Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Great Nepal]

Okay, next question: can something come from nothing?

No.
But nothing doesn't exist, will never exist and never had existed so point is null.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, you'll just mentally cripple yourself and forfeit any right to take part in the discussion.
We don't want to hear about your made up crap. Go away, we're discussing reality

Who said it was made up?

We can prove it is made up.

[Ostroeuropa]

Okay, next question: can something come from nothing?

No.
But nothing doesn't exist, will never exist and never had existed so point is null.

YES IT CAN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Something CAN come from nothing.
Not only that, if you have a total vacuum
something MUST come from nothing.
Please take your religious misinformation elsewhere

[Torisakia]

Who said it was made up?

We can prove it is made up.

Because you all have doctoral degrees in the field of science?

Not saying that you couldn't get one, just saying that it seems like you people do.

[Ovisterra]

No, you'll just mentally cripple yourself and forfeit any right to take part in the discussion.
We don't want to hear about your made up crap. Go away, we're discussing reality

Who said it was made up?

If it's not, then why aren't you saying it?

[Ostroeuropa]

We can prove it is made up.

Because you all have doctoral degrees in the field of science?

Not saying that you couldn't get one, just saying that it seems like you people do.

The results of their studies are available and constitute proof.

[Divair]

We can prove it is made up.

Because you all have doctoral degrees in the field of science?

Not saying that you couldn't get one, just saying that it seems like you people do.

You don't need a degree to know this stuff. Just an open mind and some common sense.

[Torisakia]

Who said it was made up?

If it's not, then why aren't you saying it?

Because it will get ridiculed. Must I say it again?

[Ovisterra]

We can prove it is made up.

Because you all have doctoral degrees in the field of science?

No, but there are lots of people who do who's work we can cite.

[Chinese Regions]

Piffle. A mixture of the anthropomorphizing tendency of people and the Goldilocks Principle.

If conditions were slightly different, if, for instance, we evolved on a methane planet, we'd be saying the same things. And by the way, life didn't require all 40,000 proteins to be lined up, ready and waiting. It only needed a few. That's the thing Creationists always ignore, the fact that evolution allows life to start small and build on success. Because their myth says that "God" created things whole and functioning, ready to go, they assume that any other ideas about the beginnings of life must work the same way.

Is it not arrogant and close-minded to dismiss it right away like that? Besides whether you're a creationist or not, the fine-tuning of the universe is evident in pretty much everything. But anyway, can I ask this then: Can something non existent regulate itself?

The Universe is not perfect for us. We are adapt so we are perfect for it and that is evolution.

[Ovisterra]

If it's not, then why aren't you saying it?

Because it will get ridiculed.

We, as a forum, don't tend ridicule things that are true.

[Big Jim P]

Nope
Sue me, ACLU, I'm a christian.

Plenty of Christians accept that evolution is real....
The word you're looking for starts with an "I"...

Dya: I am done being nice about it.

Creationists: If you believe that through ignorance, that can be forgiven as there are many places to gain an education. If you fail to accept the evidence and continue on believing unsupported crap, then you are willfully stupid.

[Ostroeuropa]

If it's not, then why aren't you saying it?

Because it will get ridiculed. Must I say it again?

It will be ridiculed because it is ridiculous. You have decided to ignore reality and substitute your own, that's completely absurd.
Whats more, it is dangerous. You are empowering people who are causing people to die by spreading this idea.

[Farnhamia]

Because it will get ridiculed.

We, as a forum, don't tend ridicule things that are true.

*stifles a giggle*

[Great Nepal]

No.
But nothing doesn't exist, will never exist and never had existed so point is null.

YES IT CAN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Something CAN come from nothing.
Not only that, if you have a total vacuum
something MUST come from nothing.
Please take your religious misinformation elsewhere

Yes, and then there is not nothing... there is energy there. So, nothing never existed.

[Chinese Regions]

Except it's really not.




If it's non-existent, it's not going to do much at all.

Okay, next question: can something come from nothing?

Ask yourself and your deity that question.

[Mavorpen]

No.
But nothing doesn't exist, will never exist and never had existed so point is null.

YES IT CAN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Something CAN come from nothing.
Not only that, if you have a total vacuum
something MUST come from nothing.
Please take your religious misinformation elsewhere

Vacuums have energy...

[Farnhamia]

Okay, next question: can something come from nothing?

Ask yourself and your deity that question.

If God is eternal, why can't the universe also be eternal?

[Torisakia]

We, as a forum, don't tend ridicule things that are true.

This statement is patently false.

[Ovisterra]

We, as a forum, don't tend ridicule things that are true.

This statement is patently false.

How so?

[Tlaceceyaya]

If it's not, then why aren't you saying it?

Because it will get ridiculed. Must I say it again?

If it's true, then it doesn't matter. We will see the light and renounce evolution.

[Ostroeuropa]

YES IT CAN.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation

Something CAN come from nothing.
Not only that, if you have a total vacuum
something MUST come from nothing.
Please take your religious misinformation elsewhere

Yes, and then there is not nothing... there is energy there. So, nothing never existed.

You seem to misunderstand. A total absence can exist, that's how we've observed this.
(Create a total vacuum, sit and point machines at it for days and days)
after a while, quantum fluctuation occurs and virtual particles appear.
A sizable enough vacuum and a long enough time could result in the universe.

[Big Jim P]

We, as a forum, don't tend ridicule things that are true.

This statement is patently false.

I have to agree with Ovi here, unless you can provide evidence to the contrary.

[Torisakia]

This statement is patently false.

How so?

Oh just about 90% of the threads in NSG.

[Mavorpen]

Yes, and then there is not nothing... there is energy there. So, nothing never existed.

You seem to misunderstand. A total absence can exist, that's how we've observed this.
(Create a total vacuum, sit and point machines at it for days and days)
after a while, quantum fluctuation occurs and virtual particles appear.
A sizable enough vacuum and a long enough time could result in the universe.

...Because there is energy. Which means that "something" exists.