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Postby Ublia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:35 pm

Divair wrote:
Ublia wrote:
:rofl: You must be stoned to think we're similar!

No, just ignorant. Like anyone who would support such an insane plan.


Oh it's so sad when someone says Canada and the USA are alike thats like saying day and night are the same! God these Americans I laugh every time.
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Postby Charellia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:36 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
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Most of us speak English but most of Quebec is French and if you know anything about Canadian history that will never ever change.


A quarter of Chicago and new york speak German and French ._. It has yet to change but it also has not interfered greatly with them living among other language speakers.

Heck there is a fellow down just four blocks from that speaks russian, Language would not be a massive barrier.

Of course there might be issues if they also don't understand or speak english...But cross that bridge when it comes to it.

You clearly don't understand the situation in Quebec. They refuse to learn English. It is illegal to post a sign in English unless the French part is larger. It took a constitutional provision protecting their right not to speak English just to keep them from seceding.

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Postby The walkers » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Avenio wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:But it will no longer be "you" and "us". We'll all just be Americans and you guys will have the same vote as everyone else. Whats wrong with that?


Why would we trade our sovereignty for a tiny number of congressmen in an enormous nation?

Because then you will get to have the Tea Party in your lands too! :lol2: and our native american cultures can all unite against us

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Postby Zathganastan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:36 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Why shouldn't the United States be absorbed by China, and provide the Chinese with resources? There are more people in China, after all.


The Chinese government is corrupt and totalitarian. The only people to benefit would be the Communist elite. Nice try tho.

With the exception of Communism the same could be said about what you plan for Canada and the US.Canada doesn't benefit from any of the things you've suggested as begin a superpower means nothing on the world stage when your politically and socially moving backwards.Oh and by the way China isn't communist no country is.
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Ublia wrote:
Divair wrote:No, just ignorant. Like anyone who would support such an insane plan.


Oh it's so sad when someone says Canada and the USA are alike thats like saying day and night are the same! God these Americans I laugh every time.

Hey, whoa, we're not all idiots.
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Postby The walkers » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Ublia wrote:
Divair wrote:No, just ignorant. Like anyone who would support such an insane plan.


Oh it's so sad when someone says Canada and the USA are alike thats like saying day and night are the same! God these Americans I laugh every time.

As an American I agree with you, I have also been to Canada as well and I agree, they are trying to get us to combine with Mexico too because our cultures are so similar!

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

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Postby Ublia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:37 pm

Zathganastan wrote:
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The Chinese government is corrupt and totalitarian. The only people to benefit would be the Communist elite. Nice try tho.

With the exception of Communism the same could be said about what you plan for Canada and the US.Oh and by the way China isn't communist no country is.


Well North Korea would say otherwise (though in my own opinon they just went insane and are more Fascist then anything now).
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Postby Osaea » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:38 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Why shouldn't the United States be absorbed by China, and provide the Chinese with resources? There are more people in China, after all.


The Chinese government is corrupt and totalitarian. The only people to benefit would be the Communist elite. Nice try tho.


The United States government is corrupt due to the long tradition of appointing highest bureaucratic officials of individual departments (say, Financial regulation) from corporate bureaucries most successful at gaming the system (for example, Goldman Sachs) for higher profits that can be made by abiding by the law. A similar problem exists in some of Canadian government, to a lesser extent. The only people who would benefit are the capitalist elites who owe their positions to their notoriety for flagrantly violating the laws they enforce.

Nice try though.

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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:38 pm

Ublia wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:With the exception of Communism the same could be said about what you plan for Canada and the US.Oh and by the way China isn't communist no country is.


Well North Korea would say otherwise (though in my own opinon they just went insane and are more Fascist then anything now).

North Korea never even called itself communist. It called itself Juche.

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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Why shouldn't the United States be absorbed by China, and provide the Chinese with resources? There are more people in China, after all.


The Chinese government is corrupt and totalitarian. The only people to benefit would be the Communist elite. Nice try tho.


Okay... Hypothetically, if China were a bastion of human rights and democracy, should America then be absorbed by China on this principle of utilitarianism?
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Saruhan wrote:And how Quebec has annexed all of the Maritimes, which would mean that the majority of Quebec would be Anglophone :lol:


What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.
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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.

No.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:39 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.

You really are hilarious.
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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:40 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.

You really are hilarious.

It's more sad than funny.

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Postby Meritocratic States » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:41 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.


Once again, No.

Just no.
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Postby Ublia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:41 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.


I HATE YOU!!!!!!! WE ARE FREE AND DON'T YOU DARE SCREW AROUND WITH OUR NAMES IT'D BE LIKE RENAMING TEXAS MEXICO II OR WASHINGTON KING GEORGE III TOWN! OH HOW I NOW AGREE WITH VARSAL ON SO MANY THINGS! AS A CANADIAN I WILL SAY THIS %&*# U.
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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
What always baffles me about these annexation plans is why they never call for all of the provinces to just be let in as individual states - they'd all qualify on the basis of population in their own right, even PEI.

Instead there's always an attempt to come up with some zany plan that pays absolutely no attention to actual Canadian geography, politics, or tradition.


I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.

No, and stop already, you're making us look like imperialist bastards, which is something many people in other countries already think of us as and a stereotype we should be trying to combat, not encouraging!
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Chinese government is corrupt and totalitarian. The only people to benefit would be the Communist elite. Nice try tho.


Okay... Hypothetically, if China were a bastion of human rights and democracy, should America then be absorbed by China on this principle of utilitarianism?


Perhaps. But this is irrelevent because I could just as easily say that in such a hypothetical world the US has a higher population than China. As I've said many times, I'm a realist and thus prefer to focus on the world as it actually is.
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Postby Oneracon » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:42 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:I paid attention to Canadian geography. Just renamed a few things to reflect a change in political reality.
EX: British Columbia becomes American Columbia.

Also we shall rename Prince Edward Island to George Washington Island. Or as a compromise: Abraham Lincoln Island.

You really are hilarious.


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Postby Ruridova » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:43 pm

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Saruhan wrote:Un moment

Alright.

Godamnit, I was just reading about it yesterday. But I can't find my source so i'll have to concede
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:No, because you'll probably end up trying to kill us in tn the end


No we wont. The whole reason behind this plan is that Americans and Canadians are so similar and thus should be one country. And this would be beneficial to the majority of this "NEW" America, because we now have access to all those neat resources that used to belong to just Canada but now belong to all of us.


I'm doing the whole continent a favor with this plan.


You think we are similar? :eek:
And what country do you live in?


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Postby Vestr-Norig » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:44 pm

The times for great empires is past, it would be a step backwards and in the wrong direction. History has showed that large empires (which the USA together with Canada would be) always falls anyway. Local and national (on a small level) self-determination and democracy is the future, and, if anything, the US as well as Canada should be more divided, with regions such as Quebec and the South of the US getting independence.
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Postby Zathganastan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:45 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Okay... Hypothetically, if China were a bastion of human rights and democracy, should America then be absorbed by China on this principle of utilitarianism?


Perhaps. But this is irrelevent because I could just as easily say that in such a hypothetical world the US has a higher population than China. As I've said many times, I'm a realist and thus prefer to focus on the world as it actually is.

Then why can you not understand that Canada neither benefits from joining the United States nor do they achieve anything other then becoming a colony to a larger nation.
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