Should Canada merge with the USA?

[Crogach]

Speaking as an American, I'd love for us to pick up Canada, partially because it would provide a whole new bloc of voters to balance out the ultraconservatives and quite possibly relegate the Republican party to the ash heap of history, and partially because they have a great deal of national resources that it would do America a lot of good to gain access. If I were Canadian, however, I'd be thanking the Brits every morning and every night for the border separating me from the craziness that is America's political scene and preserving the aspects of my country that make it a European-style left-leaning multiparty democracy rather than an annex of the US.

[Lancaster of Wessex]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

I fail to see any convincing arguments in your diatribe whatsoever. Our quote real estate bubble is nothing like the US' and our banks are some of the most regulated and well regarded on the planet, despite a recent downgrade many faced by S&P (I believe). And please source this gem: "It's already in the cards." re: a North American union.

[Trolling Hajj]

You claim that one of the benefits for Canadians would be that they'd "finally be US citizens," and when rebuffed are incredulous that "we want to share a nation with you and you say 'go to hell'". It's fairly clear that, to you, being a US citizen and part of the American nation is axiomatically a wonderful thing that everyone should want, and that you can't see any reason why the Canadians would want to retain their inferior country and provinces instead of embracing the joys of being American.

Pretty much. Not sure if thats the same as Manifest Destiny tho.

The new nation wouldn't be America though, obviously it would need a new name. I also believe each of the provinces should retain it's original borders. That would means 10+ blue states for the liberal majority to add to it's base.

[Farnhamia]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

And I can assure you that I would fight against that until I breathe my last.

And I'm sure you would. It's not going to happen. You're taking this way too seriously.

[Oneracon]

And I can assure you that I would fight against that until I breathe my last.

And I'm sure you would. It's not going to happen. You're taking this way too seriously.

What? I'm not allowed a little melodrama

[Rio Cana]

Canada doesn't want to be part of the US, and America isn't the America off Fallout so it wont invade Canada nor have reason to.

Just wait for the ice to melt. Once those border markers sink into the mud then landlocked North Dakota will see itself with beach front coast line once they absorb Manitoba. Minnesota can also get into the act.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Hell No, and surely not 5-6 states, we'd make at least 13 new states, one for each province and territory. Also, the cultural differences are much too large, you guys couldn't deal with the cultural problems with Quebec and Nunavut

[Americanada]

Wait a minute. Was this issue settled already?

[Oneracon]

Speaking as an American, I'd love for us to pick up Canada, partially because it would provide a whole new bloc of voters to balance out the ultraconservatives and quite possibly relegate the Republican party to the ash heap of history, and partially because they have a great deal of national resources that it would do America a lot of good to gain access. If I were Canadian, however, I'd be thanking the Brits every morning and every night for the border separating me from the craziness that is America's political scene and preserving the aspects of my country that make it a European-style left-leaning multiparty democracy rather than an annex of the US.

I personally don't feel like abandoning our multiparty parliamentary democracy in favour of a flawed two-party congressional republic model.

[Zathganastan]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

Your justification as to why we should annex Canada goes against everything the United States is supposed to stand for and violates the very civil liberties that countless generations of Americans have fought and dyed to protect.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Pretty much. Not sure if thats the same as Manifest Destiny tho.

The new nation wouldn't be America though, obviously it would need a new name. I also believe each of the provinces should retain it's original borders. That would means 10+ blue states for the liberal majority to add to it's base.

Alberta would go republican and our NDP is farther left than your democrats.

[The walkers]

Listen all. I respect everyone's feelings here, and I respect everyone's views, this is a wonderful conversation. But I think what the OP is trying to get at isn't just his specific plan for a Northern American union, but rather of the idea and concept that America and Canada are destined for each other. America needs Canada's injected liberalism(besides the tories eh? haha) and rich natural resources. And the Canadians would be well served by belonging to a broader northern american community, even larger and more open trade ties, and an army second to none in the world's history.

No matter what you believe we all must realize the world is changing. Food supplies become ever more strained, America;'s unemployment rate continues to swerve out of control( and please Canadians stop the smugness, the next time we go under, you guys will certainly go down too, your real estate bubble isn't exactly a beacon of regulation). Canada would also be better served by finally also belonging to a nation whose primary identity was one actually based on the virtues of the nation and not on "We're not them!".

So please guys, next time you deride these ideas, remember climate change, economic crisis, and border migrations. All these things will eventually lead to the reality that America will sooner or later gobble up your beautiful but needed nation.

And remember that in politics the greatest quality to have is always one of imagination, very few predicted the Arab spring, even else the Syrian civil war, and even Fukushima. The idea of a nation-state that bounds from Montreal to Houston shall become a reality, weather you want it or not. It's already in the cards.

Your justification as to why we should annex Canada goes against everything the United States is supposed to stand for and violates the very civil liberties that countless generations of Americans have fought and dyed to protect.

You're being too reasonable and realistic friend. Please, just step back for a moment and embrace blind idealism!

[Meritocratic States]

Speaking as an American, I'd love for us to pick up Canada, partially because it would provide a whole new bloc of voters to balance out the ultraconservatives and quite possibly relegate the Republican party to the ash heap of history, and partially because they have a great deal of national resources that it would do America a lot of good to gain access. If I were Canadian, however, I'd be thanking the Brits every morning and every night for the border separating me from the craziness that is America's political scene and preserving the aspects of my country that make it a European-style left-leaning multiparty democracy rather than an annex of the US.

I personally don't feel like abandoning our multiparty parliamentary democracy in favour of a flawed two-party congressional republic model.

THIS. Thank you.

[Greater Nilfgaard]

Hell No, and surely not 5-6 states, we'd make at least 13 new states, one for each province and territory. Also, the cultural differences are much too large, you guys couldn't deal with the cultural problems with Quebec and Nunavut

Nunavut will retain it's autonomy. Maybe we'll turn it into an Indian Reservation like the ones in the states. As for Quebec who knows. We'll figure it out once we've got it.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

I personally don't feel like abandoning our multiparty parliamentary democracy in favour of a flawed two-party congressional republic model.

THIS. Thank you.

I third this, our political parties aren't very compatible and how would you like Stephen Harper as POTUS?

[Unita Teccon Olympia Enclave]

No I for one greatly respect Canadian sovereignty and their flag, they deserve their own right of being an independent body.

[Zathganastan]

Your justification as to why we should annex Canada goes against everything the United States is supposed to stand for and violates the very civil liberties that countless generations of Americans have fought and dyed to protect.

You're being too reasonable and realistic friend. Please, just step back for a moment and embrace blind idealism!

Sorry but I'm afraid I'm all out of blind Nationalism or idealism at the moment.

[Torisakia]

Yes. But it should still remain Canada and have it's own government.

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Hell No, and surely not 5-6 states, we'd make at least 13 new states, one for each province and territory. Also, the cultural differences are much too large, you guys couldn't deal with the cultural problems with Quebec and Nunavut

Nunavut will retain it's autonomy. Maybe we'll turn it into an Indian Reservation like the ones in the states. As for Quebec who knows. We'll figure it out once we've got it.

Even Canada hasn't figured out Quebec in it's 150+ years.

[Marcurix]

The new nation wouldn't be America though, obviously it would need a new name. I also believe each of the provinces should retain it's original borders. That would means 10+ blue states for the liberal majority to add to it's base.

Alberta would go republican and our NDP is farther left than your democrats.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in Alberta there is a fair amount of opposition to American-style Republicans.

[Syleru]

I'm a Canadian and I don't exactly like this. Mainly because it feels like we're giving up what we accomplished during the war of 1812. Also because Canadians would really be against this sudden change, I kind of feel that the North American Union between Mexico, Canada and USA may occur though, to my chagrin of course...

[Farnhamia]

And I'm sure you would. It's not going to happen. You're taking this way too seriously.

What? I'm not allowed a little melodrama

Back of your hand to your forehead melodrama is fine. I love melodrama. It's hard to tell in a text interface, though, isn't it?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Alberta would go republican and our NDP is farther left than your democrats.

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Even in Alberta there is a fair amount of opposition to American-style Republicans.

Our Conservative party is allied with your Republicans and Alberta is uber-conservative.

[Crogach]

Speaking as an American, I'd love for us to pick up Canada, partially because it would provide a whole new bloc of voters to balance out the ultraconservatives and quite possibly relegate the Republican party to the ash heap of history, and partially because they have a great deal of national resources that it would do America a lot of good to gain access. If I were Canadian, however, I'd be thanking the Brits every morning and every night for the border separating me from the craziness that is America's political scene and preserving the aspects of my country that make it a European-style left-leaning multiparty democracy rather than an annex of the US.

I personally don't feel like abandoning our multiparty parliamentary democracy in favour of a flawed two-party congressional republic model.

I'd actually like to do something a bit different, if we're going to start partitioning things off. I'd like New England, NY, NJ, PA, OH, MI, WI, MN, ND, MO, WA, OR, and CA to move up to Canada rather than bringing Canada down to us. You guys get the most prosperous and progressive parts of the United States (the East and West Coasts), a massive boost in population (NYC, Chicago, San Fransisco, and Los Angeles), and in return we get free healthcare and a multiparty parliamentary democracy.

[Rio Cana]

Hell No, and surely not 5-6 states, we'd make at least 13 new states, one for each province and territory. Also, the cultural differences are much too large, you guys couldn't deal with the cultural problems with Quebec and Nunavut

Easily solved. Give Quebec Independence. Nunavut would be taken over by US Eskimos/Inuits from Alaska.