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Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:50 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
YES IT CAN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Something CAN come from nothing.
Not only that, if you have a total vacuum
something MUST come from nothing.
Please take your religious misinformation elsewhere

Vacuums have energy...


Not total vacuums
And, the math explains why in a total vacuum energy would come about to turn it into a regular vacuum anyway (eventually), and eventually into a non-vacuum
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:52 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Vacuums have energy...


Not total vacuums

Are you talking about QED vacuums or not? Make up your mind. In Quantum Field theory, a vacuum is the sate with the lowest possible amount of energy. They still contain energy.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:52 am

Torisakia wrote:
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How so?

Oh just about 90% of the threads in NSG.


Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:53 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Not total vacuums

Are you talking about QED vacuums or not? Make up your mind. In Quantum Field theory, a vacuum is the sate with the lowest possible amount of energy. They still contain energy.


The math explains why a total vacuum would result in a regular vacuum eventually.
In a state absolutely devoid of everything, including energy, energy comes into existence.
Whether or not there WAS a total vacuum is irrelevant.
Something can come from nothing.
Whether the nothing ever was is neither here nor there
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Postby Central Slavia » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:53 am

Bojikami wrote:
Somali Caliphate wrote:Evolution is the worst theory ever thought of in human history and the evidence against it now is overwhelming. I mean even if you don't have a religion, the Big Bang is now accepted as fact, due to the large amount of evidence supporting it and it shows that the universe had a beginning. Time and space themselves had a beginning, so how does Evolution account for what happened before the existence of time, space and matter?

Obvious Christian ignorant is... obvious.

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First of all, ignorance of known scientific developments isn't by far restricted to christians, and second, by far, not all christians are ignorant of them.
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:53 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Oh just about 90% of the threads in NSG.


Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:54 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Are you talking about QED vacuums or not? Make up your mind. In Quantum Field theory, a vacuum is the sate with the lowest possible amount of energy. They still contain energy.


The math explains why a total vacuum would result in a regular vacuum eventually.
In a state absolutely devoid of everything, including energy, energy comes into existence.
Whether or not there WAS a total vacuum is irrelevant.
Something can come from nothing.
Whether the nothing ever was is neither here nor there


QED vacuum has interesting and complex properties. In QED vacuum, the electric and magnetic fields have zero average values, but their variances are not zero.[18] As a result, QED vacuum contains vacuum fluctuations (virtual particles that hop into and out of existence), and a finite energy called vacuum energy. Vacuum fluctuations are an essential and ubiquitous part of quantum field theory. Some experimentally verified effects of vacuum fluctuations include spontaneous emission, the Casimir effect and the Lamb shift.[19] Coulomb's law and the electric potential in vacuum near an electric charge are modified.[20]


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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:54 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?

We didn't evolve from monkeys, but thanks for playing.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:54 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


Yes it is ridiculous, and shows you don't know what evolution is.
We are the monkeys cousin species, not it's descendent.
Try Ape.

We are still apes by the way, so yes, apes do still give birth to humans.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:55 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


It's untrue. Man shares a common ancestor with monkeys, but that's it.
Removing the text from people's sigs doesn't make it any less true. I stand with Yalta.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


What if I told you.
You are still a monkey.
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


Yes it is ridiculous, and shows you don't know what evolution is.
We are the monkeys cousin species, not it's descendent.
Try Ape.

We are still apes by the way, so yes, apes do still give birth to humans.

I knew you people were too difficult to deal with. :palm:

I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Most of them are either ridiculing things that are subjective, or unrepresentative of the majority.

Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?

Yep. Ridiculous. It shows that you have no idea what evolution is and also view humans as some sort of super-evolved species.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Immoren wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


What if I told you.
You are still a monkey.


You'd both be wrong.

MINDFUCK.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Immoren wrote:
Torisakia wrote:Okay.

Basically, I just believe that man evolved from monkey. Or is that too ridiculous for NSG?


What if I told you.
You are still a monkey.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:56 am

Hurf durf if america were colonized by europeans, why do we still have europe!
Europeans don't give birth to americans! LOL!

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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:57 am

Torisakia wrote:I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.


We're explaining it. All you have to do is listen.
Removing the text from people's sigs doesn't make it any less true. I stand with Yalta.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:57 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yes it is ridiculous, and shows you don't know what evolution is.
We are the monkeys cousin species, not it's descendent.
Try Ape.

We are still apes by the way, so yes, apes do still give birth to humans.

I knew you people were too difficult to deal with. :palm:

I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.


I don't expect you to know.
What I expect is for you to admit you don't know and not make shit up to fill the gap.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:58 am

Torisakia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Yes it is ridiculous, and shows you don't know what evolution is.
We are the monkeys cousin species, not it's descendent.
Try Ape.

We are still apes by the way, so yes, apes do still give birth to humans.

I knew you people were too difficult to deal with. :palm:

I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.

Yes, we do. I'll be taking bio next year. I haven't even had science yet this year. Last year (Grade 9) we did a two-week unit on genetics. I already knew everything that we were taught.
So, yeah, we sort of do expect you to know what evolution is.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:58 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Immoren wrote:
What if I told you.
You are still a monkey.

Image


When did we stop being monkeys? :P
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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:58 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Torisakia wrote:I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.


We're explaining it. All you have to do is listen.

This is a good infographic (too large to post):
http://i.minus.com/ifGJKcXOso8h4.png
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:59 am

Immoren wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:(Image)


When did we stop being monkeys? :P


We never started.
We're apes.
There is a significant difference.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Ape_vs_Monkey
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Nov 10, 2012 11:59 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Torisakia wrote:I have a 43 in Biology and you expect me to know what Evolution is. Great job.


We're explaining it. All you have to do is listen.

This is false. You're basically ridiculing everything I'm saying. Whether it's true or not.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:00 pm

Torisakia wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
We're explaining it. All you have to do is listen.

This is false. You're basically ridiculing everything I'm saying. Whether it's true or not.


Show anything you've said that is true and we won't ridicule it.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.
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Postby Divair » Sat Nov 10, 2012 12:00 pm

Divair wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
We're explaining it. All you have to do is listen.

This is a good infographic (too large to post):
http://i.minus.com/ifGJKcXOso8h4.png

Quoting so people see this.
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