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Should spec ops be allowed to go back to civilian lives?

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:14 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Participation in the military should be a literal lifetime commitment, except for those who become conscientious objectors after they join. That way, the military's pernicious values cannot infect a free society, and perhaps fewer people will join to boot.


Are you serious or are you being sarcastic...

I can never tell...


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Postby Samuraikoku » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:16 am

Civilian lives? In the grim darkness of the spec-ops, there is only war.

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Postby Wabacha » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:16 am

Meatshields. Delicious. Although I think near everyone will object to meatshields. Rights and freedoms and all that stuff.

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Postby Muckistania » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:16 am

Of course spec opp troops should be allowed to go back to civilian life. :eyebrow:

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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:17 am

Wabacha wrote:Meatshields. Delicious. Although I think near everyone will object to meatshields. Rights and freedoms and all that stuff.

Why do you think we have special forces?
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:21 am

No, they should be confined in an Italianate village in Wales.
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Postby Wabacha » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:22 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Wabacha wrote:Meatshields. Delicious. Although I think near everyone will object to meatshields. Rights and freedoms and all that stuff.

Why do you think we have special forces?

Ha! Quite valuable meatshields they are. Although if the nations were better at diplomacy special meatshields wouldn't be needed.

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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:23 am

yes and given rights to extra-judicially excute terror suspects.
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Postby Albion Rhodesia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:25 am

Phoenix2012 wrote:Should spec ops be allowed to go back to civilian lives?
They might have been exposed to traumatic experiences, so what do you think?


Regardless of your Regiment, Unit, Corps etc, eventually all personnel hit that point in their career where they know that they've done their time, and that it's high time to transition to the civilian life. Now with some veterans, that transition is simple enough as performing their initial contract and getting out, while others put in their full 20+. However at the end of the day, each individual depending on their experiences, may or may not stay beyond their initial engagement(which is ok, since the lifestyle is definitely not meant for all), however the choice to stay or go, at the end of the day needs to be that the service member.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:28 am

Phoenix2012 wrote:Should spec ops be allowed to go back to civilian lives?
They might have been exposed to traumatic experiences, so what do you think?


Whyever not? Did they cease to be people, did they cease to be citizens? Hell no, they didn't!

Far better to offer better counselling and other veterans healthcare. Better, make counselling mandatory post-operation. That should hopefully catch the PTSD before it has much time to develop.
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Postby Albion Rhodesia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:30 am

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Participation in the military should be a literal lifetime commitment, except for those who become conscientious objectors after they join. That way, the military's pernicious values cannot infect a free society, and perhaps fewer people will join to boot.


You've obviously never been in the service, otherwise you would not utter such an ignorant statement!
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Postby Shard_Head » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:00 am

Albion Rhodesia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Participation in the military should be a literal lifetime commitment, except for those who become conscientious objectors after they join. That way, the military's pernicious values cannot infect a free society, and perhaps fewer people will join to boot.


You've obviously never been in the service, otherwise you would not utter such an ignorant statement!


This kind of go to answer that is constantly whipped out by military types makes me believe that maybe FDBs comment isn't quite as crazy as it first appeared.

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Postby Phoenix2012 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:00 am

Thank you all for expressing your opinions, There were good points for both sides, keep posting your opinions.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:03 am

I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed into civilian lives again; and even if they do have some form of PTSD, they should be cared for rather than shunned.

And why special operations soldiers in particular? Yes they're in more demanding environments, but they are trained for that and often have alot of experiance behind them. Are you suggesting that Andy Mcnab should have stayed in the SAS all his life?
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:05 am

Phoenix2012 wrote:There were good points for both sides, keep posting your opinions.

Actually, you posted this in the wrong place, and never stated your own opinion. You need to contribute here - it's not a post-and-run-away kinda place.

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Postby Albion Rhodesia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:06 am

Shard_Head wrote:
Albion Rhodesia wrote:
You've obviously never been in the service, otherwise you would not utter such an ignorant statement!


This kind of go to answer that is constantly whipped out by military types makes me believe that maybe FDBs comment isn't quite as crazy as it first appeared.


Have you ever been in any branch?
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Postby Dyonis » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:06 am

Don't they already have that right? Are you trying to find arguments in favor of stealing rights from special ops?

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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:08 am

Not only should they be allowed, but considering what they do for their country, they should be given a great deal of respect and consideration when they do.
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Postby Neo Art » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:11 am

Spec ops by their nature tend to be less taumatizing then the lives lived by normal soldiers..
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Postby Shard_Head » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:15 am

Albion Rhodesia wrote:
Shard_Head wrote:
This kind of go to answer that is constantly whipped out by military types makes me believe that maybe FDBs comment isn't quite as crazy as it first appeared.


Have you ever been in any branch?


Fortunately I made the right choices in life (ish). Unfortunately I had to experience their effects.

Thanks for retyping the culprit argument for the clarity of all, though.

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Postby Veceria » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:36 am

Spec Ops? Like, people that went through a very special operational treatment in hospital?

Any member of any military branch should be able to go back to their civilian lives once the left the military. Not allowing them to do so would be an infringement of their basic human rights.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:56 pm

Yes, they should. But preferably only once they have undergone a psychological examination showing they aren't a danger to themselves or others, even if it's a short 1 or 2 hour examination, that might catch one or two who are suffering PTSD or some kind of psychosis
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Glorious Freedonia wrote:This is the worst thread ever.

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Postby The Corparation » Fri Nov 09, 2012 1:08 pm

No, not at all we should put them back into their wooden crates and shove them into wearhouses until they're needed. Letting them retire and go back to their families like human beings is a ridiculous concept. I mean who knows, they could integrate back into society as the bulk of former soldiers do, I mean its not like they're people is it?
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