Losing The Faith

[CVT Temp]

Of course, of course. But then again - you weren't there. I was.

Depending on the nature of what happened, personal experience can actually make your account less reliable instead of more.

[Tubbsalot]

Of course, of course. But then again - you weren't there. I was.

Your rich description of the event transported us there, though. So we are perfectly capable of saying that 'impossible odds' are never going to be beaten, on account of how they're impossible to beat, and non-impossible odds will occasionally be beaten.

It seems such an alien thing to say "whew! that impossible situation was not actually impossible after all! i suppose the fault was not my own assessment, but that I hadn't accepted the lord jesus christ into my heart, amen."

[Tlaceceyaya]

Buddhist. Karma and reincarnation seem quite real. There is no 'God' 'heaven' or 'hell' but we as humans can achieve nirvana which is kinda like heaven. Or become evil spirits in neraka (state of mindless pain and suffering). As a lot more people say Buddhism is a philosophy and Buddhism doesn't have much of the base like other religions.

So you could say Buddhists are moralistic spiritual atheists/agnostics

Prove it, then.

[Mavorpen]

Prove it, then.

I can't wait for that.

[Khadgar]

Buddhist. Karma and reincarnation seem quite real. There is no 'God' 'heaven' or 'hell' but we as humans can achieve nirvana which is kinda like heaven. Or become evil spirits in neraka (state of mindless pain and suffering). As a lot more people say Buddhism is a philosophy and Buddhism doesn't have much of the base like other religions.

So you could say Buddhists are moralistic spiritual atheists/agnostics :lol:

When I was a teenager, couple years older than the OP, I looked into Buddhism, specifically Chan Buddhism (Zen). I read Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch, and that was the most horrifically difficult book I've ever read. Wish i knew where the hell my copy went. I can't believe in reincarnation, simply because there's no way to prove it. Also we the currently alive humans outnumber every human who has ever died.

[Maudlnya]

Buddhist. Karma and reincarnation seem quite real. There is no 'God' 'heaven' or 'hell' but we as humans can achieve nirvana which is kinda like heaven. Or become evil spirits in neraka (state of mindless pain and suffering). As a lot more people say Buddhism is a philosophy and Buddhism doesn't have much of the base like other religions.

So you could say Buddhists are moralistic spiritual atheists/agnostics

Prove it, then.

Should I? I'm tired today....

Fine


First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

[Norsklow]

Of course, of course. But then again - you weren't there. I was.

Your rich description of the event transported us there, though. So we are perfectly capable of saying that 'impossible odds' are never going to be beaten, on account of how they're impossible to beat, and non-impossible odds will occasionally be beaten.

It seems such an alien thing to say "whew! that impossible situation was not actually impossible after all! i suppose the fault was not my own assessment, but that I hadn't accepted the lord jesus christ into my heart, amen."

See you in the next low intensity conflict, bud.

[Mavorpen]

First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

None.

Now prove it please.

[Maudlnya]

Buddhist. Karma and reincarnation seem quite real. There is no 'God' 'heaven' or 'hell' but we as humans can achieve nirvana which is kinda like heaven. Or become evil spirits in neraka (state of mindless pain and suffering). As a lot more people say Buddhism is a philosophy and Buddhism doesn't have much of the base like other religions.

So you could say Buddhists are moralistic spiritual atheists/agnostics

When I was a teenager, couple years older than the OP, I looked into Buddhism, specifically Chan Buddhism (Zen). I read Platform Sutra of the Sixth Patriarch, and that was the most horrifically difficult book I've ever read. Wish i knew where the hell my copy went. I can't believe in reincarnation, simply because there's no way to prove it. Also we the currently alive humans outnumber every human who has ever died.

Well how about karma? I am sure that makes more sense no?

[Tubbsalot]

See you in the next low intensity conflict, bud.

Unlikely. I don't plan on entering the military. Nor do I see the relevance of this comment.

[Mavorpen]

Well how about karma? I am sure that makes more sense no?

If you're thinking of the Karma I think you're thinking of, then no, it doesn't.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Prove it, then.

Should I? I'm tired today....

Fine


First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

You really are tired. Look literally right below my post. You'll see that I practice no religion.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Should I? I'm tired today....

Fine


First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

You really are tired. Look literally right below my post. You'll see that I practice no religion.

Determinist Heathen! Thou shalt know of nihilism in all its glory soon enough!

[Maudlnya]

First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

None.

Now prove it please.

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

[CVT Temp]

Well how about karma? I am sure that makes more sense no?

It depends on what you mean by karma. I think cause-and-effect is often, but not always, true, at least classically. However, I don't think that this kind of cause-and-effect is inherently just or fair. I don't think anything in the universe ensures that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people.

[Mavorpen]

None.

Now prove it please.

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

Which Karma are you talking about? The "justice system" karma or the "this produces consequences" Karma?

I don't take hypnotherapy all that seriously.

[Maudlnya]

Should I? I'm tired today....

Fine


First may I ask, what faith do you practice?

You really are tired. Look literally right below my post. You'll see that I practice no religion.

Oh my... Orz I feel bleh today sorrylook below.

None.

Now prove it please.

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

[Norsklow]

See you in the next low intensity conflict, bud.

Unlikely. I don't plan on entering the military. Nor do I see the relevance of this comment.

My point exactly. Tis a thing beyond your ken.

[CVT Temp]

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

I don't feel mean enough to argue against this. I'm in too good of a mood to be an asshole right now.

[Maudlnya]

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

Which Karma are you talking about? The "justice system" karma or the "this produces consequences" Karma?

Consequences...

Also I can't further my arguement of reincarnation too sleepy....

[Maudlnya]

Have you done something bad before and it chases you down the hall? That's karma.

Through hypnotherapy one can see previous memories of what could be life in another body. That is a very dull and vauge explanation for reicartnation.

I don't feel mean enough to argue against this. I'm in too good of a mood to be an asshole right now.

Nah it's okay too tired to argue in first place

[CVT Temp]

My point exactly. Tis a thing beyond your ken.

So your argument is "I was in the military and you weren't, therefore god."?

[Mavorpen]

Which Karma are you talking about? The "justice system" karma or the "this produces consequences" Karma?

Consequences...

That's fine. Reincarnation though, is quite silly.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Which Karma are you talking about? The "justice system" karma or the "this produces consequences" Karma?

Consequences...

What about murderers who died without being caught?
What about good people who were murdered violently?

[CVT Temp]

Consequences...

Well yeah, that exists, basically. The present state of the universe effects its future evolution, though the evolution is not deterministic w.r.t. classical observables. It can only be deterministic w.r.t. the wave-function.