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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:06 am
by The UK in Exile
Miss Defied wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
You and the President agree on that.

And Robert Murray, CEO of Murray energy who implies that he didn't build his business, God did.

“Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build.”


it is odd that what is a sign from god and what isn't wholly agrees with his world view...

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:08 am
by Franklin Delano Bluth
Franklin Delano Bluth speaks!

Objectiveland, your posts here are quite representative of the classic looter and moocher mentality. Why are you such a looter and moocher?

Franklin Delano Bluth has spoken!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:09 am
by Miss Defied
Neo Art wrote:I'm somewhat confused by this recent tendency in the right wing to try and somehow argue that just because someone can do something, that this somehow makes them immune from criticism from his actions.

It's the same mindset that justifies rape because the victim was "asking for it" by wearing a miniskirt and mascara.
Deplorable human beings, really.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:09 am
by Neo Art
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth speaks!

. . .

Franklin Delano Bluth has spoken!


That's very fucking annoying. Stop it.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:12 am
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace
Neo Art wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth speaks!

. . .

Franklin Delano Bluth has spoken!


That's very fucking annoying. Stop it.

Makes me think of The Final Call every time he makes a post.

Good memories.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:13 am
by Franklin Delano Bluth
Franklin Delano Bluth speaks!

No. It's quite fun and perfectly harmless.

Franklin Delano Bluth has spoken!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:16 am
by ALMF
Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f wrote:Nice to see that people on the right are not sore losers. Oh...wait...scratch that..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

After Obama reelection, Murray Energy CEO reads prayer, announces layoffs

By Steven Mufson, Published: November 9

For the chairman and chief executive of Murray Energy, an Ohio-based coal company, the reelection of President Obama was no cause for celebration. It was a time for prayer — and layoffs.

Robert E. Murray read a prayer to a group of company staff members on the day after the election, lamenting the direction of the country and asking: “Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build.”

On Wednesday, Murray also laid off 54 people at American Coal, one of his subsidiary companies, and 102 at Utah American Energy, blaming a “war on coal” by the Obama administration. Although that charge was repeatedly leveled during the election, energy analysts say that the coal-mining business is suffering because of competition from low-cost natural gas and rising production costs of coal, especially in the Appalachian region.

Murray Energy is the country’s largest privately owned coal mining company, with about 3,000 employees producing about 30 million tons of bituminous coal a year, according to its Web site.

The company was the subject of an article in the New Republic that said the firm forced miners to attend a Romney campaign speech in southeastern Ohio in August. Murray denied the account. The New Republic also reported that Murray Energy employees have given more than $1.4 million to Republican candidates for federal office since 2007.

Murray has been a target of environmentalists. Notably, the company has spilled coal slurry into a creek on seven occasions.

Murray’s prayer from Wednesday first appeared on the Web site of the Intelligencer/Wheeling News-Register. The newspaper said Murray supplied his text. The Washington Post confirmed its legitimacy with a company spokesman, Gary M. Broadbent.

Here is the full text of the prayer:

“Dear Lord:

The American people have made their choice. They have decided that America must change its course, away from the principals of our Founders. And, away from the idea of individual freedom and individual responsibility. Away from capitalism, economic responsibility, and personal acceptance.

We are a Country in favor of redistribution, national weakness and reduced standard of living and lower and lower levels of personal freedom.

My regret, Lord, is that our young people, including those in my own family, never will know what America was like or might have been. They will pay the price in their reduced standard of living and, most especially, reduced freedom.

The takers outvoted the producers. In response to this, I have turned to my Bible and in II Peter, Chapter 1, verses 4-9 it says, ‘To faith we are to add goodness; to goodness, knowledge; to knowledge, self control; to self control, perseverance; to perseverance, godliness; to godliness, kindness; to brotherly kindness, love.’

Lord, please forgive me and anyone with me in Murray Energy Corp. for the decisions that we are now forced to make to preserve the very existence of any of the enterprises that you have helped us build. We ask for your guidance in this drastic time with the drastic decisions that will be made to have any hope of our survival as an American business enterprise.

Amen.”


Call me shocked...shocked!

Nothing better to see petty little scrotes throwing their toys out of the pram in fits of petulance. With luck any firings due to political affiliations will bite this asshole on the ass.

So NSG - hardnosed businessman or asshole? I vote for asshole.

looks like someone neads a dopamine pathways blocker.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:16 am
by Neo Art
Actually, it's spam, and will likely be reported as such.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:46 am
by Objectiveland
Neo Art wrote:I'm somewhat confused by this recent tendency in the right wing to try and somehow argue that just because someone can do something, that this somehow makes them immune from criticism from his actions.


If you are speaking about me I never said he couldn't be criticized. I'm simply stating if it's in his rational self interest to fire employees than so be it.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:48 am
by The UK in Exile
Objectiveland wrote:
Neo Art wrote:I'm somewhat confused by this recent tendency in the right wing to try and somehow argue that just because someone can do something, that this somehow makes them immune from criticism from his actions.


If you are speaking about me I never said he couldn't be criticized. I'm simply stating if it's in his rational self interest to fire employees than so be it.


and if its in the rational self interest of the workers to form picket lines and block lorries going in or out of the mine?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:49 am
by The Emerald Dawn
Objectiveland wrote:
Neo Art wrote:I'm somewhat confused by this recent tendency in the right wing to try and somehow argue that just because someone can do something, that this somehow makes them immune from criticism from his actions.


If you are speaking about me I never said he couldn't be criticized. I'm simply stating if it's in his rational self interest to fire employees than so be it.

Rational.

God.

You're terrible at this.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:49 am
by Objectiveland
Neo Art wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
You and the President agree on that.


You mean "you, the president, and the majority of America" right?


No. The majority of American's don't believe being provided a salary for their talents is enslavement.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:51 am
by Objectiveland
The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
If you are speaking about me I never said he couldn't be criticized. I'm simply stating if it's in his rational self interest to fire employees than so be it.

Rational.

God.

You're terrible at this.


You are assuming he fired people to the detriment of his business. I am not.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:54 am
by Objectiveland
The UK in Exile wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
If you are speaking about me I never said he couldn't be criticized. I'm simply stating if it's in his rational self interest to fire employees than so be it.


and if its in the rational self interest of the workers to form picket lines and block lorries going in or out of the mine?


Physical force must not be tolerated. If they want to stand and picket fine. Others would be glad to have their jobs.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:55 am
by The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace
Objectiveland wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
You mean "you, the president, and the majority of America" right?


No. The majority of American's don't believe being provided a salary for their talents is enslavement.

If you are the only woman in the world without vagina dentata, and you have a boyfriend who you treat like crap so much that he hates you, he is certainly free to pick another girlfriend.

That doesn't make it a realistic option.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:01 pm
by Neo Art
Objectiveland wrote:If you are speaking about me


Nah, I'm referring to people who actually believe it, not puppet wankers.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:05 pm
by The UK in Exile
Objectiveland wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
and if its in the rational self interest of the workers to form picket lines and block lorries going in or out of the mine?


Physical force must not be tolerated. If they want to stand and picket fine. Others would be glad to have their jobs.


that would be breaking the law.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:07 pm
by Objectiveland
The UK in Exile wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
Physical force must not be tolerated. If they want to stand and picket fine. Others would be glad to have their jobs.


that would be breaking the law.


Nope

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:08 pm
by Objectiveland
The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace wrote:
Objectiveland wrote:
No. The majority of American's don't believe being provided a salary for their talents is enslavement.

If you are the only woman in the world without vagina dentata, and you have a boyfriend who you treat like crap so much that he hates you, he is certainly free to pick another girlfriend.

That doesn't make it a realistic option.


So you believe any job you take is enslavement?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 pm
by The Emerald Dawn
Objectiveland wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
that would be breaking the law.


Nope

What an absolutely ground-breaking argument.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 pm
by The UK in Exile
Objectiveland wrote:
The UK in Exile wrote:
that would be breaking the law.


Nope


yup.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:09 pm
by Delmok
OBAMA 2012!!!!!
so glad romney lost
hahaha
All republicans are idiots!!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:10 pm
by The Emerald Dawn
Delmok wrote:OBAMA 2012!!!!!
so glad romney lost
hahaha
All republicans are idiots!!!!!

Wrong thread. The Poor Winners thread is thataway.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:11 pm
by Khadgar
The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Delmok wrote:OBAMA 2012!!!!!
so glad romney lost
hahaha
All republicans are idiots!!!!!

Wrong thread. The Poor Winners thread is thataway.


Check his post history, it's full of stupid shit like that. I'd call it spam, but spam usually has more content.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:13 pm
by New England and The Maritimes
The TransPecos wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
Here's a fun game. Link me 10 anti-business regulations Obama has passed. Him being such a fucking anti-business communist this ought be easy. Feel free. Obamacare only counts as one.



OK. Let's go. Remember this is about current and rising costs and resultant moving, not whether you think these are good, bad, or indifferent regulations or mandates.

1. Obamacare. You're cheating by calling Obamacare just one because it both phased and contains multiple mandates.
2. CFL lamps are all made in China because of both cheap labor and no evironmental restictions on use of mercury.
3. GM is moving to China. That's a huge market and there are few regulations on auto building activities. GM isn't alone, think everything from toys to diesel engines. (Oh yeah, GM is Government Motors Corp., right?)
4. EPA regulatory processes (e.g. exhaust scrubbing, ozone, etc.) are chaotic and in utter confusion. The electricity generating industry simply doesn't know where to turn. The proposed clean air standards can't be achieved where I live simply because the wind blows (or Texas sucks, take your choice).
5. General bureaucratic delays in rule making. In the pipeline are over 4000 rules that will hit in the next few years, assumimg thet things go even reasonably smoothly. Companies of any size have complete departments that attempt to stay current on regulatory issues.
6. Tier 3 fuel standands will cost the economy about 8 billion dollars. Tier 4 diesel emission requirements will have a lesser but significant effect.

Looking to the future, let's pick some under review by the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. (Google OIRA for more details.)

7. New refinery standards, Estimated impact is 460 million dollars. When was the last refinery built in the USA?
8. Vehicle rear view cameras. Estimated impact is 2.7 billion dollars. What is the benefit that is worth that sum of money?
9. Refrigerator Energy Standards. Estimated impact is 875 million dollars.
10. Crystalline silica. Estimated impact is 55 billion dollars. Multiple building stand vacant in and are and economic burden to my city because they contain asbestos and no one will touch them. Silica is everywhere!

We could go on but what's the point. You know and I know that there is a manufacturing flight from the USA. Where possible, service industries (e.g. call centers) have and are fleeing. The equivalent economic action is about to take place in those service and other industries that can't flee.

You just have to face up to the fact and look at the causes. Look at economic growth, look at imports from China, India, and other countries. Look at our national debt. Look at our foreign creditors. They all point to the same fundamental fact; the USA is not the best place, and often is not even a good place, to do business and one main reason is rising regulatory issues and mandated costs

Nice. Not one of them is true. You've pulled a Romney. Bravo. :clap: