Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Ovisterra]

Hydrothermal vents.


Eternal Inflation or the Brane Model.

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang.

Very little.

But this has fuck all to do with evolution.

[Torisakia]

It figures it has to be difficult.

Okay, how about this: Creationism and Evolutionism are both real depending on your beliefs. Can we all just damn agree on that and be happy?

You're entitled to your own opinions. What you are not entitled to are your own facts. Evolution is supported by facts. Creationism is not.

[Ovisterra]

You're entitled to your own opinions. What you are not entitled to are your own facts. Evolution is supported by facts. Creationism is not.

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

[Fintanland]

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang. Because we agree that the universe was created as a result of the Big Bang? Would you care to comment on these excerpts I found:


The fine-tuning of the rate of universal expansion. Steven Hawking wrote: "If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present state." Slightly faster than the critical rate, and matter would have dispersed too rapidly to allow stars and galaxies to form. According to astrophysicist George Smoot the creation event was "finely orchestrated".

The critical ratio of the masses of the proton to the electron is finely adjusted. Says Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

The highly ordered initial state of the universe could not have come by chance. According to the calculation of Steve Hawking's associate, Roger Penrose, the highly ordered (low entropy) initial state of the universe is not something that could have occurred by even the wildest chance.

The balance and fine-tuning of the four fundamental forces in nature. Physicists speak of the the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Physicist Richard Morris writes: "Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life."

What are the chances that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place? Hoyle and Wickramasinghe calculated the odds at 1 in 10 40,000, a number far removed from the realm of finite possibilities.

Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson writes, "The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." NASA astronomer John O'Keefe says, "It is my view that these circumstances indicate that the universe was created for man to live in."

First: NONE of these have anything to do with evolution
Second: The Anthropic Principle - if this universe was not perfect for life to evolve, life would not have evolved, so nobody would have been around to marvel at it

[Mavorpen]

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang. Because we agree that the universe was created as a result of the Big Bang? Would you care to comment on these excerpts I found:

...I already answered what existed before the Big Bang. Brane Model or Eternal Inflation.

The fine-tuning of the rate of universal expansion. Steven Hawking wrote: "If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present state." Slightly faster than the critical rate, and matter would have dispersed too rapidly to allow stars and galaxies to form. According to astrophysicist George Smoot the creation event was "finely orchestrated".

The critical ratio of the masses of the proton to the electron is finely adjusted. Says Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

The highly ordered initial state of the universe could not have come by chance. According to the calculation of Steve Hawking's associate, Roger Penrose, the highly ordered (low entropy) initial state of the universe is not something that could have occurred by even the wildest chance.

The balance and fine-tuning of the four fundamental forces in nature. Physicists speak of the the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Physicist Richard Morris writes: "Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life."

What are the chances that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place? Hoyle and Wickramasinghe calculated the odds at 1 in 10 40,000, a number far removed from the realm of finite possibilities.

Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson writes, "The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." NASA astronomer John O'Keefe says, "It is my view that these circumstances indicate that the universe was created for man to live in."

Sure. These guys are romanticizing an event like complete idiots. That's it.

[The Black Forrest]

Okay lets assume that these sources constitute evidence for Evolution.

No, seeing they are from scientists worth their pay and peer-reviewed stuff: lets accept it as evidence for evolution.

Indeed. Peer-Review can be down right vicious especially when it goes against somebody's study........

[Torisakia]

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

[Dyakovo]

Nope
Sue me, ACLU, I'm a christian.

Plenty of Christians accept that evolution is real....
The word you're looking for starts with an "I"...

[Ruthvein]

I don't have to believe in evolution as it is a demonstrable fact. I can choose to believe or scoff at the existance of the UFO because nobody has proven to my satisfaction that they exist. I can't take a fortean stance on evolution because it happens and I can see it at work with my own eyes. I simply do not have the imagination or stamina to stamp around denying it.

[Mavorpen]

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

Science isn't inherently complicated. It's just difficult to many because a lot of it goes against our common sense and reason.

[Ovisterra]

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

It's not that bad. It's also rather important.

And quite interesting, I think.

[The Black Forrest]

Nei.
Forgive me, mighty and all-knowing Atheists.

Evolution does not equal atheism.

[Dyakovo]

No, since creationism is an unsupported claim.

It figures it has to be difficult.

Okay, how about this: Creationism and Evolutionism are both real depending on your beliefs. Can we all just damn agree on that and be happy?

No.

[Ostroeuropa]

The existance of other universes as a proposal is a self-contradictory statement.
There is only one universe, and all things are a part of it.

Might want to tell that to...

well, a pretty significant portion of people actually studying the universe. And that's being generous to you.

The universe is commonly defined as the totality of existence.
You cannot have something exist if it is a part of the universe.
The media often conflates universe with "This chunk of space we're derping around in." It's another of the tactics used by people who don't understand what they are talking about.

[Farnhamia]

Hydrothermal vents.


Eternal Inflation or the Brane Model.

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang. Because we agree that the universe was created as a result of the Big Bang? Would you care to comment on these excerpts I found:


The fine-tuning of the rate of universal expansion. Steven Hawking wrote: "If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present state." Slightly faster than the critical rate, and matter would have dispersed too rapidly to allow stars and galaxies to form. According to astrophysicist George Smoot the creation event was "finely orchestrated".

The critical ratio of the masses of the proton to the electron is finely adjusted. Says Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

The highly ordered initial state of the universe could not have come by chance. According to the calculation of Steve Hawking's associate, Roger Penrose, the highly ordered (low entropy) initial state of the universe is not something that could have occurred by even the wildest chance.

The balance and fine-tuning of the four fundamental forces in nature. Physicists speak of the the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Physicist Richard Morris writes: "Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life."

What are the chances that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place? Hoyle and Wickramasinghe calculated the odds at 1 in 10 40,000, a number far removed from the realm of finite possibilities.

Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson writes, "The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." NASA astronomer John O'Keefe says, "It is my view that these circumstances indicate that the universe was created for man to live in."

Piffle. A mixture of the anthropomorphizing tendency of people and the Goldilocks Principle.

If conditions were slightly different, if, for instance, we evolved on a methane planet, we'd be saying the same things. And by the way, life didn't require all 40,000 proteins to be lined up, ready and waiting. It only needed a few. That's the thing Creationists always ignore, the fact that evolution allows life to start small and build on success. Because their myth says that "God" created things whole and functioning, ready to go, they assume that any other ideas about the beginnings of life must work the same way.

[Bojikami]

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

Well considering how religion is beginning to shrink/ collapse, due to science, you might want to.

[Divair]

Nope. Opinions do not define reality.

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

This is why people believe in crap like creationism.

[Vortropolis]

This is why I don't get involved with science. It's too fucking complicated.

Well considering how religion is beginning to shrink/ collapse, due to science, you might want to.

I don't think it is right now but i mean that could change at any minute of course.

[Dyakovo]

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

No, its not "just a theory", and many people's lives do depend on it.

[Divair]

Well considering how religion is beginning to shrink/ collapse, due to science, you might want to.

I don't think it is right now but i mean that could change at any minute of course.

It could, but it's highly unlikely. Every first world country's religious population is shrinking. The only way religion could continue surviving is if religious countries take over non-religious countries.

Thankfully, that's unlikely as well.

[Dyakovo]

Good luck getting the atheists to agree.

Yeah, they literally make it a federal case when someone prays outside of their home.

You don't know what "literally" means, do you?

[Divair]

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

No, its not "just a theory", and many people's lives do depend on it.

It's not like our entire medical sector relies on our knowledge regarding evolution.

owait

[Divair]

Yeah, they literally make it a federal case when someone prays outside of their home.

You don't know what "literally" means, do you?

Fair to say he doesn't.

[Ostroeuropa]

No, its not "just a theory", and many people's lives do depend on it.

It's not like our entire medical sector relies on our knowledge regarding evolution.

owait

And our cattle raisers.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

Hydrothermal vents.


Eternal Inflation or the Brane Model.

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang. Because we agree that the universe was created as a result of the Big Bang? Would you care to comment on these excerpts I found:


The fine-tuning of the rate of universal expansion. Steven Hawking wrote: "If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present state." Slightly faster than the critical rate, and matter would have dispersed too rapidly to allow stars and galaxies to form. According to astrophysicist George Smoot the creation event was "finely orchestrated".

The critical ratio of the masses of the proton to the electron is finely adjusted. Says Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

The highly ordered initial state of the universe could not have come by chance. According to the calculation of Steve Hawking's associate, Roger Penrose, the highly ordered (low entropy) initial state of the universe is not something that could have occurred by even the wildest chance.

The balance and fine-tuning of the four fundamental forces in nature. Physicists speak of the the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Physicist Richard Morris writes: "Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life."

What are the chances that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place? Hoyle and Wickramasinghe calculated the odds at 1 in 10 40,000, a number far removed from the realm of finite possibilities.

Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson writes, "The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." NASA astronomer John O'Keefe says, "It is my view that these circumstances indicate that the universe was created for man to live in."

This is a thread about evolution. Yes a god or goddess may well have kicked it of. (I believe that) But evoution is simply somthing they put in place, there is not problem with beleiving in a god/godess and evolution.

PS: A pubble belives the hole it's in was made for it.