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Postby Ublia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Saruhan wrote:
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I hope not. Now I'm a Socialist so I'd vote liberal or NDP which ever one is acting more Socialist trust me the roles do reverse and the NDP is sort of centrist now....

why don't you vote Marxist-Leninist then? They're not really Communist, might be your cup of tea


Here's the thing here in my province there is no communist ticket. I think now all they have is some holdouts in Quebec and Ontario. Though i like the platform but at the same time I am a devouted Christian for the most part.....
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Postby Divair » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Ublia wrote:
I hope not. Now I'm a Socialist so I'd vote liberal or NDP which ever one is acting more Socialist trust me the roles do reverse and the NDP is sort of centrist now....

why don't you vote Marxist-Leninist then? They're not really Communist, might be your cup of tea

Even if the NDP ended up centrist (doubt it and hope it doesn't happen), it is still most likely to beat Harper in 2015. Worth voting for them just on that basis.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Ublia wrote:
I hope not. Now I'm a Socialist so I'd vote liberal or NDP which ever one is acting more Socialist trust me the roles do reverse and the NDP is sort of centrist now....

why don't you vote Marxist-Leninist then? They're not really Communist, might be your cup of tea

Don't listen. They're republicans, and therefore just as bad as the yanks.
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Postby Osaea » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

North America and the Great Lakes wrote:Stop this petty argument. We need an AU, similar to the EU, and it would solve problems for North America, but we can never abolish our countries all together. We are too different, all too proud of our respective nations to ever be one.


Given how enormously unpopular NAFTA itself is in the US, and the extremely controversial legacy of the Organization of American States, I'm pretty sure no one "needs" and very few people "want" an American Union.

Russia and Belarus can't even agree on their Union, despite already having integrated military commands, deeply connected economies, and having been the same country 20 years ago. You'll have enough trouble having the whole United States, by itself, to agree to be part of an American Union consisting of nothing but that one country. Several months in the legislature, at best.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

North California wrote:
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America is the greatest nation on Earth, and we seek for Canada to join us. This is the greatest gift anyone has ever offered them. It is the same gift that the Romans gave Europe, and the same gift that the Ottomans gave the Middle East. It is the gift of greatness. And Canada would do well to accept.



1. THERE IS NO GREATEST NATION ON EARTH

2. America is a country that is born out of Revolution and the desire for Independence and freedom. Let's not betray those values.

We need to uphold the values upon which America was founded by letting Canadians have self-determination and decide for themselves. America was created out of the common desire among the people for freedom. Let's not take away the freedom and independence of other people.

America is for the Americans
Canada is for the Canadians

But Pakistan is for the Indians.

We're clear on this, right? :p
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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:11 pm

North California wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
America is the greatest nation on Earth, and we seek for Canada to join us. This is the greatest gift anyone has ever offered them. It is the same gift that the Romans gave Europe, and the same gift that the Ottomans gave the Middle East. It is the gift of greatness. And Canada would do well to accept.



1. THERE IS NO GREATEST NATION ON EARTH

2. America is a country that is born out of Revolution and the desire for Independence and freedom. Let's not betray those values.

We need to uphold the values upon which America was founded by letting Canadians have self-determination and decide for themselves. America was created out of the common desire among the people for freedom. Let's not take away the freedom and independence of other people.

America is for the Americans
Canada is for the Canadians


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Postby North California » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm

North America and the Great Lakes wrote:Stop this petty argument. We need an AU, similar to the EU, and it would solve problems for North America, but we can never abolish our countries all together. We are too different, all too proud of our respective nations to ever be one.



North American Union?

Let's not and say we did.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm

Should Canada be under American rule or should the USA be under Canadian rule?
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Saruhan wrote:why don't you vote Marxist-Leninist then? They're not really Communist, might be your cup of tea

Don't listen. They're republicans, and therefore just as bad as the yanks.

I know, but I also know they're never get more then .5% of the vote, and better then have someone vote for anyone tied to the Bloc
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Postby Thurask » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:12 pm

Ublia wrote:I hope not. Now I'm a Socialist so I'd vote liberal or NDP which ever one is acting more Socialist trust me the roles do reverse and the NDP is sort of centrist now....


It's doubtful that we'd see a socialist Liberal Party.
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Postby North America and the Great Lakes » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

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Wow, with a GDP of $ 15 Trillion and the strongest military on the planet, we must be one hell of a corpse!

To which China and India are catching up very fast, and the US is growing at a much slower rate


I'd like to point out China has a growing housing bubble and literal modern ghost towns, entire towns built for people that never came. China could very well follow the same path as Bush-era America to reccession.
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Postby Huntertopia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

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Huntertopia wrote: :eyebrow: Go home, Texan, you're drunk.



I am not drunk whoever you are. Before you attack me personally, attack me with facts. A United states of North America would benefit all residents of America and Canada. Both nations would gain a new lease on life. We are brothers, not sniping cousins.

1. Judging on how the United States generally acts when it comes to foreigners, it would probably bully Canada, not give it equal power if the two merge, and take a superior role over Canada, and Canadians won't put up with that shit.

2. According to the Guardian, the U.S.'s debt as of October 2012 is above $16 trillion. Canada's debt, occording to DaveManuel.com, Canada's national debt is just a little under $600 billion. Merging the two nations will lead to increase in the national debt of both nations and greatly increase debt every American and Canadian already owes.

3. The idea is simply prepostuous. We'd have to tackle things like what kinda government we would have, the intergration of the Canadian military into the American military or vice versa, the currency, et cetera. There are too many issues, and the hassle is larger than the worth of saying we own Canada.

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Postby Suzitopia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

This sounds like a decent idea, but I doubt that the Canadians will like it. Or the Americans, if you choose to look at it that way. Would Canada become part of America or vice versa? What flag would we have? What would the currency be? It would be nice, but one country would disappear from the face of the Earth for forever, and that better not be the USA!

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Postby Charellia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Divair wrote:Yes. Nationalists view their nation as above others. Patriots are just proud of their nation.


You can't be proud of your nation if it isn't above all others. Otherwise what is their to be proud of?

As a Canadian I am proud of my nation because of our commitment to self improvement rather than because we are better than everybody else which I am not arrogant enough to assume we are.

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

Divair wrote:
Saruhan wrote:why don't you vote Marxist-Leninist then? They're not really Communist, might be your cup of tea

Even if the NDP ended up centrist (doubt it and hope it doesn't happen), it is still most likely to beat Harper in 2015. Worth voting for them just on that basis.

I feel betrayed by the NDP to be honest, they were so good under Jack, but now they're led by a separatist sympathizer and want to completely fuck over most of the country that' not Ontario or Quebec
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Postby Zathganastan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:Should Canada be under American rule or should the USA be under Canadian rule?

I have the prefect solution, America remains American and Canada remains Canadian.
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Postby North California » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:13 pm

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North California wrote:

1. THERE IS NO GREATEST NATION ON EARTH

2. America is a country that is born out of Revolution and the desire for Independence and freedom. Let's not betray those values.

We need to uphold the values upon which America was founded by letting Canadians have self-determination and decide for themselves. America was created out of the common desire among the people for freedom. Let's not take away the freedom and independence of other people.

America is for the Americans
Canada is for the Canadians

But Pakistan is for the Indians.

We're clear on this, right? :p




Uh...I'd rather not get involved.
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Postby Goodclark » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:14 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
America is the greatest nation on Earth, and we seek for Canada to join us. This is the greatest gift anyone has ever offered them. It is the same gift that the Romans gave Europe, and the same gift that the Ottomans gave the Middle East. It is the gift of greatness. And Canada would do well to accept.

No your not, Never have been, never will be. There is no Greatest Nation of Earth.

Anyway i would not see any need for Canada to abandon their national sovereignty, their way of life, their culture, ideas, and everything else to join the united states. It would not be beneficial to them, only to America, and even then not by a lot.

Being the "Greatest nation on earth" is an opinion. I can say Luxembourg is the best place to be right now, doesn't make it true.
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Postby Ile Tobi » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:14 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
North California wrote:

Is America the best nation is the world? No.
Is there a best nation in the world? No?
Am I very proud of my country? Yes.
Am I ashamed of some of the bad things? Yes.


America is my home. However, just because you are proud of your home, doesn't mean you should go take over other people's homes.


America is the greatest nation on Earth, and we seek for Canada to join us. This is the greatest gift anyone has ever offered them. It is the same gift that the Romans gave Europe, and the same gift that the Ottomans gave the Middle East. It is the gift of greatness. And Canada would do well to accept.


I find it ironic you use extinct nations as examples.

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Postby Nationalist Eminral Republic » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:14 pm

The reason why crazy Americans want Canada is because of OIL and WATER
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:14 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:Partition Plan

So what does NS think?


I am particularly amused at the fact that almost all of Labrador is in 'Quebec', and most of Quebec is in 'Labrador'.

I don't think that partition plan is designed to reassure Canadians that US citizens know much about Canadian geography.

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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:15 pm

Chinese Regions wrote:Should Canada be under American rule or should the USA be under Canadian rule?


Canada would be under American rule. Since we are bigger and the superpower. But it's mutually beneficial because we'll let them have the vote.
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Postby Osaea » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:15 pm

North California wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:But Pakistan is for the Indians.

We're clear on this, right? :p




Uh...I'd rather not get involved.


East Pakistan ended up being for the East Pakistanis. It just took a few decades, a horrific civil war, and a little push from the Indian Armed Forces.

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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:16 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:Partition Plan

So what does NS think?


I am particularly amused at the fact that almost all of Labrador is in 'Quebec', and most of Quebec is in 'Labrador'.

I don't think that partition plan is designed to reassure Canadians that US citizens know much about Canadian geography.

And how Quebec has annexed all of the Maritimes, which would mean that the majority of Quebec would be Anglophone :lol:
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:16 pm

Goodclark wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:No your not, Never have been, never will be. There is no Greatest Nation of Earth.

Anyway i would not see any need for Canada to abandon their national sovereignty, their way of life, their culture, ideas, and everything else to join the united states. It would not be beneficial to them, only to America, and even then not by a lot.

Being the "Greatest nation on earth" is an opinion. I can say Luxembourg is the best place to be right now, doesn't make it true.

My vote goes to Liechtenstein.
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