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Postby Euroslavia » Wed Nov 14, 2012 11:36 pm

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:03 am

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Page wrote:I have no idea why people say "I just don't want to recognize you might be different than your sex assignment at birth." If someone tells me they're a woman, I take their word for it. If someone tells me they're a man, I take their word for it. If someone tells me they're non-binary, I take their word for it. I don't say "ah, but unzip your pants so I can confirm", I don't say "but but but chromosomes", why the fuck would someone conceivably care?

Just refer to people according to their preferences, it's not asking a lot, it's asking basically nothing.


That is like someone saying that they want to be recognized as a monkey, when in fact they are still human. Just because you want to be the opposite sex doesn't make it so. I'm not going to believe that because someone went through sex reassignment surgery, that they are now suddenly male or female; when it still does not have accurate results. Any changes from the procedure is only to the external appearance.


Ah, yes, because gender dysphoria is totally similar to species dysphoria. You know, man trapped in a woman's body, rhesus monkey trapped in a man's body, what's the fucking difference?

Also, SRS doesn't magically make one a male or a female. It changes one's body to match their mind. An MtF isn't some super-macho Arnold Schwarzenegger-type guy that goes through SRS and magically turns into a super-feminine Marilyn Monroe-type girl, and vice-versa for FtMs. They have always been the gender they identify as. SRS merely brings the body into harmony with the mind.
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Postby Ahntong » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:26 am

Apparently, Uganda wants to start killing off its gay population around Christmas. At least they plan to pass that law by then which would mandate the death-penalty for "repeat offenders". It seems that 89% of Ugandans support this coming genocide.

I'm so upset right now. I wish someone would just blow that shithole of a country off the map.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:44 am

Ahntong wrote:Apparently, Uganda wants to start killing off its gay population around Christmas. At least they plan to pass that law by then which would mandate the death-penalty for "repeat offenders". It seems that 89% of Ugandans support this coming genocide.

I'm so upset right now. I wish someone would just blow that shithole of a country off the map.


An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Personally, I think that since Uganda hates its LGBT population so much, then the international community should devise some sort of system (either with or without the approval/assistance of the Ugandan government, though preferably with, as those wishing to leave would be less likely to be killed in doing so) where LGBTs there can be granted asylum in more accepting/tolerant countries. Uganda gets to remain a backwards shithole, LGBTs get to live.
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Postby Lordieth » Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:46 am

Ahntong wrote:Apparently, Uganda wants to start killing off its gay population around Christmas. At least they plan to pass that law by then which would mandate the death-penalty for "repeat offenders". It seems that 89% of Ugandans support this coming genocide.

I'm so upset right now. I wish someone would just blow that shithole of a country off the map.


As much as I share your sentiment, it's a cultural problem, and no amount of nukes is going to change that. In my view, undeveloped countries such as Uganda, and many countries in the Middle-East and Africa just aren't developed enough to become "civilised". That may be the wrong word, but it's more or less true. What countries like Uganda need is to erradicate corruption in politics, develop as a country, and modernisation will come with time. Not overnight, but you can't expect such a broken society to fix itself anytime soon. It may be decades. If not longer.
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Postby Ahntong » Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:09 am

Well, I agree with you, of course. I was just needlessly venting my anger.

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Postby Oneracon » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:13 am

Grenartia wrote:An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

Personally, I think that since Uganda hates its LGBT population so much, then the international community should devise some sort of system (either with or without the approval/assistance of the Ugandan government, though preferably with, as those wishing to leave would be less likely to be killed in doing so) where LGBTs there can be granted asylum in more accepting/tolerant countries. Uganda gets to remain a backwards shithole, LGBTs get to live.


Well Canada considers sexual orientation (in countries where certain orientations are illegal) as grounds for refugee status.

For any of you guys that may not know, our current Minister of Foreign Affairs (the Hon. John Baird) is very pro-LGBT and is looking for increased global protection of LGBT people. At the Inter-Parliamentary Union Conference, a conference of parliamentary democracies from around the world, last month in Quebec City he directed most of his remarks to the Speaker of the Ugandan Parliament and referred to countries that criminalise homosexuality as countries of "draconian punishment and unspeakable violence."

I'll admit it's welcome to see a Conservative Party politician standing up for human rights for people that aren't persecuted Christians in the Mid-East, and agree with a lot of comments that he made at the IPU and Commonwealth Summit ("We cannot be selective in which basic human rights we defend" and referring to the laws of 41 of 51 Commonwealth countries that criminalise homosexuality as "regressive and punitive")

One option that he suggested is that if these countries dislike us for being "cultural imperialists" and "imposing homosexuality" then they can get by without the millions of dollars in aid that we give them. (Not to mention the irony of calling us cultural imperialists when they're using Christianity, the ultimate tool of cultural imperialism that subjugated their indigenous culture, as part of the rationale)
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Postby Zarvarza » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:01 am

My only problem with the community is to many letters in the acronyms. First it was G, then GL, then LG then LGB, then LGBT, they they stated adding Q for queer, and Q for questioning. C for curious, I, what does that even stand for? Insecure? Seriously, its getting a bit much. Either Call yourself the Alphabet Group, or call yourselve the NS (Non Straight) group. I will stick with LGBT, as thats what I a most familiar with. But please stop adding new letters to appease everyone. Its too much to remember.
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Postby Tsuntion » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:12 am

Zarvarza wrote:My only problem with the community is to many letters in the acronyms. First it was G, then GL, then LG then LGB, then LGBT, they they stated adding Q for queer, and Q for questioning. C for curious, I, what does that even stand for? Insecure? Seriously, its getting a bit much. Either Call yourself the Alphabet Group, or call yourselve the NS (Non Straight) group. I will stick with LGBT, as thats what I a most familiar with. But please stop adding new letters to appease everyone. Its too much to remember.


The I generally stands for intersex -- someone who is born with ambiguous genitalia.

Longer acronyms include LGBTTIQQ2SAA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, intersex, queer, questioning, two-spirit, asexual, ally), by which time I think it is getting ridiculous and too much of an attempt at political correctness (well, something like it) by including every label. Trouble is, some are left out even in that -- where be the genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, pansexual, gray-a, etc. people? Since it's clearly meant to encompass everyone, the ommissions are more glaring.

That's why I usually stick to one of three: LGBTQ, since it's widely understood and the queer Q is a recognition there are more labels whilst not having to list them all or leave one out by accident, queer, since it's quick and simple (but some people are offended by it), and GSM. GSM is "gender and sexuality minorities", which includes every non-straight and non-cis label or lack thereof, is short and memorable, and cannot offend anyone.
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Postby Kingdom of West Ireland » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:19 am

The Kingdom itself supports the rights of LGBT people and we also execute to death those homophobes that who are willing to prevent the rights of the LGBT people. even myself(Queen Danielle) was a transgender(m to f) and also homophobic organizations, political parties and immigrants are banned to the enter the kingdom, if they enter the country they would be guillotined in the public
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Postby Herrebrugh » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:04 am

Kingdom of West Ireland wrote:The Kingdom itself supports the rights of LGBT people and we also execute to death those homophobes that who are willing to prevent the rights of the LGBT people. even myself(Queen Danielle) was a transgender and also homophobic organizations, political parties and immigrants are banned to the enter the kingdom, if they enter the country they would be guillotined in the public


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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:35 pm

Kept my promise to myself that I would come out during university. Everything transpired exactly as I expected: everyone has been mostly acceptive and no one has had any real problems with it.

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:36 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:Kept my promise to myself that I would come out during university. Everything transpired exactly as I expected: everyone has been mostly acceptive and no one has had any real problems with it.

:hug: congrats man
(You know I was worried you got deleted >:)
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Postby Ambibia » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:40 pm

people will eventually look back and think "how could we have let that happen" when they think of homophobia.
the same happened with black discrimination, and sooner or later islam, people just have to see change.
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Homophobia isn't a disease its stupidity at its smartes
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:52 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote: :hug: congrats man
(You know I was worried you got deleted >:)


Nice to see someone remembered me. :p

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Postby Veceria » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:53 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote: :hug: congrats man
(You know I was worried you got deleted >:)


Nice to see someone remembered me. :p

I remember you having a different flag :P
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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:55 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote: :hug: congrats man
(You know I was worried you got deleted >:)


Nice to see someone remembered me. :p

c: How could I not I liked your flag and you posted everywhere

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Postby Manahakatouki » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:59 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote: :hug: congrats man
(You know I was worried you got deleted >:)


Nice to see someone remembered me. :p


I remember you when I was just starting off in the forums...

I remember respecting you as one of the more cooler nations in NSG, I believe...
And so it was, that I had never changed.

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Postby Oneracon » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:52 pm

Same-sex marriages in Canada are up 185% since 2006 :lol:

(Though that still only makes same-sex married couples 0.3% of all cohabitating couples in Canada, still it's a good step)

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Postby Ovisterra » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:30 am

Port Charlotte wrote:Homophobia isn't a disease its stupidity at its smartes
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Postby Jormengand » Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:37 am

Oneracon wrote:Same-sex marriages in Canada are up 185% since 2006 :lol:

(Though that still only makes same-sex married couples 0.3% of all cohabitating couples in Canada, still it's a good step)


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Postby Zottistan » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:38 am

Ahntong wrote:Apparently, Uganda wants to start killing off its gay population around Christmas. At least they plan to pass that law by then which would mandate the death-penalty for "repeat offenders". It seems that 89% of Ugandans support this coming genocide.

Well that's gay.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:48 am

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Zarvarza wrote:My only problem with the community is to many letters in the acronyms. First it was G, then GL, then LG then LGB, then LGBT, they they stated adding Q for queer, and Q for questioning. C for curious, I, what does that even stand for? Insecure? Seriously, its getting a bit much. Either Call yourself the Alphabet Group, or call yourselve the NS (Non Straight) group. I will stick with LGBT, as thats what I a most familiar with. But please stop adding new letters to appease everyone. Its too much to remember.


The I generally stands for intersex -- someone who is born with ambiguous genitalia.

Longer acronyms include LGBTTIQQ2SAA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, intersex, queer, questioning, two-spirit, asexual, ally), by which time I think it is getting ridiculous and too much of an attempt at political correctness (well, something like it) by including every label. Trouble is, some are left out even in that -- where be the genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, pansexual, gray-a, etc. people? Since it's clearly meant to encompass everyone, the ommissions are more glaring.

That's why I usually stick to one of three: LGBTQ, since it's widely understood and the queer Q is a recognition there are more labels whilst not having to list them all or leave one out by accident, queer, since it's quick and simple (but some people are offended by it), and GSM. GSM is "gender and sexuality minorities", which includes every non-straight and non-cis label or lack thereof, is short and memorable, and cannot offend anyone.


As an ally, I would like to state that I don't really need to be in there. In fact, it kind of cheapens it to have me in the alphabet soup.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:29 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Tsuntion wrote:
The I generally stands for intersex -- someone who is born with ambiguous genitalia.

Longer acronyms include LGBTTIQQ2SAA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, transsexual, intersex, queer, questioning, two-spirit, asexual, ally), by which time I think it is getting ridiculous and too much of an attempt at political correctness (well, something like it) by including every label. Trouble is, some are left out even in that -- where be the genderqueer, genderfluid, bigender, pansexual, gray-a, etc. people? Since it's clearly meant to encompass everyone, the ommissions are more glaring.

That's why I usually stick to one of three: LGBTQ, since it's widely understood and the queer Q is a recognition there are more labels whilst not having to list them all or leave one out by accident, queer, since it's quick and simple (but some people are offended by it), and GSM. GSM is "gender and sexuality minorities", which includes every non-straight and non-cis label or lack thereof, is short and memorable, and cannot offend anyone.


As an ally, I would like to state that I don't really need to be in there. In fact, it kind of cheapens it to have me in the alphabet soup.


Thank you.

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