Do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

[Immoren]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_e ... n.E2.80.9D

I'm getting the impression he's not really listening.

Eeyup.

[Rudie]

NSG is ludicrously easy to troll, yes.

[Farnhamia]

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

Where would you like your internet sent?

[Mini Reddish]

And even if it did, that doesn't address how such a vast number of organisms could have suddenly come into existence SIMULTANEOUSLY, whilst the layers before show hardly any complex organisms, except soft bodied organisms like worms.

Gross misuse of the word simultaneously there.

[Immoren]

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

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[Great Nepal]

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

Allright, we have been poe'd.
You have just won a internet.

[Dyakovo]

You would think he would at least have the decency to own up to just cut and pasting from Conservapedia.

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

You expect intellectual honesty from a creationist?

[Zottistan]

"Believe" isn't the verb I would use, but, for all intents and purposes, yes.

[Chinese Regions]

There's only two, Lamarckian and Darwinian, the latter has been proven numerous times Yes Evolution true, end of.Oh you are referring to how science does experiments to know what they already know? That's to prove to the dimwitted that what it tells us it is true. 46 People Humans are apes either way it is an undeniable fact. Oh do go on Oh my fucking god THREE? Evolution does not explain how life started, evolution explain why life changes. Also ask your non-existent god how he made people from dirt. I'd rather be descended from an ape than mud. Though if I recall correctly Muslims believe god made life from water don't they? Mutations exist and they exist. Natural selection determines which mutation/genes are best for the environment and carry it on the next generation. Evolution in a nutshell. Please, just see MRSA, the numerous strains of the flu virus and please don't give us that "micro-evolution" bullshit. For bigger examples, the white and black moths in the industrial revolution and how many breeds of dog exist again?

Lets not get rude. Yes, whilst the Lamarckian and the Darwinian models are the two main ones, there are numerous different theories within those two main models. That's what I meant. As for what you said about the new strains of flue, yes there are mutated, but they are not new species, just different sub species, just like different breeds of dogs. As for the numerous breeds of dogs that exist, humans domesticated and tamed the ancestors of dogs (which if I remember are wolves) and the numerous breeds came about as a result of selective breeding.

Oh sorry are your feelings hurt? Please explain how god created humans from dirt or water then come back to us.

Answer these questions for me, if anyone here can actually prove that Evolution is true (no BS answers, something that is logical please)

Why don't you answer ours?

How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

Evolution has nothing to do with how life started. Natural selection is not "blind chemistry" either. The point of life is basically to expand, create more life. That is why cells multiply and repair and that is why we reproduce. The mind, morality, intelligence, meaning and altruism are part of that.

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution?

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to gravity? Evolution isn't an invention. The stuff we've got from discovering that it occurs on the other hand; mapping the human genome, genetics and more.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years,

Because there environment didn't change. That is why we evolve, so we can adapt to our environment.

How did sex originate?

Sexual reproduction increases genetic diversity and technically speeds up the process of evolution.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

Evolution

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?

Are crystals designed? "patterns" emerge in nature, look at Fibonacci numbers and the golden ratio.

How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?

Natural selection, the mutations that fit best to the environment get passed on.

How did the DNA code originate?

Variation of RNA.

What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

RNA. Because it doesn't need too

The Theory of Evolution dictates that all organisms descended from single celled bacteria. Considering that bacteria is, and always has been, the most successful group of organisms, covering all areas of the globe in some of the most extreme environments, why would it have been advantageous to evolve into organisms that are so much more limited to the environments they can inhabit? Surely, staying as bacteria would be far more advantageous, due to their tolerence of extreme conditions, quick reproduction time, etc.

Not always

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

There is no "law of large numbers" and the Earth is not a closed system so the law of thermodynamics don't strictly apply. Again, crystals.

[Hurdegaryp]

You would think he would at least have the decency to own up to just cut and pasting from Conservapedia.

You expect intellectual honesty from a creationist?

Ah, so that's the only viable use for Conservapedia: a source of nonsense to be plagiarized by creationists.

[Somali Caliphate]

You guys do know that carbon 14 dating, which is what is mostly used to date fossils can be extremely inaccurate when dealing with vast time frames and having virtually no knowledge about the thing being dated. Right? Carbon 14 dating suggested that a living mollusk had died 3000 years ago. If you don't believe me than just look it up. Anyway, no one has yet answered any of my questions? Can I ask why you guys exist? I mean if you're just a bunch of animals as you suggest, then what is the value of living? You might as well all be nihilists.

If Evolution is true, what is advantageous about being moral, (in terms of survival) or speaking out against evil and being killed. Why are humans the only living things with a conscious, or the ability to speak and build civilizations? If Evolution is true, then surely other organisms would have developed these capabilities.

[Ifreann]

Answer these questions for me...

Write your own questions instead of plagiarising them and we'll consider it.

[Somali Caliphate]

Lets not get rude. Yes, whilst the Lamarckian and the Darwinian models are the two main ones, there are numerous different theories within those two main models. That's what I meant. As for what you said about the new strains of flue, yes there are mutated, but they are not new species, just different sub species, just like different breeds of dogs. As for the numerous breeds of dogs that exist, humans domesticated and tamed the ancestors of dogs (which if I remember are wolves) and the numerous breeds came about as a result of selective breeding.

Oh sorry are your feelings hurt? Please explain how god created humans from dirt or water then come back to us.

Answer these questions for me, if anyone here can actually prove that Evolution is true (no BS answers, something that is logical please)

Why don't you answer ours?

How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

Evolution has nothing to do with how life started. Natural selection is not "blind chemistry" either. The point of life is basically to expand, create more life. That is why cells multiply and repair and that is why we reproduce. The mind, morality, intelligence, meaning and altruism are part of that.

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution?

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to gravity? Evolution isn't an invention. The stuff we've got from discovering that it occurs on the other hand; mapping the human genome, genetics and more.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years,

Because there environment didn't change. That is why we evolve, so we can adapt to our environment.

How did sex originate?

Sexual reproduction increases genetic diversity and technically speeds up the process of evolution.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

Evolution

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?

Are crystals designed? "patterns" emerge in nature, look at Fibonacci numbers and the golden ratio.

How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?

Natural selection, the mutations that fit best to the environment get passed on.

How did the DNA code originate?

Variation of RNA.

What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

RNA. Because it doesn't need too

The Theory of Evolution dictates that all organisms descended from single celled bacteria. Considering that bacteria is, and always has been, the most successful group of organisms, covering all areas of the globe in some of the most extreme environments, why would it have been advantageous to evolve into organisms that are so much more limited to the environments they can inhabit? Surely, staying as bacteria would be far more advantageous, due to their tolerence of extreme conditions, quick reproduction time, etc.

Not always

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples), while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

There is no "law of large numbers" and the Earth is not a closed system so the law of thermodynamics don't strictly apply. Again, crystals.

You haven't answered my questions adequately and for many of them you just lied, hence showing you have nothing to show for Evolution. You guys keep on saying that oh we're not taking about the formation of life, but even if we assume that Evolution is true, you guys don't have an answer for how life formed.

[Rudie]

You guys do know that carbon 14 dating, which is what is mostly used to date fossils can be extremely inaccurate when dealing with vast time frames and having virtually no knowledge about the thing being dated. Right? Carbon 14 dating suggested that a living mollusk had died 3000 years ago. If you don't believe me than just look it up. Anyway, no one has yet answered any of my questions? Can I ask why you guys exist? I mean if you're just a bunch of animals as you suggest, then what is the value of living? You might as well all be nihilists.

If Evolution is true, what is advantageous about being moral, (in terms of survival) or speaking out against evil and being killed. Why are humans the only living things with a conscious, or the ability to speak and build civilizations? If Evolution is true, then surely other organisms would have developed these capabilities.

French fries are what the British people call chips. American Republicans were upset when France opposed Dubya’s war with Iraq. Then they started calling French fries, “Freedom fries”. Republicans think other sovereign countries shouldn’t have the freedom to oppose the United States. Therefore French fries became freedom fries. All that seems to make sense to Republicans.

[Hurdegaryp]

And even if it did, that doesn't address how such a vast number of organisms could have suddenly come into existence SIMULTANEOUSLY, whilst the layers before show hardly any complex organisms, except soft bodied organisms like worms.

80 million years...

Mister "quote Conservapedia until everybody else gives up" apparently sees 80 million years as way too short a time for a multitude of complex lifeforms to evolve. He'll just keep regurgitating massive blocks of text until everybody unconditionally agrees with his creationist views (ha!) or until this thread is closed by the moderators.

[Dyakovo]

Answer these questions for me, if anyone here can actually prove that Evolution is true (no BS answers, something that is logical please)

Why don't you answer ours?

He can't... He's just copying and pasting from Conservapedia...

[Ifreann]

You guys do know that carbon 14 dating, which is what is mostly used to date fossils can be extremely inaccurate when dealing with vast time frames and having virtually no knowledge about the thing being dated. Right?

Science is well aware of the limitations of radiometric dating using carbon 14. That's why they also use other isotopes, something your creationist cheat sheet may not have mentioned.

Anyway, no one has yet answered any of my questions?

They aren't your questions.

Can I ask why you guys exist? I mean if you're just a bunch of animals as you suggest, then what is the value of living? You might as well all be nihilists.

This thread is about evolution, not the meaning of life.

If Evolution is true, what is advantageous about being moral, (in terms of survival)

Helps us function as a society.

or speaking out against evil and being killed.

That could bring about a more secure future for your offspring and relatives, thus preserving your genetics.

Why are humans the only living things with a conscious, or the ability to speak and build civilizations? If Evolution is true, then surely other organisms would have developed these capabilities.

Evolution implies no such thing.

[Somali Caliphate]

Why don't you answer ours?

He can't... He's just copying and pasting from Conservapedia...

Fair enough I did copy and paste. But I'll stop if you guys stop posting things that make no sense, or which do not provide an adequately detailed explanation. For example, I asked how did the DNA originate and the response I got was RNA. Bloody useful that is!

[Ifreann]

You guys keep on saying that oh we're not taking about the formation of life, but even if we assume that Evolution is true, you guys don't have an answer for how life formed.

Nor do you. You have a story from a book that you're fond of. We, at least, can admit our ignorance and strive to learn more. Can you do the same?

[Ifreann]

He can't... He's just copying and pasting from Conservapedia...

Fair enough I did copy and paste. But I'll stop if you guys stop posting things that make no sense, or which do not provide an adequately detailed explanation. For example, I asked how did the DNA originate and the response I got was RNA. Bloody useful that is!

Do you expect us to give you a comprehensive education in biology here?

[Perlia]

Do you believe in the theory of evolution?I personally feel it's become more than a theory and is solid scientific fact but wanted to see how NS users personally feel about the matter.

In the scientific language, theory essentially means 'fact'. There is a significant difference between how the scentific community and most of the population uses the word.

And yes, I'm quite convinced of evolution.

[Sociobiology]

Answer these questions for me, if anyone here can actually prove that Evolution is true (no BS answers, something that is logical please)

I can

1. more organisms are born than survive
2. traits vary among organisms
3. some of those traits are heritable
4. thus by the laws of probability those with traits that make them better able to survive and reproduce will be more likely to pass those traits on to the next generation.

Also see the long term e-coli experiment
http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality?

you mean the same blind chemistry that does it with every single person after they are born?

Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution?

everything from vaccination of future viruses (flu shots) to biochemistry, to all of modern ecology, to modern psychology, neurology and cognitive studies.
you also have a lot of engineering an computer modeling based on evolutionary algorithmic.

How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years,

because the fossil is only the skeleton not the behavior or non-bone biochemistry

How did sex originate?

As a better way to exchange immunities.

How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate?

by evolving step wise, or combining separate sequences.

Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed?

because if they were designed it would be by a sadistic designer.
Also what does look like it was designed even mean?
does the regular spacing of trees in a forest look designed?

How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist?

by stacking over 10 trillion generations.

How did the DNA code originate?

from RNA, which self replicates and self assembles naturally.

What other coding system has existed without intelligent design?

All of chemistry

How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

from the RNA coding system which again is naturally occurring and based on the basic laws of chemistry.

The Theory of Evolution dictates that all organisms descended from single celled bacteria. Considering that bacteria is, and always has been, the most successful group of organisms, covering all areas of the globe in some of the most extreme environments, why would it have been advantageous to evolve into organisms that are so much more limited to the environments they can inhabit?

first see the wall effect, diversity can only go up from that point.
second, grouping makes it harder for other bacteria to eat you, There are dozens of other reasons but you only need one, it it is a doozy.

Surely, staying as bacteria would be far more advantageous, due to their tolerence of extreme conditions, quick reproduction time, etc.

you think all bacteria is the same species?

The Law of Large Numbers states that things tend to revert to their average over time (the large number of examples),

no it does not.

while evolution requires the opposite: that things become more complex and depart further from their average over time and large numbers of examples.

which is perfectly predicted by mathematics and probability.
randomizing effect (mutation) plus static limiting factor will result in more diversity away from the limiting factor. It is called the wall effect.
natural selection will drive this hundreds of times faster if there is an advantage which there usually is. Advantages like better ability to sequester resources, surviving changes in the environment, and resistance to predation.

[Mini Reddish]

Can I ask why you guys exist? I mean if you're just a bunch of animals as you suggest, then what is the value of living? You might as well all be nihilists.

If Evolution is true, what is advantageous about being moral, (in terms of survival) or speaking out against evil and being killed. Why are humans the only living things with a conscious, or the ability to speak and build civilizations? If Evolution is true, then surely other organisms would have developed these capabilities.

You can ask why we exist. You are more than welcome to do so, and it appears you already have. Also, the value of living, and life is incredibly subjective to each individual. Everyone can find a purpose and goal in their life for something to do which makes them feel fulfilled. I think the major consensus of life is for people to enjoy it. Have fun and look to create a better future for the next generation. There is a lot of value to life, if you actually bother to look at it beyond religion.

Also, there are many advantages to being moral. Things such as do not kill, or steal are very important in a tribal/communal sense as humans we are very sociable in nature, going from the hunter/gather stages we had to work together to survive in harsh conditions. It would be nonsensical for us to kill our own kind unless they themselves were a threat to the survival of the tribe or oneself. Again, stealing would be negative as it could lead to expulsion from the group, and we aren't equipped to survive as a single member. Our morals come from the desire to survive and protect our own interests and we achieve this by understanding that it's important to protect other people and their interests as we are dependent on those people.

Also, it is questionable as to whether we are the only ones with the ability to speak or even be the only ones with conscience . There have been records of dolphins using more complex forms of communications which I think could constitute as a primitive language. Also you have to remember, these things aren't considered a target for evolution, they are simply a by-product. Evolutionary processes are pretty merciless and random, they don't really have specific goals to create living beings with a conscious mind, or the ability to speak in complex languages.

[Sociobiology]

Do you believe in the theory of evolution?I personally feel it's become more than a theory and is solid scientific fact but wanted to see how NS users personally feel about the matter.

In the scientific language, theory essentially means 'fact'.

yes and no.

a fact in science is a simple repeated observation and can be wrong.
A theory is a rigorously tested predictive explanation of observations, and is the highest form of knowledge in science, they are highly unlikely to be incorrect.

There is a significant difference between how the scentific community and most of the population uses the word.

this is very true.

[Hurdegaryp]

It's a proven internet 'debating' tactic, actually. Just categorically deny everything the opponent says, cast aside every answer given to your questions as not being answers at all, ignore everything that truly is capable of derailing your information overload blitzkrieg and keep launching a barrage of questions that are actually not relevant within the context of this thread. Somali Caliphate is all that and probably a big hit with the ladies too.