And Here We Go: Presidential Election Day 2012

[Sylesya]

Rachel Maddow called Chris Mathews unbiased.

Okay. Let's just take this at face value for the time being.

And this proves...?

ummmmm...... this...

They don't claim that Chris Matthews is unbiased. That's the difference. FOX News is not news. Most of it isn't even true.

[Jocabia]

Admitted what? That it's sleazy? That it wasn't illegal. People weren't claiming he broke the law. They were claiming he is a perfect example of why the law needs to be changed.

No. Talking about what he is hiding.

He is hiding something. Even his father, his actual father, said we shouldn't trust someone who refuses to show his taxes. And we don't. He left us to speculate because he refuses to fill in the blanks. Just like he left us to speculate on what loopholes he's going to close. Just like he left us to speculate on most of his policies.

Still not a conspiracy. Please look that word up and start over.

[The Not So Communal Kommune]

Rachel Maddow called Chris Mathews unbiased.

What is he unbiased about? What was she referring to when she said he was unbiased?

Chris Mathews, "an unbiased political commentator".

[Gauthier]

He didn't pay enough. That's not a conspiracy. He paid less than I did. He paid less than everyone who works, because payroll taxes are more than he pays.

The charges are also not a conspiracy.

Joe Soptic's wife died. That happened. They claimed it was related to his losing his insurance as a result of Bain's treatment. That's not a conspiracy. You may disagree with it (as did many of the anchors on MSNBC, in fact), but it's not a conspiracy. The facts of it were true. It's simply a question of whether or not those facts lead to the conclusion suggested by the ad.

I think if you don't know what "conspiracy" means that you should stop using the word.

In regard to Joe Soptic, his wife still had a job that provided insurance for her until 2003. Romney left Bain in 1999. The steel mill was closed in 2001. Explain.

And yet documents Romney released stated that he still owned Bain around 2001. 'Splain.

[TaQud]

amazing how I mention Hardball and we get into an argument of Chris Matthews being unbiased...

[Gauthier]

What is he unbiased about? What was she referring to when she said he was unbiased?

Chris Mathews, "an unbiased political commentator".

Again, sauce.

[The Emerald Dawn]

amazing how I mention Hardball and we get into an argument of Chris Matthews being unbiased...

I blame Bush.

[Jocabia]

Okay. Let's just take this at face value for the time being.

And this proves...?

ummmmm...... this...

They don't claim that Chris Matthews is unbiased. That's the difference. FOX News is not news. Most of it isn't even true.

Rachel Maddow is not a news anchor. She doesn't claim to be. She's a pundit. So is Matthews. And both of them claim it proudly. FOX News claims their pundits are unbiased news anchors. If the only one saying FOX was unbiased was Rush Limbaugh then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Gauthier]

amazing how I mention Hardball and we get into an argument of Chris Matthews being unbiased...

Because hipsters trying to say "MSNBC = FOXNews lol". *nod nod*

[The Not So Communal Kommune]

In regard to Joe Soptic, his wife still had a job that provided insurance for her until 2003. Romney left Bain in 1999. The steel mill was closed in 2001. Explain.

And yet documents Romney released stated that he still owned Bain around 2001. 'Splain.

That doesn't mean he made the decisions. He owned the company did not lead the company.

[Cannot think of a name]

Okay. Let's just take this at face value for the time being.

And this proves...?

ummmmm...... this...

They don't claim that Chris Matthews is unbiased. That's the difference. FOX News is not news. Most of it isn't even true.

So, Rachel Maddow at some undefined point after the first presidential debate (where Chris Mathews lost his shit at Obama) called Chris Mathews unbiased about some ill-defined thing and this somehow proves that MSNBC bills a former staffer for Jimmy Carter as unbiased on the same level as FOX news to such a degree that finding a few people admitting to having MSNBC on in the background while they make fun of the hosts is a 'gotcha'?

I'm really confused as to the broader picture here, that's where the question comes from. We're quibbling details on an ill-defined argument.

[The Not So Communal Kommune]

ummmmm...... this...

Rachel Maddow is not a news anchor. She doesn't claim to be. She's a pundit. So is Matthews. And both of them claim it proudly. FOX News claims their pundits are unbiased news anchors. If the only one saying FOX was unbiased was Rush Limbaugh then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Well, she still has the The Rachel Maddow Show.

[Jocabia]

What is he unbiased about? What was she referring to when she said he was unbiased?

Chris Mathews, "an unbiased political commentator".

Ah, so she referred to him as a pundit. Just like I did. Again, neither he nor she are claiming to be the News.

[The Not So Communal Kommune]

Chris Mathews, "an unbiased political commentator".

Ah, so she referred to him as a pundit. Just like I did. Again, neither he nor she are claiming to be the News.

Then why did she call him that?

[Jocabia]

Rachel Maddow is not a news anchor. She doesn't claim to be. She's a pundit. So is Matthews. And both of them claim it proudly. FOX News claims their pundits are unbiased news anchors. If the only one saying FOX was unbiased was Rush Limbaugh then we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Well, she still has the The Rachel Maddow Show.

Yes, a punditry show. Not news. Just like no one is complaining about Rush Limbaugh, who also has a show, being the news. Because he's not and he's not claiming he is. FOX News programs are masquerading as news.

[Wilgrove]

I think I'll check in on this thread again at 8pm when the coverages begins.

[Jocabia]

Ah, so she referred to him as a pundit. Just like I did. Again, neither he nor she are claiming to be the News.

Then why did she call him that?

An unbiased pundit? Because she thinks he isn't biased, I'm guessing. She didn't call him an unbiased news anchor did she? Come back when she did.

[Neutraligon]

I think I'll check in on this thread again at 8pm when the coverages begins.

Coverage already began on CNN.

[Blouman Empire]

I think I'll check in on this thread again at 8pm when the coverages begins.

CNN started their coverage nearly 12 hours ago.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I think I'll check in on this thread again at 8pm when the coverages begins.

CNN started their coverage nearly 12 hours months ago.

FTFY

[Reploid Productions]

I sincerely hope the Republicans lose tonight so the sane members will get off their collective asses and do something about the teabagging douchebags that have hijacked the party.

Election day doesn't mean you can go off on the trollish political nicknaming. You're welcome to dislike the Tea Party, however things like the bolded are not cool. Knock it off, lest you find yourself on the business end of a banhammer.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Sane Outcasts]

I think I'll check in on this thread again at 8pm when the coverages begins.

CNN started their coverage nearly 12 hours ago.

Have they covered anything factual or is it a bunch of talking heads improvising commentary for hours on end?

[AiliailiA]

Who is this Joe Soptic guy? Is he a plumber?

[Jocabia]

And yet documents Romney released stated that he still owned Bain around 2001. 'Splain.

That doesn't mean he made the decisions. He owned the company did not lead the company.

So you want to argue that people who own companies should not be considered responsible for their failures and successes? Really? Wasn't a large portion of Romney's campaign about he "building that" was so important. Can't have it both ways.

[TaQud]

Better get your coffee ready Reploid. Going to be a long night guarding the election thread...