Should Canada merge with the USA?

[Oneracon]

Back of your hand to your forehead melodrama is fine. I love melodrama. It's hard to tell in a text interface, though, isn't it?

Fair point, my friend. It's a shame we don't have a greater selection of emotes. There's some on the other forum I use that are perfect for melodrama

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Nunavut will retain it's autonomy. Maybe we'll turn it into an Indian Reservation like the ones in the states. As for Quebec who knows. We'll figure it out once we've got it.

Even Canada hasn't figured out Quebec in it's 150+ years.

Thats why they should give us a go at it.

[Oneracon]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in Alberta there is a fair amount of opposition to American-style Republicans.

Our Conservative party is allied with your Republicans and Alberta is uber-conservative.

The CPC is officially in the same position as the US Democrats (centre-right), though some of the ex-Reformers are further into crazy town

[Marcurix]

Even Canada hasn't figured out Quebec in it's 150+ years.

Thats why they should give us a go at it.

The American style melting pot will only making things worse.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Hell No, and surely not 5-6 states, we'd make at least 13 new states, one for each province and territory. Also, the cultural differences are much too large, you guys couldn't deal with the cultural problems with Quebec and Nunavut

Easily solved. Give Quebec Independence. Nunavut would be taken over by US Eskimos/Inuits from Alaska.

If you let Quebec go independent, why not let Western Canada go independent, 45% of western Canadians want independence from Canada.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

I personally don't feel like abandoning our multiparty parliamentary democracy in favour of a flawed two-party congressional republic model.

I'd actually like to do something a bit different, if we're going to start partitioning things off. I'd like New England, NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, ND, MO, WA, OR, and CA to move up to Canada rather than bringing Canada down to us. You guys get the most prosperous and progressive parts of the United States (the East and West Coasts), a massive boost in population (NYC, Chicago, San Fransisco, and Los Angeles), and in return we get free healthcare and a multiparty parliamentary democracy.

Umm. NO. My way makes much more sense.

[Trolling Hajj]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

Your justification as to why we should annex Canada goes against everything the United States is supposed to stand for and violates the very civil liberties that countless generations of Americans have fought and dyed to protect.

You are distorting my views. I did not say I wanted annexation, I am only predicting that by 2050 through a mutual diplomatic track a North American union will be achieved. I lived through the Ivorian civil war, I know what forced actions do the soul of a people. I've seen houses burned down, people eyes stabbed out. I am againstw ar, I predict that by 2050 though a north american union will be achieved.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Even Canada hasn't figured out Quebec in it's 150+ years.

Thats why they should give us a go at it.

Oh yes, because the Quebecois would love to have the Americans with their melting pot politics try to negotiate with them to try and "figure things out" (whatever the hell that means).

[Marcurix]

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in Alberta there is a fair amount of opposition to American-style Republicans.

Our Conservative party is allied with your Republicans and Alberta is uber-conservative.

First off they aren't "my" Republicans.

Second have to spent any amount of time in Alberta? At all?

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Thats why they should give us a go at it.

Oh yes, because the Quebecois would love to have the Americans with their melting pot politics try to negotiate with them to try and "figure things out" (whatever the hell that means).

It means we'll let them have both English and French used side by side. Problem solved.

[Oneracon]

I'd actually like to do something a bit different, if we're going to start partitioning things off. I'd like New England, NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, ND, MO, WA, OR, and CA to move up to Canada rather than bringing Canada down to us. You guys get the most prosperous and progressive parts of the United States (the East and West Coasts), a massive boost in population (NYC, Chicago, San Fransisco, and Los Angeles), and in return we get free healthcare and a multiparty parliamentary democracy.

Umm. NO. My way makes much more sense.

Nah, Crogach's makes more sense.

Let the right-wingers and religious fundamentalists keep their buddies, and the actually sane portions of the United States can join us. Vermont wanted to secede and join Canada a few years ago, actually.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Our Conservative party is allied with your Republicans and Alberta is uber-conservative.

First off they aren't "my" Republicans.

Second have to spent any amount of time in Alberta? At all?

I live in Alberta, the uber-conservative hellhole, I know the political landscape well, we only have 1 non-Conservative MP out of 28 and our legislature is almost all conservative.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Oh yes, because the Quebecois would love to have the Americans with their melting pot politics try to negotiate with them to try and "figure things out" (whatever the hell that means).

It means we'll let them have both English and French used side by side. Problem solved.

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

[Oneracon]

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

I thought the text of the OP made that fairly obvious

[Saruhan]

It means we'll let them have both English and French used side by side. Problem solved.

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

That was established by the drawing on Page 1

[Trolling Hajj]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

[Ostroeuropa]

The attempted annexation of canada into the US in 1812 was one of the events that defined canadian nationality.
You may annex canada, if you adopt their laws, and their head of state.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

It means we'll let them have both English and French used side by side. Problem solved.

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

If you know American politics, throw all that out the window when dealing with Canuck politics.

[Sheariliik]

as an american. no.

[The walkers]

I'm a Canadian and I don't exactly like this. Mainly because it feels like we're giving up what we accomplished during the war of 1812. Also because Canadians would really be against this sudden change, I kind of feel that the North American Union between Mexico, Canada and USA may occur though, to my chagrin of course...

They've been lobbying for it for years and will keep doing so for many years until it gets done or someone completely smashes all of their idealistic hopes of all the Americas standing together holding hands.

[Farnhamia]

Thats why they should give us a go at it.

Oh yes, because the Quebecois would love to have the Americans with their melting pot politics try to negotiate with them to try and "figure things out" (whatever the hell that means).

Negotiate? Nah. We just flood the place with fast food joints, "fast food" music, TV game shows, Walmart, Sam's Club, Costco and before you know it, those Quebeckians will be assimilated. After all, la résistance est futile.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

It means we'll let them have both English and French used side by side. Problem solved.

Clearly you have little to no knowledge about Quebecois/Canadian politics.

Perhaps thats better. We won't over analyze the situation.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

I used to think Canadians were nice and friendly, but after tonight I am saddened that you are just as arrogant as us. First of all, numerous economists are issuing warning signals about your real estate sector, I will recognize the brilliance of your 90s era banking reforms, but let's face it if America enters a severe depression you guys will be there right along with us with the cold just like the female dog you are to the good ol u s of a.

We're in a better position in this recession than the states, just ask the new head of the IMF.

[Crogach]

I'd actually like to do something a bit different, if we're going to start partitioning things off. I'd like New England, NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, ND, MO, WA, OR, and CA to move up to Canada rather than bringing Canada down to us. You guys get the most prosperous and progressive parts of the United States (the East and West Coasts), a massive boost in population (NYC, Chicago, San Fransisco, and Los Angeles), and in return we get free healthcare and a multiparty parliamentary democracy.

Umm. NO. My way makes much more sense.

No, it doesn't; Canada is vastly different from the US and by bringing them into the US before we've got our act together in terms of healthcare and other things we're going to actively curtail their political freedom and drag down their standard of living. By bringing the most progressive parts of the US into Canada we can avoid a fair amount of the cultural dissonance that would occur from having Toronto and rural Alabama under one roof, and the initial startup costs of getting a Canadian social safety net up and running in the newly incorporated areas can be at least partially offset by the wealth generated in these areas.

[Saruhan]

I'm a Canadian and I don't exactly like this. Mainly because it feels like we're giving up what we accomplished during the war of 1812. Also because Canadians would really be against this sudden change, I kind of feel that the North American Union between Mexico, Canada and USA may occur though, to my chagrin of course...

They've been lobbying for it for years and will keep doing so for many years until it gets done or someone completely smashes all of their idealistic hopes of all the Americas standing together holding hands.

The economic realities of today will ensure that will never happen