Should Canada merge with the USA?

[Ostroeuropa]

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

Canada can trade with europe if it wants.
It has natural resources.

[The walkers]

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

Well we are going to have a dollar collapse regardless, but heres the funny thing about the economy. It always fixes itself, learning economics is almost like learning human nature it gets beat up a lot but it always goes back up. All you need to learn is how to survive in a world that is constantly changing.

[Saruhan]

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

Canada can trade with europe if it wants.
It has natural resources.

China and the BRICS will always need shit

[Americanada]

We are confused. Why are there so many regionalists on this thread? We thought this issue was settled years ago.

[Saruhan]

We are confused. Why are there so many regionalists on this thread? We thought this issue was settled years ago.

Knock the bullshit act off

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Umm. NO. My way makes much more sense.

No, it doesn't; Canada is vastly different from the US and by bringing them into the US before we've got our act together in terms of healthcare and other things we're going to actively curtail their political freedom and drag down their standard of living. By bringing the most progressive parts of the US into Canada we can avoid a fair amount of the cultural dissonance that would occur from having Toronto and rural Alabama under one roof, and the initial startup costs of getting a Canadian social safety net up and running in the newly incorporated areas can be at least partially offset by the wealth generated in these areas.

I second this, you can join Canada, Canada won't join you. Also, the west coast might do better as a new nation of Cascadia, combined with our BC, YK and maybe AB

[The walkers]

They've been lobbying for it for years and will keep doing so for many years until it gets done or someone completely smashes all of their idealistic hopes of all the Americas standing together holding hands.

The economic realities of today will ensure that will never happen

I hope so, but history has shown that people frequently choose to deny reality in following their ideals.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, it doesn't; Canada is vastly different from the US and by bringing them into the US before we've got our act together in terms of healthcare and other things we're going to actively curtail their political freedom and drag down their standard of living. By bringing the most progressive parts of the US into Canada we can avoid a fair amount of the cultural dissonance that would occur from having Toronto and rural Alabama under one roof, and the initial startup costs of getting a Canadian social safety net up and running in the newly incorporated areas can be at least partially offset by the wealth generated in these areas.

I second this, you can join Canada, Canada won't join you. Also, the west coast might do better as a new nation of Cascadia, combined with our BC, YK and maybe AB

Gif Britain statehood in new union

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

Perhaps thats better. We won't over analyze the situation.

1). I assume you are a Republican when you vote.
2). Your thinking strategy is brilliant. "Why think and analyze, muddling things up with 'facts' will just get in the way of things." FOX News should be knocking on your door any moment.

[Trolling Hajj]

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

We're in a better position in this recession than the states, just ask the new head of the IMF.

For now you are, yes. But let's say we double dip and crash, then forget about Canada's rosy estimates for growth for the next three years, you would crash right along with us. Remember that the 2007 crash was more influenced by risky real estate securities, a second crash though would be far more complex and have interweaving elements of currency, banking, and inflation issues. And that would infect the world.

[Meritocratic States]

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

It's not arrogance, it's just plain facts. US and Canada will NOT be joining into a huge nation. It will never happen. Even the politicians from both sides agree on this.

[Saruhan]

We're in a better position in this recession than the states, just ask the new head of the IMF.

For now you are, yes. But let's say we double dip and crash, then forget about Canada's rosy estimates for growth for the next three years, you would crash right along with us. Remember that the 2007 crash was more influenced by risky real estate securities, a second crash though would be far more complex and have interweaving elements of currency, banking, and inflation issues. And that would infect the world.

But even when you were at your lowest we were doing fine, I see no reason that suddenly we would act fucking stupid

[Ostroeuropa]

We're in a better position in this recession than the states, just ask the new head of the IMF.

For now you are, yes. But let's say we double dip and crash, then forget about Canada's rosy estimates for growth for the next three years, you would crash right along with us. Remember that the 2007 crash was more influenced by risky real estate securities, a second crash though would be far more complex and have interweaving elements of currency, banking, and inflation issues. And that would infect the world.

You seem to be under the impression this only works one way. That's great.
Price of globalism. 10% of your economy tanks if Britain tanks. Around 6% if Canada tanks, and the domino effect goes from there

[Soviet Canuckistan]

We're in a better position in this recession than the states, just ask the new head of the IMF.

For now you are, yes. But let's say we double dip and crash, then forget about Canada's rosy estimates for growth for the next three years, you would crash right along with us. Remember that the 2007 crash was more influenced by risky real estate securities, a second crash though would be far more complex and have interweaving elements of currency, banking, and inflation issues. And that would infect the world.

If we got out of the first, we can probably get out of a second, however, I'm not a huge economy buff so...

[Marcurix]

First off they aren't "my" Republicans.

Second have to spent any amount of time in Alberta? At all?

I live in Alberta, the uber-conservative hellhole, I know the political landscape well, we only have 1 non-Conservative MP out of 28 and our legislature is almost all conservative.

Then I don't quite think you have any experience with true conservatism. In my travels the part of Canada I have been to the most is Alberta. Out of both interest and necessity I have learned about the Albertan political landscape.

Looking at the previous provincial election, where the Alberta conservatives center-right (and i mean Westminster style center right) retained power over the more right-wing Wild rose alliance shows where Alberta stand on such "uber-conservative" issues. I will point out even the wild rose isn't close to the Republicans either. Both the leader of the Wildrose and the Conservatives made point to visit Gay Pride events shortly after the election itself.

If you seriously suggest that Alberta conservatives are on scale to American Republicans you've either never been outside Alberta or never been to the USA.

[Trolling Hajj]

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

It's not arrogance, it's just plain facts. US and Canada will NOT be joining into a huge nation. It will never happen. Even the politicians from both sides agree on this.

I'm not saying it's likely or unlikely, all I'm saying is that it's possible and desirable and that never should ever ever be uttered in the realm of politics. In the 1950s it would have been impossible for the EU to have been created. In the 1960s it was impossible to think that east asian economies would outgrow western african economies. In the 1970s it was impossible that computers would actually become cool consumer objects and revolutionize industries. In the 90s it was impossible that NAFTA could get rammed through and ratified in all three nations. And in 2000 it was impossible that by the end of the decade America would be weaker then when it entered, And in this current age it's impossible that a north american union could happen? Give me a break. Anything is possible, and this is very possible.

[Crogach]

No, it doesn't; Canada is vastly different from the US and by bringing them into the US before we've got our act together in terms of healthcare and other things we're going to actively curtail their political freedom and drag down their standard of living. By bringing the most progressive parts of the US into Canada we can avoid a fair amount of the cultural dissonance that would occur from having Toronto and rural Alabama under one roof, and the initial startup costs of getting a Canadian social safety net up and running in the newly incorporated areas can be at least partially offset by the wealth generated in these areas.

I second this, you can join Canada, Canada won't join you. Also, the west coast might do better as a new nation of Cascadia, combined with our BC, YK and maybe AB

I could actually see something like that happening, and I personally wouldn't be too unhappy with the results of that merger, provided that Cascadia and Canada establish some sort of deal regarding dual citizenship and free movement of people; I have too many awesome friends from California courtesy of my university that I wouldn't want to wind up losing them because they're now classed as international students.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I've left Alberta plenty, and our last election, our conservatives slid over a lot in terms of position, but look at the Klein-era of cutting almost all social programs and they have to go to these gay pride events because if they don't our public gets mad as heck.

[Saruhan]

It's not arrogance, it's just plain facts. US and Canada will NOT be joining into a huge nation. It will never happen. Even the politicians from both sides agree on this.

I'm not saying it's likely or unlikely, all I'm saying is that it's possible and desirable and that never should ever ever be uttered in the realm of politics. In the 1950s it would have been impossible for the EU to have been created. In the 1960s it was impossible to think that east asian economies would outgrow western african economies. In the 1970s it was impossible that computers would actually become cool consumer objects and revolutionize industries. In the 90s it was impossible that NAFTA could get rammed through and ratified in all three nations. And in 2000 it was impossible that by the end of the decade America would be weaker then when it entered, And in this current age it's impossible that a north american union could happen? Give me a break. Anything is possible, and this is very possible.

The thing is that all of those were in the realm of possibilities. unless there's some sort of Nuclear war happening I can't see this every happening

[Trolling Hajj]

Canada can trade with europe if it wants.
It has natural resources.

China and the BRICS will always need shit

Tell that to the aussies, their growth is already to starting to slow down below three percent. Or better yet tell Brazil where inflation is harming economic growth. Or hahaha tell the BRICS where China could be heading for a mid 2013 crash, India's growth rate has fell by 5 percent in the last year, Russia is still a fucking joke with anything not oil related, and Brazil is having massive inflation. And don't even get me started on South Africa. 80 percent of your trade is with us, not the BRICS. And the BRICS are no gods, even they begin to fall just a bit.

[Sailsia]

Ok so here's a thought. The USA and Canada share one of the longest borders in the world. They are also very close trading partners and are culturally quite similar (except for Canadian thanksgiving being too early and them pronouncing certain words wrong, but these are quite minor). Compared to US-Mexican Relations which is compounded by issues like the Drug War and Immigration, US-Canadian relations have been very smooth for generations.

So here is my proposal. Canada and the USA should officially merge. Canada can be divided into like 5-6 new American states.
Here's my idea
Partition Plan

So what does NS think?
I think this would benefit the USA because it would give us all of Canada's significant natural resources. Also with global warming the area may become prime farmland. It would be good for Canadians too, because they would finally be US citizens and could vote for the President and join Congress.

Wait, I like how OP doesn't even understand that Canada is already divided into provinces, and yet thinks it would be a good idea to take Canada, and, as he says, take their resources.

Protip: the U.S. isn't the best country in the world, and it certainly isn't better than Canada. If anything, they should take us over.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Ok so here's a thought. The USA and Canada share one of the longest borders in the world. They are also very close trading partners and are culturally quite similar (except for Canadian thanksgiving being too early and them pronouncing certain words wrong, but these are quite minor). Compared to US-Mexican Relations which is compounded by issues like the Drug War and Immigration, US-Canadian relations have been very smooth for generations.

So here is my proposal. Canada and the USA should officially merge. Canada can be divided into like 5-6 new American states.
Here's my idea
Partition Plan

So what does NS think?
I think this would benefit the USA because it would give us all of Canada's significant natural resources. Also with global warming the area may become prime farmland. It would be good for Canadians too, because they would finally be US citizens and could vote for the President and join Congress.

Wait, I like how OP doesn't even understand that Canada is already divided into provinces, and yet thinks it would be a good idea to take Canada, and, as he says, take their resources.

Protip: the U.S. isn't the best country in the world, and it certainly isn't better than Canada. If anything, they should take us over.

"Take over" has such negative connotations. I prefer "merger"
After all, it's mutually beneficial to both sides.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Wait, I like how OP doesn't even understand that Canada is already divided into provinces, and yet thinks it would be a good idea to take Canada, and, as he says, take their resources.

Protip: the U.S. isn't the best country in the world, and it certainly isn't better than Canada. If anything, they should take us over.

"Take over" has such negative connotations. I prefer "merger"
After all, it's mutually beneficial to both sides.

How, if America takes over Canada, we get screwed, if Canada takes over America, we still get screwed.

[Meritocratic States]

It's not arrogance, it's just plain facts. US and Canada will NOT be joining into a huge nation. It will never happen. Even the politicians from both sides agree on this.

I'm not saying it's likely or unlikely, all I'm saying is that it's possible and desirable and that never should ever ever be uttered in the realm of politics. In the 1950s it would have been impossible for the EU to have been created. In the 1960s it was impossible to think that east asian economies would outgrow western african economies. In the 1970s it was impossible that computers would actually become cool consumer objects and revolutionize industries. In the 90s it was impossible that NAFTA could get rammed through and ratified in all three nations. And in 2000 it was impossible that by the end of the decade America would be weaker then when it entered, And in this current age it's impossible that a north american union could happen? Give me a break. Anything is possible, and this is very possible.

Two out of three (US and Canada) says no.

[The walkers]

Ok so here's a thought. The USA and Canada share one of the longest borders in the world. They are also very close trading partners and are culturally quite similar (except for Canadian thanksgiving being too early and them pronouncing certain words wrong, but these are quite minor). Compared to US-Mexican Relations which is compounded by issues like the Drug War and Immigration, US-Canadian relations have been very smooth for generations.

So here is my proposal. Canada and the USA should officially merge. Canada can be divided into like 5-6 new American states.
Here's my idea
Partition Plan

So what does NS think?
I think this would benefit the USA because it would give us all of Canada's significant natural resources. Also with global warming the area may become prime farmland. It would be good for Canadians too, because they would finally be US citizens and could vote for the President and join Congress.

Wait, I like how OP doesn't even understand that Canada is already divided into provinces, and yet thinks it would be a good idea to take Canada, and, as he says, take their resources.

Protip: the U.S. isn't the best country in the world, and it certainly isn't better than Canada. If anything, they should take us over.

militarily we are, and thats just acknowledging fact. Example Our submarines we got out are armed with nuclear missiles if we really wanted we could destroy an entire navy before it even reached our shores. We have our Navy parked right outside of China which is probably the only country with enough people to waste their lives trying to beat us, as well as our entire country is covered in military bases. Theirs plenty of other stuff just wanting to give a basic idea.

In other aspects I agree though we are certainly not the best!