Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Torisakia]

It figures it has to be difficult.

Okay, how about this: Creationism and Evolutionism are both real depending on your beliefs. Can we all just damn agree on that and be happy?

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

[Tarvelia]

Oh my god, not another fucking evolution thread.


Evolution and Creationism both exist, can we all agree on that?

Good luck getting the atheists to agree.

Yeah, they literally make it a federal case when someone prays outside of their home.

[The Black Forrest]

No, since creationism is an unsupported claim.

It figures it has to be difficult.

Okay, how about this: Creationism and Evolutionism are both real depending on your beliefs. Can we all just damn agree on that and be happy?

Nope. Religion ala Creationism is a belief system. You just don't question aspects of it.

Evolution will change when new better evidence appears.

[Fintanland]

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult and act like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Wrong. Dead wrong. Every time a new disease evolves, your life DOES depend on it.

[Mavorpen]

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult and act like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Hahahahahahahahaha. No.

Many depend on evolution to live. No one depends on creationism to live.

[Vortropolis]

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult and act like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Hahahahahahahahaha. No.

Many depend on evolution to live. No one depends on creationism to live.

You guys realize he is not gonna respond to your post.

[Kingdoms of Cal]

sorry to quote myself..but we still don't now exactly how the machanics of gravity actually work. We have yet to detect gravity waves (as on theory suggest) or detect graviton as another suggest...We actually, probably, know more about evolution than gravity. We know it's base level (DNA), more than we do with gravity.

I never tried to say that we knew everything. I said the opposite.

OK your method, it says this in a book written by a comity in Rome (possibly updated by a king of the UK), everything in it is right...obviously no mistranslations or political stuff on the way.

Scientific method: See something come up with an idea how it works, someone see's something that makes the first idea wrong and points holes in the first idea. They come up with a new idea using the first thing seen and what they have seen. Rinse and repeat.

Which is more likely to be right in the end?


Ps: I asume you speak old greek (you know what the first versions of the bible were written in).
PPS: have you read it cover to cover?

[Great Nepal]

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

No, one is fact other is baseless idea in head.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory.

Okay, time to kill a kitten.

No one's life depends on it.

Funny you should mention that... seeing most of modern medicine and vaccination relies on evolution.

[Somali Caliphate]

Okay, can someone tell what the evidence for Evolution is?

Fuck it, evidence time.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/
http://www.txtwriter.com/backgrounders/ ... tents.html
http://bioweb.cs.earlham.edu/9-12/evolu ... /live.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... 0/lines_01
http://www.nature.com/nature/newspdf/evolutiongems.pdf
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... _tiktaalik
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... /devitt_01
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_23
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrar ... history_16
http://www.allaboutcreation.org/evidenc ... lution.htm
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/fitch/cours ... dence.html
http://www.imls.uzh.ch/research/noll/pu ... 73_785.pdf
http://www.cell.com/developmental-cell/ ... 0703003253
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/07/scien ... .html?_r=1
http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/221
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 1006000526
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/310/5746/287
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-WAHpC0Ah0
http://www.indiana.edu/~ensiweb/lessons/molb.ws.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 331a0.html
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 050603.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 071801.php
http://www.scripps.edu/newsandviews/e_20060327/evo.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... =pmcentrez
http://scienceray.com/biology/zoology/a ... maritimus/
http://facstaff.gpc.edu/~pgore/geology/ ... vation.pdf
http://www.nmsr.org/nylon.htm
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc ... l#atavisms

Oh my god, not another fucking evolution thread.
Evolution and Creationism both exist, can we all agree on that?

No.

Okay lets assume that these sources constitute evidence for Evolution. Where did the very first living organism come from? How did the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of the universe happen without an intelligent being?

[Torisakia]

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult and act like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Wrong. Dead wrong. Every time a new disease evolves, your life DOES depend on it.

Well how the hell am I suppose to know, I have a 43 in Biology.

As for a new disease, takes some freaking Robitussin. I don't think a life theory would be needed in this situation unless it was something like cancer.

[Ovisterra]

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

No, some of us act like scientists, some of us refuse to accept facts.

Your choice.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Actually, all of our lives depend on it. We wouldn't be around without evolution.

[Bojikami]

Good luck getting the atheists to agree.

Yeah, they literally make it a federal case when someone prays outside of their home.

I don't make a federal case. I silently call them idiots.

[Tlaceceyaya]

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

I'm done here. You people make this too difficult. Everyone acts like children when it comes to evolution vs. creationism.

Fact is, who cares? It's just a theory. No one's life depends on it.

Yeah. No one's life depends on scientists understanding evolution. Antibiotics never saved anyone. Norman Borlaug never helped starving people.

[Fremskrittsparti]

Nei.
Forgive me, mighty and all-knowing Atheists.

[Mavorpen]

Where did the very first living organism come from?

Hydrothermal vents.

How did the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of the universe happen without an intelligent being?

Eternal Inflation or the Brane Model.

[Ovisterra]

Wrong. Dead wrong. Every time a new disease evolves, your life DOES depend on it.

Well how the hell am I suppose to know, I have a 43 in Biology.

As for a new disease, takes some freaking Robitussin. I don't think a life theory would be needed in this situation unless it was something like cancer.

Flu viruses evolve and kill people.

[The Black Forrest]

No. Facts don't change just because you believe them.

It's just a theory.

This is why you fail.

No one's life depends on it.

Hmmm. So much for Epidemiology for starters.......

[Bojikami]

Nei.
Forgive me, mighty and all-knowing Atheists.

You are forgiven.

[Ovisterra]

Nei.
Forgive me, mighty and all-knowing Atheists.

Once again, it's not just atheists that can see the truth. I was a Christian and I knew.

[Fintanland]

Well how the hell am I suppose to know, I have a 43 in Biology.

As for a new disease, takes some freaking Robitussin. I don't think a life theory would be needed in this situation unless it was something like cancer.

Well, once you give up your apparently very sheltered life, you will see that there are a lot more serious and dangerous diseases than just cancer (which, by the way, is also a prime example of ultrafast evolution...)

[Mavorpen]

As for a new disease, takes some freaking Robitussin. I don't think a life theory would be needed in this situation unless it was something like cancer.

Cancer research DOES depend on evolution.

Also, the Robitussin made me lol.

[Farnhamia]

No, since creationism is an unsupported claim.

It figures it has to be difficult.

Okay, how about this: Creationism and Evolutionism are both real depending on your beliefs. Can we all just damn agree on that and be happy?

You're entitled to your own opinions. What you are not entitled to are your own facts. Evolution is supported by facts. Creationism is not.

[The Black Forrest]

Hahahahahahahahaha. No.

Many depend on evolution to live. No one depends on creationism to live.

You guys realize he is not gonna respond to your post.

Ahhh true.

But one can hope he uses that gooey matter in his skull and learn from the links provided.....

[Great Nepal]

Okay lets assume that these sources constitute evidence for Evolution.

No, seeing they are from scientists worth their pay and peer-reviewed stuff: lets accept it as evidence for evolution.

Where did the very first living organism come from?

Nothing to do with evolution. There are various competing theories regarding that though.

How did the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of the universe happen without an intelligent being?

Nothing to with evolution. There are various competing theories regarding that though.

[Somali Caliphate]

Where did the very first living organism come from?

Hydrothermal vents.

How did the Big Bang and the subsequent creation of the universe happen without an intelligent being?

Eternal Inflation or the Brane Model.

Okay, but what existed before the Big Bang. Because we agree that the universe was created as a result of the Big Bang? Would you care to comment on these excerpts I found:


The fine-tuning of the rate of universal expansion. Steven Hawking wrote: "If the rate of expansion one second after the big bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re-collapsed before it ever reached its present state." Slightly faster than the critical rate, and matter would have dispersed too rapidly to allow stars and galaxies to form. According to astrophysicist George Smoot the creation event was "finely orchestrated".

The critical ratio of the masses of the proton to the electron is finely adjusted. Says Hawking: "The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."

The highly ordered initial state of the universe could not have come by chance. According to the calculation of Steve Hawking's associate, Roger Penrose, the highly ordered (low entropy) initial state of the universe is not something that could have occurred by even the wildest chance.

The balance and fine-tuning of the four fundamental forces in nature. Physicists speak of the the four fundamental forces in nature: gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces. Physicist Richard Morris writes: "Every one of these forces must have just the right strength if there is to be any possibility of life."

What are the chances that all the functional proteins necessary for life might form in one place? Hoyle and Wickramasinghe calculated the odds at 1 in 10 40,000, a number far removed from the realm of finite possibilities.

Princeton physicist Freeman Dyson writes, "The more I examine the universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known we were coming." NASA astronomer John O'Keefe says, "It is my view that these circumstances indicate that the universe was created for man to live in."