Losing The Faith

[Polonia and Litvania]

Buddhist. Karma and reincarnation seem quite real. There is no 'God' 'heaven' or 'hell' but we as humans can achieve nirvana which is kinda like heaven. Or become evil spirits in neraka (state of mindless pain and suffering). As a lot more people say Buddhism is a philosophy and Buddhism doesn't have much of the base like other religions.

So you could say Buddhists are moralistic spiritual atheists/agnostics

Prove it, then.

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

[CVT Temp]

What about murderers who died without being caught?
What about good people who were murdered violently?

He's talking about cause-and-effect karma, not justice karma.

[Mavorpen]

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

That's the problem. Buddhists aren't supposed to believe based on faith alone. Buddha was explicitly against that.

[CVT Temp]

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

This really isn't true. There are plenty of observations which could, at least in principle, establish the existence of higher beings.

[Maudlnya]

Consequences...

What about murderers who died without being caught?
What about good people who were murdered violently?

That brings us to reincarnation my friend. They would suffer the conseqences the next life

As the ones murdered violently, they get reincarnated.

[Maudlnya]

Prove it, then.

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

yes death is true.... The only thing that is true

[Mavorpen]

What about murderers who died without being caught?
What about good people who were murdered violently?

That brings us to reincarnation my friend. They would suffer the conseqences the next life

As the ones murdered violently, they get reincarnated.

Do you have any tangible evidence for reincarnation?

You do know that reincarnation is not an inherent Buddhist belief, right?

[Maudlnya]

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

That's the problem. Buddhists aren't supposed to believe based on faith alone. Buddha was explicitly against that.

Yup

[Polonia and Litvania]

That was possibly one of the funniest things I've read today. The good thing about faith is you are literally incapable of proving anything right or wrong. The only way for that to happen is, well, dying.

That's the problem. Buddhists aren't supposed to believe based on faith alone. Buddha was explicitly against that.

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

[Khadgar]

Consequences...

What about murderers who died without being caught?
What about good people who were murdered violently?

Honestly without reincarnation, karma is pretty meaningless. If I recall correctly, you're supposed to try and maintain detachment from the world, and thus neutral karma, doing so means you'll break the reincarnation cycle.

[Maudlnya]

That brings us to reincarnation my friend. They would suffer the conseqences the next life

As the ones murdered violently, they get reincarnated.

Do you have any tangible evidence for reincarnation?

You do know that reincarnation is not an inherent Buddhist belief, right?

It is also Hindu, Shinto, and Tao if I'm not mistaken

[Mavorpen]

That's the problem. Buddhists aren't supposed to believe based on faith alone. Buddha was explicitly against that.

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

Nonsense, Buddhism has had quite a violent past. It was the religion of the samurai for Gautama's sake.

What do you mean by backup?

[Norsklow]

Do you have any tangible evidence for reincarnation?

You do know that reincarnation is not an inherent Buddhist belief, right?

It is also Hindu, Shinto, and Tao if I'm not mistaken

And Druze.

[Mavorpen]

Do you have any tangible evidence for reincarnation?

You do know that reincarnation is not an inherent Buddhist belief, right?

It is also Hindu, Shinto, and Tao if I'm not mistaken

But not a BUDDHIST belief. Rebirth is an inherent Buddhist belief, not reincarnation. Reincarnation requires a soul, something that Buddha did not claim to to exist.

[Maudlnya]

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

Nonsense, Buddhism has had quite a violent past. It was the religion of the samurai for Gautama's sake.

What do you mean by backup?

Well there are several sects of Buddhism.... Look it up

[Khadgar]

That's the problem. Buddhists aren't supposed to believe based on faith alone. Buddha was explicitly against that.

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

That is ridiculously untrue. Now, if you want to get all No True Scotsman about it you can. You could even say the violent ones are missing the point completely, but Buddhists have been perpetrators of violence.

[Maudlnya]

It is also Hindu, Shinto, and Tao if I'm not mistaken

But not a BUDDHIST belief. Rebirth is an inherent Buddhist belief, not reincarnation. Reincarnation requires a soul, something that Buddha did not claim to to exist.

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Crap

I meant rebirth all this time *facedesk* mybrainisnotworking

[Mavorpen]

Nonsense, Buddhism has had quite a violent past. It was the religion of the samurai for Gautama's sake.

What do you mean by backup?

Well there are several sects of Buddhism.... Look it up

Quite honestly the main reason sects exist is because Buddhism is easy to diffuse into the culture of the society it is introduced in. The culture of the society and the core beliefs of Buddhism mesh together to produce new sects.

[Mavorpen]

But not a BUDDHIST belief. Rebirth is an inherent Buddhist belief, not reincarnation. Reincarnation requires a soul, something that Buddha did not claim to to exist.

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Crap

I meant rebirth all this time *facedesk* mybrainisnotworking

I don't think so... what you described is reincarnation (people being punished in the next life).

[Maudlnya]

Well there are several sects of Buddhism.... Look it up

Quite honestly the main reason sects exist is because Buddhism is easy to diffuse into the culture of the society it is introduced in. The culture of the society and the core beliefs of Buddhism mesh together to produce new sects.

Also... Buddha said try not to act in violence.

[Maudlnya]

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Crap

I meant rebirth all this time *facedesk* mybrainisnotworking

I don't think so... what you described is reincarnation (people being punished in the next life).

Well then my brain is half working. Rebirth+Karma=reincarnation apparently

[Mavorpen]

Quite honestly the main reason sects exist is because Buddhism is easy to diffuse into the culture of the society it is introduced in. The culture of the society and the core beliefs of Buddhism mesh together to produce new sects.

Also... Buddha said try not to act in violence.

Which didn't stop samurai from making Zen their religion.

[Maudlnya]

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

That is ridiculously untrue. Now, if you want to get all No True Scotsman about it you can. You could even say the violent ones are missing the point completely, but Buddhists have been perpetrators of violence.

Violence as self defence my friend

[Polonia and Litvania]

Buddhism's probably one of the best religions because of the complete lack of violence it has ever had. Siddhartha Gautama was a brilliant theologian in my opinion. I believe the back-up for Buddhism is the 4 Noble Truths, correct? Which are pretty sound to most people's point of view.

That is ridiculously untrue. Now, if you want to get all No True Scotsman about it you can. You could even say the violent ones are missing the point completely, but Buddhists have been perpetrators of violence.

Really? I've never heard of any major religious strife where Buddhists were involved. I suppose you learn something everyday.

[Maudlnya]

Also... Buddha said try not to act in violence.

Which didn't stop samurai from making Zen their religion.

basically the violence was a form of self defence