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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:14 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Sailsia wrote:Wait, I like how OP doesn't even understand that Canada is already divided into provinces, and yet thinks it would be a good idea to take Canada, and, as he says, take their resources.

Protip: the U.S. isn't the best country in the world, and it certainly isn't better than Canada. If anything, they should take us over.


"Take over" has such negative connotations. I prefer "merger"
After all, it's mutually beneficial to both sides.

It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations
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Postby Marcurix » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:15 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I've left Alberta plenty, and our last election, our conservatives slid over a lot in terms of position, but look at the Klein-era of cutting almost all social programs and they have to go to these gay pride events because if they don't our public gets mad as heck.


And what does that tell you? Even after all those cuts Alberta has the public healthcare option, along with other such programs it doesn't have to have. But it does. According to you the people of the province will be angry if they so called "uber conservatives" don't acknowledge and support such civil rights are those whom are homosexual, including marriage.

Alberta would be far more likely to vote Democrat then Republican if any such union took place.
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:16 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
"Take over" has such negative connotations. I prefer "merger"
After all, it's mutually beneficial to both sides.

It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations


I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.
You get to be a part of the US, and vote in our elections. This immediately gives you more political power than like 93 % of the world that isn't America
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:16 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations


I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.

No you haven't, post them again then
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Suicune » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:16 pm

Horrible idea.
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Postby Meritocratic States » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations


I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.


Well, here's your chance, LIST THEM.
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:17 pm

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Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.

No you haven't, post them again then


Just did. Look up
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:18 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.

No you haven't, post them again then

The ones in the OP were, America gets Canadian natural resources and Canada gets to participate in American politics instead of just watching. Sounds fair to me.
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Postby Meritocratic States » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:18 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:No you haven't, post them again then


Just did. Look up


IT'S JUST THE SAME POLITICAL BULLSHIT.

What about the economy? How would a "merger", as you would describe it, would benefit us Canadians?
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Postby Tuthina » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:19 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations


I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.
You get to be a part of the US, and vote in our elections. This immediately gives you more political power than like 93 % of the world that isn't America

One would think 44 pages of "no" is enough to show that few, if any, Canadians want to vote in your elections or be part of the USA.

Also, no.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:It's not, you've never shown a way it benefits anyone but US corporations


I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.
You get to be a part of the US, and vote in our elections. This immediately gives you more political power than like 93 % of the world that isn't America


We don't care about being part of the US or voting in your outrageously corporatized elections. We don't want or need your political power. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Marcurix wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:I've left Alberta plenty, and our last election, our conservatives slid over a lot in terms of position, but look at the Klein-era of cutting almost all social programs and they have to go to these gay pride events because if they don't our public gets mad as heck.


And what does that tell you? Even after all those cuts Alberta has the public healthcare option, along with other such programs it doesn't have to have. But it does. According to you the people of the province will be angry if they so called "uber conservatives" don't acknowledge and support such civil rights are those whom are homosexual, including marriage.

Alberta would be far more likely to vote Democrat then Republican if any such union took place.

Canada Health Act makes sure we have public care, and same sex marriage is mandated by our national gov.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Lancaster of Wessex wrote:
Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
I have. I could list them again but why bother. You know it by now.
You get to be a part of the US, and vote in our elections. This immediately gives you more political power than like 93 % of the world that isn't America


We don't care about being part of the US or voting in your outrageously corporatized elections. We don't want or need your political power. Why is that so hard to understand?

^this and American politics are crap.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:21 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Saruhan wrote:No you haven't, post them again then

The ones in the OP were, America gets Canadian natural resources and Canada gets to participate in American politics instead of just watching. Sounds fair to me.

With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Lambrinisia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:21 pm

OP. What benefits would there be for Canada joining the #1 exporter of Unadulterated Bullshit? (Hey look! The USA is #1 at something!) Why should they lose their truly democratic process, their universal healthcare, lower tax rates, their liberal progressive ways (gay marriage and the like) and many other benefits to join a deeply flawed two-party corporationist, Imperialist political system?

I can't think of anything worse than the biggest benefit being to voting for one of two presidents picked by corporations, unless the biggest benefit was for voting for a bloody moron like you.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:21 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The ones in the OP were, America gets Canadian natural resources and Canada gets to participate in American politics instead of just watching. Sounds fair to me.

With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair

And we lose our healthcare, one of the things we treasure here.
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Postby Saruhan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:23 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Saruhan wrote:With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair

And we lose our healthcare, one of the things we treasure here.

But hey! With the lax laws they won't notice a huge increase in the importation of Chlorine, so it balances out for the Partisans
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Trolling Hajj » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:25 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Saruhan wrote:With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair

And we lose our healthcare, one of the things we treasure here.



I believe in and love Universalized healthcare and if that wasn't one of the hallmarks of a merger, I would oppose it on all bloody counts. This texan's heart can't allow himself to see people suffer because of a lack of healthcare.

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Postby Lambrinisia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:28 pm

Trolling Hajj wrote:
Soviet Canuckistan wrote:And we lose our healthcare, one of the things we treasure here.



I believe in and love Universalized healthcare and if that wasn't one of the hallmarks of a merger, I would oppose it on all bloody counts. This texan's heart can't allow himself to see people suffer because of a lack of healthcare.


Then how can you allow yourself to approve of your country?
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:29 pm

Lambrinisia wrote:OP. What benefits would there be for Canada joining the #1 exporter of Unadulterated Bullshit?


Is this meant to be an objective statement? Because I don't think we currently have statistical figures on Bullshit exports. Your free to check tho.
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Postby Marcurix » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Soviet Canuckistan wrote:
Marcurix wrote:
And what does that tell you? Even after all those cuts Alberta has the public healthcare option, along with other such programs it doesn't have to have. But it does. According to you the people of the province will be angry if they so called "uber conservatives" don't acknowledge and support such civil rights are those whom are homosexual, including marriage.

Alberta would be far more likely to vote Democrat then Republican if any such union took place.

Canada Health Act makes sure we have public care, and same sex marriage is mandated by our national gov.


Healthcare is a provincial power. Alberta is part of the Canada Health Act because it chooses to be, the act itself does not prevent private healthcare, only stipulates the conditions for funding from the Federal government.

and same sex marriage is mandated by our national gov.

which Alberta hasn't opposed. There wasn't exactly mass protests in the streets when the law was passed.
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Postby Greater Nilfgaard » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The ones in the OP were, America gets Canadian natural resources and Canada gets to participate in American politics instead of just watching. Sounds fair to me.

With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair


Nowhere in my revolutionary and visionary partition plan, do I call for Canadians to lose their rights or education. Nor will they be inheriting a worse political system.
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Postby Soviet Canuckistan » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Lambrinisia wrote:OP. What benefits would there be for Canada joining the #1 exporter of Unadulterated Bullshit?


Is this meant to be an objective statement? Because I don't think we currently have statistical figures on Bullshit exports. Your free to check tho.

America is actually 4th in number of cows, so 4th in unadulterated bullshit, depends on how much they export though, but the positions are probably close.

Source:http://micpohling.wordpress.com/2007/04/08/world-top-15-country-on-highest-number-of-cattle/
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Postby Lambrinisia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:32 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Lambrinisia wrote:OP. What benefits would there be for Canada joining the #1 exporter of Unadulterated Bullshit?


Is this meant to be an objective statement? Because I don't think we currently have statistical figures on Bullshit exports. Your free to check tho.


Well you're spouting it here. And what about my Q on losing the truly democratic process, liberal progress like gay marriage, universal healthcare and lower taxation? Oh, and a far lower national debt?
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:33 pm

Greater Nilfgaard wrote:
Saruhan wrote:With 34 million people? We would have no voice whatsoever, in exchange we get limited rights and a worst educational system, a worse political system as well. We get to see our environment laws overturned and our resources exploited. Hardly fair


Nowhere in my revolutionary and visionary partition plan, do I call for Canadians to lose their rights or education. Nor will they be inheriting a worse political system.


Is that a joke? B/c if so, it's HILARIOUS.
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