step.

Also,

disenfranchised , past tense of dis·en·fran·chise (Verb)
Verb:

Deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
Deprived of power; marginalized.

The President does not govern the US by himself. The Republicans still have a majority in the House of Representatives and over 45 Senators. Republicans make up the majority of the governors of the states and control quite a few state legislatures. No one has been disenfranchised in any sense of the word.

No, wait. I think he means that felons should secede and form their own country. It all makes sense now...

[Ruridova]

The UK never officially did anything to support the Confederacy, though they did allow their entrepreneurs to do business with them, and the English ruling class were generally pro-Confederate for strategic reasons (i.e., hinder a growing industrial rival).

They stayed on the fence for a simple reason: they didn't want to piss off what was quickly becoming the largest veteran land army in the world, that would more than happily march into Canada if the UK ever officially sided with the Confederacy. And given the logistical difficulties, the UK wouldn't have a prayer of stopping them from taking Canada. They could decimate American trade, and try to bombard coastal cities, but there simply no way to engage in a winning land war given the distance and supply difficulties.

The fact you have british Ships engaging The Navy of the Union forces of the United States seems to disagree with that.

While they did not commit the wartime navy they did commit ships and men to crew them all for the purpose of suppying the confederacy and they were crewed by english officers which were given leave to do it!

Not a declaration of war on the Union but a clear sign of support to the Confederacy and from this extensive support i cannot help but draw the conclusion that the C.S.A was recognized a legitimate Series of Nations by the English Government.

Source for any of this?

[GWACA]

Hate is what is holding the union together. Think about it.

Oh, just stop. Please.

No really, think about it.

[Norsklow]

Hate is what is holding the union together. Think about it.

Oh, just stop. Please.

We know for a fact that there are hidden weapons of mass destruction in the south.
They're hiding them in a place called Los Alamos.

[Ruridova]

Yes, but since England never gave Red China a pin, they weren't really going steady, so it doesn't count. And the US should have recognized the People's Republic of China much earlier than we did. It's not like Chiang Kai Shek was really going to invade the mainland and annihilate the Reds.

You see, as far as I'm concerned, all the British of today and their Chineser friends are communists seeking the immediate destruction of the Haven of Indiana.

Chineser? Are you required by law to put an "r" after the word Chinese in Indiana?

[Farnhamia]

The President does not govern the US by himself. The Republicans still have a majority in the House of Representatives and over 45 Senators. Republicans make up the majority of the governors of the states and control quite a few state legislatures. No one has been disenfranchised in any sense of the word.

No, wait. I think he means that felons should secede and form their own country. It all makes sense now...

Uhm ... when they get released from prison they can do what they want, I guess.

[The Zeonic States]

The fact you have british Ships engaging The Navy of the Union forces of the United States seems to disagree with that.

While they did not commit the wartime navy they did commit ships and men to crew them all for the purpose of suppying the confederacy and they were crewed by english officers which were given leave to do it!

Not a declaration of war on the Union but a clear sign of support to the Confederacy and from this extensive support i cannot help but draw the conclusion that the C.S.A was recognized a legitimate Series of Nations by the English Government.

Source for any of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

[Laerod]

The fact you have british Ships engaging The Navy of the Union forces of the United States seems to disagree with that.

Provide evidence thereof.

[Galloism]

So basically your form of democracy entails fascism-by-majority - because those who did not vote for the current administration should have no say in how they should be governed - because they numbered slightly less than those who voted for the current administration.

The general sentiment that I have gathered from those in the petition is a strong feeling of "He is not my President". And it makes sense because while Obama may have edged the overall vote - in many states the other candidate collected the majority of votes, to be their President.

If they are not being represented by the person they voted for - secession is the next logic step.

Also,

disenfranchised , past tense of dis·en·fran·chise (Verb)
Verb:

Deprive (someone) of the right to vote.
Deprived of power; marginalized.

The President does not govern the US by himself. The Republicans still have a majority in the House of Representatives and over 45 Senators. Republicans make up the majority of the governors of the states and control quite a few state legislatures. No one has been disenfranchised in any sense of the word.

I think their new platform is that, unless they have a majority of both houses and the presidency, they're disenfranchised.

You know, I love the 2nd amendment and all, you know I do, but I cringe every time I hear someone say "2nd amendment solution".

[Ruridova]

Source for any of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

Might have missed it, but not seeing any mention if the British.

[GWACA]

You see, as far as I'm concerned, all the British of today and their Chineser friends are communists seeking the immediate destruction of the Haven of Indiana.

Chineser? Are you required by law to put an "r" after the word Chinese in Indiana?

Please don't listen to him. Even if he does accurately represent the majority of Indiana.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

Might have missed it, but not seeing any mention if the British.

Officially we ran the blockade to deliver mail (With the british governments endorsement.)
NEITHER RAIN NOR SNOW NOR UNION BLOCKADE DAMMIT!
The rest were just independent actors without state endorsement.

[Laerod]

Source for any of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

Because the South lacked sufficient sailors, skippers and shipbuilding capability, the runners were built, commanded and manned by British officers and sailors. Private British investors spent perhaps £50 million on the runners ($250 million in U.S. dollars, equivalent to about $2.5 billion in 2006 dollars). The pay was high: a Royal Navy officer on leave might earn several thousand dollars (in gold) in salary and bonus per round trip, with ordinary seamen earning several hundred dollars.

Not the Royal Navy.

[Trotskylvania]

The UK never officially did anything to support the Confederacy, though they did allow their entrepreneurs to do business with them, and the English ruling class were generally pro-Confederate for strategic reasons (i.e., hinder a growing industrial rival).

They stayed on the fence for a simple reason: they didn't want to piss off what was quickly becoming the largest veteran land army in the world, that would more than happily march into Canada if the UK ever officially sided with the Confederacy. And given the logistical difficulties, the UK wouldn't have a prayer of stopping them from taking Canada. They could decimate American trade, and try to bombard coastal cities, but there simply no way to engage in a winning land war given the distance and supply difficulties.

The fact you have british Ships engaging The Navy of the Union forces of the United States seems to disagree with that.

While they did not commit the wartime navy they did commit ships and men to crew them all for the purpose of suppying the confederacy and they were crewed by english officers which were given leave to do it!

Not a declaration of war on the Union but a clear sign of support to the Confederacy and from this extensive support i cannot help but draw the conclusion that the C.S.A was recognized a legitimate Series of Nations by the English Government.

On the contrary, the only acts of belligerence committed by the forces of either government were those initiated by the United States Navy, which briefly provoked a war scare. Diplomatically, the UK never recognized the CSA, not wishing an inevitable state of war with the United States that it would provoke. They allowed blockade runners, crewed by British national, to operate, which was generally a bitchy move, but like always the British Empire is a cool customer, and seldom does something overtly stupid.

The only way the CSA would be recognized would be as a result of a negotiated peace, something that the British government hoped to mediate in.

[Norsklow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

Might have missed it, but not seeing any mention if the British.

The RN did not physically challenge the Blockade, but legally contested the validity of the existence thereof, arguing that the Blockade was insufficiently closed.
And lost the suit, btw.

[Farnhamia]

Source for any of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

British officers on leave and British sailors served in some of the blockade runners. No Royal Navy ships engaged any United States Navy ships.

[Farnhamia]

Chineser? Are you required by law to put an "r" after the word Chinese in Indiana?

Please don't listen to him. Even if he does accurately represent the majority of Indiana.

The majority of Indiana? Please.

[Laerod]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_blockade

I could have sworn i included it but here

British officers on leave and British sailors served in some of the blockade runners. No Royal Navy ships engaged any United States Navy ships.

Yes, but these were Europeans, and we all know that Europeans = Socialists, which means all private business has been nationalized, so when the wiki mentions private investors...

[The Klanton of the Mystic Shrine]

You see, as far as I'm concerned, all the British of today and their Chineser friends are communists seeking the immediate destruction of the Haven of Indiana.

Chineser? Are you required by law to put an "r" after the word Chinese in Indiana?

The Chicken-pluckers, Mennonites, Chinesers, mexicanos, and Mary-worshippers are all a grave threat to my home country of Indiana

[Augarundus]

Good.

The American Empire needs to be broken up. Preferably to individuals, but if smaller polities wish to secede, that's preferable to the hegemon dictating global policy today. If backward right-wingers want to go off and found Jesusland free of pinkos on the Coasts, let them.

[Farnhamia]

British officers on leave and British sailors served in some of the blockade runners. No Royal Navy ships engaged any United States Navy ships.

Yes, but these were Europeans, and we all know that Europeans = Socialists, which means all private business has been nationalized, so when the wiki mentions private investors...

Hmm ... good point. Socialists. Huh.

[Galloism]

Chineser? Are you required by law to put an "r" after the word Chinese in Indiana?

The Chicken-pluckers, Mennonites, Chinesers, mexicanos, and Mary-worshippers are all a grave threat to my home country of Indiana

I like this post.

[Farnhamia]

The Chicken-pluckers, Mennonites, Chinesers, mexicanos, and Mary-worshippers are all a grave threat to my home country of Indiana

I like this post.

Go make it officially awesome. Go on.

[Laerod]

I like this post.

Go make it officially awesome. Go on.

Honor thy Ex-nation?

[Galloism]

I like this post.

Go make it officially awesome. Go on.

It's funny, not awesomely funny.

I very rarely find posts that are awesome enough to meet my standards of awesome.