Should Canada merge with the USA?

[Rio Cana]

In what?

Handgun fatalities?

I think that award goes to Mexico. Or maybe Syria..... Or Iraq

Not America tho, or Canada.


USA is number 1 economic and political power.

Guns are outlawed in Mexico. There is only one place in the little Mexican State of Morelos near a military base that is licensed to sell guns. But it takes lots of paperwork. Most guns used in violence in Northern Mexico enter Mexico from the US.

Read this -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world ... d=all&_r=0

The Small Mexican State of Morelos in light green.

[United States of Peace]

"Says one Baghdad resident: "People wish we were still under Saddam. At least we knew what to expect"."
- anonymous Baghdad resident, quoted by Brian Turner in the National Geographic Article Baghdad After The Storm, published in the July 2011 NatGeo issue.

Thats one guy. These are whole crowds of people

Crowds > One guy

How old are you?

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Thats one guy. These are whole crowds of people

Crowds > One guy

How old are you?

Fail to see the relevance.

[Meritocratic States]

Please define mutual interests. The people would want to know.

They get liberated from the British Monarchy. They get to be part of the most powerful nation on Earth.
Instead of voting for some bootleg Prime Minister of a minor power they get to vote for the President of the United States of America, the most powerful person on the planet.

Perhaps you have heard of the term "Loyalist". Canada was that country, we have ties with the British Monarchy and we love our Governor-General. Americans who were loyal to the British Monarchy moved up here. So did your former slaves (now free and now shares equal rights). Calling our nation as a Minor power is incorrect. Canada is a middle power with a significant influence in Global Politics and Trade.

Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau loves Fidel Castro, they're best buddies and that's a fact.

[Napkiraly]

I think that award goes to Mexico. Or maybe Syria..... Or Iraq

Not America tho, or Canada.


USA is number 1 economic and political power.

Guns are outlawed in Mexico. There is only one place in the little Mexican State of Morelos near a military base that is licensed to sell guns. But it takes lots of paperwork. Most guns used in violence in Northern Mexico enter Mexico from the US.

Read this -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/25/world ... d=all&_r=0

The Small Mexican State of Morelos in light green.

Legality of guns doesn't matter. Mexico still has a lot of gun violence. Though I'm not sure on the per capita statistics.

[Ruridova]

"Says one Baghdad resident: "People wish we were still under Saddam. At least we knew what to expect"."
- anonymous Baghdad resident, quoted by Brian Turner in the National Geographic Article Baghdad After The Storm, published in the July 2011 NatGeo issue.

Thats one guy. These are whole crowds of people

Crowds > One guy

That is a lame excuse, especially considering that my source is more recent by about 8 years.

[Napkiraly]

How old are you?

Fail to see the relevance.

It has plenty of relevance, actually.

[United States of Peace]

How old are you?

Fail to see the relevance.

Just curious.

[The walkers]

They get liberated

I can't exactly see why Canada needs to be "liberated". Also, we tend to piss people off worldwide when we go off to "liberate" people who quite frequently don't want to be liberated.

You sir sound like you need some more Liberation!


Also, I love those tags "Do as I say or I will bring democracy to your country"

[Ethiopian Derg Communist Empire]

only woud work if canada went into civil war but i coud understand the US takeing a costal strip up to alaska

[Ruridova]

How old are you?

Fail to see the relevance.

Below age 25 = brain has not yet fully developed. Part of brain that handles logical thinking = last part of brain to fully developed. Thus, in theory, younger= worse arguments.

[Bordiniana]

This has to be, THE WORST idea i have ever heard, you would throw away hundreds of years of canadian land,tradition,memories, and laws, just to expand the us and reduce a little crime? I assume that last bit was your goal, Why then? Why? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!

[Ertae]

This is one of the worst ideas I've heard this year.

[Angleter]

The real title for this thread should be "Manifest Destiny: Yay or Nay?", because that's what it really boils down to

It's not really the same as manifest destiny. That doctrine had religious and racial undertones. Mine has neither.

You claim that one of the benefits for Canadians would be that they'd "finally be US citizens," and when rebuffed are incredulous that "we want to share a nation with you and you say 'go to hell'". It's fairly clear that, to you, being a US citizen and part of the American nation is axiomatically a wonderful thing that everyone should want, and that you can't see any reason why the Canadians would want to retain their inferior country and provinces instead of embracing the joys of being American.

[Ruridova]

I can't exactly see why Canada needs to be "liberated". Also, we tend to piss people off worldwide when we go off to "liberate" people who quite frequently don't want to be liberated.

You sir sound like you need some more Liberation!


Also, I love those tags "Do as I say or I will bring democracy to your country"

Come and try. My state's gun laws are probably laxest in the country.

[Rio Cana]

Legality of guns doesn't matter. Mexico still has a lot of gun violence. Though I'm not sure on the per capita statistics.

I do know that per capita of population that the US Virgin Islands and the US commonwealth of Puerto Rico beat Mexico. Both are Caribbean islands which do not manufacture weapons.They also have tough gun laws. Most weapons are illegally smuggled from the US.

[Oneracon]

You claim that one of the benefits for Canadians would be that they'd "finally be US citizens,"

Oh dear god no! I like travelling to Europe.

[New Rogernomics]

Canada doesn't want to be part of the US, and America isn't the America off Fallout so it wont invade Canada nor have reason to.

[The walkers]

You sir sound like you need some more Liberation!


Also, I love those tags "Do as I say or I will bring democracy to your country"

Come and try. My state's gun laws are probably laxest in the country.

I was joking, I am also in a state with lax gun laws. Modern Day politics have taken many positive words and twisted them into their own less then positive designs

Good one is the Patriot Act. I mean WHO votes against something named the Patriot Act?! Just imagine during your next re-election someone airs the add "He voted against the Patriot Act the communist!" they would do it too, and people would believe it.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Fail to see the relevance.

Below age 25 = brain has not yet fully developed. Part of brain that handles logical thinking = last part of brain to fully developed. Thus, in theory, younger= worse arguments.

As if they're aren't stupid old people. Look at Donald Trump. Age doesn't equal wisdom
I'm old enough to vote, thats all I'm saying

[Trolling Hajj]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

It's not really the same as manifest destiny. That doctrine had religious and racial undertones. Mine has neither.

You claim that one of the benefits for Canadians would be that they'd "finally be US citizens," and when rebuffed are incredulous that "we want to share a nation with you and you say 'go to hell'". It's fairly clear that, to you, being a US citizen and part of the American nation is axiomatically a wonderful thing that everyone should want, and that you can't see any reason why the Canadians would want to retain their inferior country and provinces instead of embracing the joys of being American.

Pretty much. Not sure if thats the same as Manifest Destiny tho.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

[Oneracon]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

And I can assure you that I would fight against that until I breathe my last.

[The walkers]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

Managing a country of that size without the "common man" being forgotten or being a heel rest is virtually impossible.

Also the U.S. goes through unemployment a lot, provided our politicians don't majorly screw up(which seems to be a favorite past time) the economy will fix itself. The world is always changing.