And Here We Go: Presidential Election Day 2012

[Khadgar]

He led a company so well it required a government bailout. Bravo.

He lead it to prosperity after he left did it start to collapse.

No, sorry.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20120829
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/3 ... 43601.html
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/bains_s ... t_bailout/

Hmm.

[Polkopia]

My god you sound just like MSNBC.

If by that you mean telling the truth, then yes, yes we do. And hey you sound just like FOX, never let the truth get in the way of partisan hackery.

So you're saying that you actually buy into that MSNBC liberal-biased bullshit?

But then you criticize someone for liking FOX news...

Hypocrite...?

[Khadgar]

If by that you mean telling the truth, then yes, yes we do. And hey you sound just like FOX, never let the truth get in the way of partisan hackery.

So you're saying that you actually buy into that MSNBC liberal-biased bullshit?

But then you criticize someone for liking FOX news...

Hypocrite...? :roll:

I think you're confused.

[Polkopia]

I think you're confused.

Care to elaborate?

[Vettrera]

Obama was raised by a single parent and found a way to make a name for himself. He came from nothing, Romney is the one that hasn't struggled. He spent his teen years bullying gays.
But of course, dogmatic people never can tell fact from fabrication.

My god you sound just like MSNBC.

I guess that makes you FOX News

Unfair Unbalanced and Against Change

[TaQud]

anyone else see Chris apologize?

[Khadgar]

Care to elaborate?

I never said MSNBC had a liberal bias, so your attack on me was not only completely unwarranted, it was rather stupid.

Wait, you mean that I believe MSNBC's liberal bias? I'm confused. Maybe I'm not parsing your natter correctly.

[AiliailiA]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

Well, I convinced some guy in FL to vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson last night.. So I feel that I've done something to advance Romney's upcoming victory.

Can't wait to see Florida and Ohio go red

I prefer Silver's analysis, myself.

I prefer Fox News' reliable and non-biased analysists instead. Silver has gotten a bit lazy, he won't be predicting this election correctly. Mark my words.

☑ Fox News visible on TV
☑ Lots of snacks available
☑ No school until 1pm tomorrow
☑ Comfortable position on the couch
☑ Twitter and NSG tabs open on my iPhone

Romney 2012, here I come!

Honestly can't wait until tomorrow. I'm usually not one to laugh at people, but the arrogance of some of the Romney supporters makes it impossible to pass up the opportunity to shout "FUCK YEAH! YOU WERE WRONG! DEAL WITH IT! FOUR YEARS OF PROGRESS!"

Four years of Obama's weak foreign policy and destructive economic policy is not "progress"

Maybe they'll split. Or get replaced. Or start moving back to the center.

That's what's going to happen to the Democrats.

This is a sad day for America. Instead of common American people coming together and voting for a president, it was minorities, special interest groups, middle-class leftist college students living on their parents' money who decided the outcome of this election. This is truly a sad day, and a huge setback for economic recovery.

Still, each easy to see other reasons behind Romney's defeat. Liberal media bias clearly favoring Obama over Romney, voter intimidation, perhaps even election fraud committed by Democrats are all reasons why the right, American candidate did not win. Luckily, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House even if they did not win the Senate. This will allow the Republicans to salvage what they can, and at least poses a major obstacle to completely turn the US into a economically wrecked, left-wing ''I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR MONEY!!'' ''welfare'' state. If the Republicans stay strong against the tide of leftist liberals and their outrageous demands, the 2016 election victory is guaranteed.

Right now, there are two different paths for the Republicans to take. Republicans could offer a hand across the aisle, outcome partisan differences and start working on the deficit together.. Or, if Obama remains stubborn, the Republicans can halt all progress until the Democrats stop drifting further and further to left and realize that the regulations and huge tax increases must be cut IMMIDIATELY.

Regarding the Tea Party, it's a complex thing. On the other hand, the Tea Party forced some very good candidates like Rick Perry (believe me, Rick Perry was indeed more moderate during his governorship) who could have had more charisma against Obama adopt more radical positions, mainly on social issues. On the other hand, picking the most moderate candidate wasn't necessarily the best bet, as the entire Republican Party could not rally behind him and give him their full support. I'm not even gonna discuss Ron Paul, their supporters are traitors and a disgrace to the GOP.

Overall, today was a sad day, but all is not lost. By staying firm against special interest groups and demanding real change and reducing the deficit, the Republicans can make sure that all is not lost and the economy won't be fully destroyed under the next four, sad and destructive years of Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh, and Maine, Washington and Maryland legalized gay marriage. That's a good thing as well,

Keep your face still, I'm having difficulty feeding on your tears.

Keep those tears coming.

Get your place at the queue, and please sign this form.

Mods, this is appropriate behavior yet a guy who said ''suck it liberals'' earlier in this thread got an unofficial warning. Really?

Please clarify.

Are you saying that minorities are not 'common American people'?

Are you saying that women - the majority of whom voted for Obama - are not 'common American people'?

Are you claiming that middle class university students are not 'common American people'?

Because it very much sounds right now as if you're defining 'common American people' as white men over the age of 40.


And are you seriously claiming that there are no special interest groups supporting the Republican Party?

I am saying that it's the common, working class American people who have built our industry, our companies and our economic success that are real Americans.

25-year old transgendered pansexuals who participate in OWS rallies, have a CPUSA member card and who have been studying African American women's literature in an university for the past seven years are not real Americans. Yeah, that was a huge extraggeration, but people like that who have no respect for the Constitution or the principles that the United States was founded on and the Republican Party stands for are not real, traditional Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Keep the tears rolling.

Yeah, true Americans stand for what the United States was founded on. Since people who voted for Obama do not stand for those principles, they can't be considered real Americans. Attempting to turn America into a center-left social democratic hellhole that many liberal college students are doing is nothing but of treason, and America does not need traitors.

The Patriot Act was such a protection of my rights.

It was. You and your family haven't been killed lately due to terrorists, amirite? Then your rights have been protected.

Or the Arab profiling.

Good. Israel already does it.

Or the ultrasounds.

That sucks, I admit that

Or the military no-bid contracts.

Moar info plox

It's almost as if society is evolving or something.

In 236 years, new attitudes and ideas have emerged?!? What sorcery is this?!

These new values are not evolution of old values; they are ideals which seek to destroy the clear principles that the America was founded on and that is written in the Constitution; the piece of paper that liberals and minorities like to ignore, or at best, spit on it.

The Republican strategy of "Only white men" cannot work anymore.

Oh it will. Romney was a part of the generation that grew up in the 60's, with hippies, rock music and recreational drugs. Now those people are the very people who are leading the Republicans. I'm 100% sure that the brightest days of the Grand Old Party are still ahead.

And what are these principles? Please, enlighten us with your Finnish knowledge.

Sure.

Freedom. Freedom to start a business without being strangled by regulations and unions. Freedom to own property and industry without the government leeching off you. Freedom to be the master of your own destiny without the government telling what you must and mustn't do.

Prosperity. Prosperity created by job creators mustn't be endangered by Obama's left-wing policies.

Pursuit of happiness. Everyone must have an equal chance to succeed. This does not mean affirmative action or more rights for special interests groups; this means that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of sex, gender, age, race or sexual orientation.

Unity. All Americans are united as Americans, and should do their best to defend the values enshrined in the Constitution together.

Right now, Obama isn't respecting any of these values. In fact, he, along with all other Democrats spit on them.

You're Finnish. Quit talking like you're an actual American.

Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

I want to see your birth certificate.

I don't really care about birth certificates, it's your allegiance that matters. People who are so willing to trample on the Constitution do not deserve American citizenship, but ones who are still fighting to defend it, no matter what country they're in, certainly deserve it.

He could always move here. I mean he's white, he's from the upper class, getting in would be easy. Of course then he might care about the disastrous economic policies of the people he supports.

Not really, getting a Green Card is next to impossible for a Finn which is very, very depressing and frustrating

1) Family: Nope, no family in North America whatsoever, except for a few distant cousins in Canada. Getting married really isn't an option for me right now, so nope
2) Work: There are no jobs for Americans, let alone for foreigners. We can thank Obama for that. If only Romney had won, the unemployement rate would start falling and I'd have at least some hope of getting a work visa after college, so nope
3) Asylum: Unfortunately, living in a social democratic hellhole doesn't grant you a refugee status, so nope
4) Other: I'm not a victim of human trafficking or an Afghani translator, so nope

There are millions of jobs. There's just a lot of people not qualified to fill them.

Depends on the area of work, really. Diversity Immigrant Visa is an option, but I can't apply for it until I've finished college and had two years of work experience. And 50,000 per year ain't that much.

Don't be sad Hippo, America will work out just fine, and the GOP still controls the House. By the way, your support for gay marriage, abortion, and being an atheist while strongly supporting Mitt Romney, the GOP, and the Tea Party is so hypocritical though.

OBAMA: Good social policy, bad foreign policy and bad economic policy TWO BAD, ONE GOOD
ROMNEY: Good economic policy, good foreign policy and bad social policy ONE BAD, TWO GOOD

I've explained this a thousand times already ffs

So you are living here now? Which state?

Huh, no. I'm a high school sophomore in Finland.

There are jobs. My wife and most of the people I know who were out of work for 2 years are more have full time jobs again.

Romney would have increased unemployment or at best created a large base of underemployeed. The fact he "cares" was just another lie created for the 47% debacle.

Once again, it depends on the area of work.

You claims make me think your are young and unskilled. That does make it hard. Many of my Indian coworkers have started the process for citizenship......

Right now, yeah. I gotta finish high school, enroll in college and after that, try to get a job from the US or get two years of experience over here in Finland or in Scotland and then apply for Diversity Visa.

What's your course of study? Somethings are more desirable then others. If you have computer programming skills and know high tech, I can get you a job at my company pretty easy.

English, Politics or International Relations. One of those, not sure which one yet.

I wish you could have been here in America for your high school years, so you could experience how great you really have it in Finland.

I doubt that Finnish and American high schools are that different when compared to each other.

I'll ask again, since Obama and Romney's foreign policies are nigh identical, how is one better? Unless you think Romney lied?

Syria for example. Obama hasn't managed to stand up to Russia _at all_. Iran: Obama is too soft, he's not doing antyhing even though Ahmadinejad constantly expressess his desire to destroy our most valuable ally in the Middle East.

I just have to put this tid-bit of info in...

Quite frankly, the current Finnish government is dominated by a right-wing party with a president from same right-wing party. It'd had been even more right-wing if True Finns hadn't gone the "we're stayin' in opposition despite being big!" route - not to mention the government is pushing through healthcare reform which includes privatizing said part of government institution. So yeah, facts straight, comrade.

Regarding US elections - a good start for my day, despite I lost some night's sleep wondering how things will turn out.

National Coalition is a center-right party at best, though in my opinion it is much closer to center. Hell, the head of NCP Youth Division was sacked today for his comment where he stated that "child benefits should be abolished to discourage parents who can't afford to children them from having them''.

I'd also like to note that there are parties like the Social Democratic Party and the Left Alliance (a democratic socialist party, quite similar to Democrats actually!) in the coalition as well.

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   
   

   Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

[Gaveo]

He lead it to prosperity after he left did it start to collapse.

No, sorry.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20120829
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/3 ... 43601.html
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/bains_s ... t_bailout/

Hmm.

Yes all three left leaning.

[The Black Forrest]

He led a company so well it required a government bailout. Bravo.

He lead it to prosperity after he left did it start to collapse.

I have heard this logic before.

The US was winning in Viet Nam before it left.

His skills as the CEO? Well tax code manipulation is more the people that were hired to find that stuff.

Doing well in school? Easy to do when you are sent to a premier school and probably had tutors galore.

Not the same as the President whom you have claimed really didn't work that hard.

[Polkopia]

Care to elaborate?

I never said MSNBC had a liberal bias, so your attack on me was not only completely unwarranted, it was rather stupid.

I know YOU never said it. It's actually pretty well-known that MSNBC has a liberal bias, so I thought you'd but 2 and 2 together...

Guess I was wrong

[Khadgar]

No, sorry.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20120829
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/3 ... 43601.html
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/bains_s ... t_bailout/

Hmm.

Yes all three left leaning.

Wow, way to dispute the facts of the case. Bravo.

[TaQud]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

Well, I convinced some guy in FL to vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson last night.. So I feel that I've done something to advance Romney's upcoming victory.

Can't wait to see Florida and Ohio go red

I prefer Fox News' reliable and non-biased analysists instead. Silver has gotten a bit lazy, he won't be predicting this election correctly. Mark my words.

☑ Fox News visible on TV
☑ Lots of snacks available
☑ No school until 1pm tomorrow
☑ Comfortable position on the couch
☑ Twitter and NSG tabs open on my iPhone

Romney 2012, here I come!

Four years of Obama's weak foreign policy and destructive economic policy is not "progress"


That's what's going to happen to the Democrats.

This is a sad day for America. Instead of common American people coming together and voting for a president, it was minorities, special interest groups, middle-class leftist college students living on their parents' money who decided the outcome of this election. This is truly a sad day, and a huge setback for economic recovery.

Still, each easy to see other reasons behind Romney's defeat. Liberal media bias clearly favoring Obama over Romney, voter intimidation, perhaps even election fraud committed by Democrats are all reasons why the right, American candidate did not win. Luckily, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House even if they did not win the Senate. This will allow the Republicans to salvage what they can, and at least poses a major obstacle to completely turn the US into a economically wrecked, left-wing ''I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR MONEY!!'' ''welfare'' state. If the Republicans stay strong against the tide of leftist liberals and their outrageous demands, the 2016 election victory is guaranteed.

Right now, there are two different paths for the Republicans to take. Republicans could offer a hand across the aisle, outcome partisan differences and start working on the deficit together.. Or, if Obama remains stubborn, the Republicans can halt all progress until the Democrats stop drifting further and further to left and realize that the regulations and huge tax increases must be cut IMMIDIATELY.

Regarding the Tea Party, it's a complex thing. On the other hand, the Tea Party forced some very good candidates like Rick Perry (believe me, Rick Perry was indeed more moderate during his governorship) who could have had more charisma against Obama adopt more radical positions, mainly on social issues. On the other hand, picking the most moderate candidate wasn't necessarily the best bet, as the entire Republican Party could not rally behind him and give him their full support. I'm not even gonna discuss Ron Paul, their supporters are traitors and a disgrace to the GOP.

Overall, today was a sad day, but all is not lost. By staying firm against special interest groups and demanding real change and reducing the deficit, the Republicans can make sure that all is not lost and the economy won't be fully destroyed under the next four, sad and destructive years of Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh, and Maine, Washington and Maryland legalized gay marriage. That's a good thing as well,

Mods, this is appropriate behavior yet a guy who said ''suck it liberals'' earlier in this thread got an unofficial warning. Really?


I am saying that it's the common, working class American people who have built our industry, our companies and our economic success that are real Americans.

25-year old transgendered pansexuals who participate in OWS rallies, have a CPUSA member card and who have been studying African American women's literature in an university for the past seven years are not real Americans. Yeah, that was a huge extraggeration, but people like that who have no respect for the Constitution or the principles that the United States was founded on and the Republican Party stands for are not real, traditional Americans.

Yeah, true Americans stand for what the United States was founded on. Since people who voted for Obama do not stand for those principles, they can't be considered real Americans. Attempting to turn America into a center-left social democratic hellhole that many liberal college students are doing is nothing but of treason, and America does not need traitors.

It was. You and your family haven't been killed lately due to terrorists, amirite? Then your rights have been protected.


Good. Israel already does it.


That sucks, I admit that


Moar info plox

These new values are not evolution of old values; they are ideals which seek to destroy the clear principles that the America was founded on and that is written in the Constitution; the piece of paper that liberals and minorities like to ignore, or at best, spit on it.


Oh it will. Romney was a part of the generation that grew up in the 60's, with hippies, rock music and recreational drugs. Now those people are the very people who are leading the Republicans. I'm 100% sure that the brightest days of the Grand Old Party are still ahead.

Sure.

Freedom. Freedom to start a business without being strangled by regulations and unions. Freedom to own property and industry without the government leeching off you. Freedom to be the master of your own destiny without the government telling what you must and mustn't do.

Prosperity. Prosperity created by job creators mustn't be endangered by Obama's left-wing policies.

Pursuit of happiness. Everyone must have an equal chance to succeed. This does not mean affirmative action or more rights for special interests groups; this means that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of sex, gender, age, race or sexual orientation.

Unity. All Americans are united as Americans, and should do their best to defend the values enshrined in the Constitution together.

Right now, Obama isn't respecting any of these values. In fact, he, along with all other Democrats spit on them.

Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

I don't really care about birth certificates, it's your allegiance that matters. People who are so willing to trample on the Constitution do not deserve American citizenship, but ones who are still fighting to defend it, no matter what country they're in, certainly deserve it.

Not really, getting a Green Card is next to impossible for a Finn which is very, very depressing and frustrating

1) Family: Nope, no family in North America whatsoever, except for a few distant cousins in Canada. Getting married really isn't an option for me right now, so nope
2) Work: There are no jobs for Americans, let alone for foreigners. We can thank Obama for that. If only Romney had won, the unemployement rate would start falling and I'd have at least some hope of getting a work visa after college, so nope
3) Asylum: Unfortunately, living in a social democratic hellhole doesn't grant you a refugee status, so nope
4) Other: I'm not a victim of human trafficking or an Afghani translator, so nope

Depends on the area of work, really. Diversity Immigrant Visa is an option, but I can't apply for it until I've finished college and had two years of work experience. And 50,000 per year ain't that much.


OBAMA: Good social policy, bad foreign policy and bad economic policy TWO BAD, ONE GOOD
ROMNEY: Good economic policy, good foreign policy and bad social policy ONE BAD, TWO GOOD

I've explained this a thousand times already ffs

Huh, no. I'm a high school sophomore in Finland.


Once again, it depends on the area of work.


Right now, yeah. I gotta finish high school, enroll in college and after that, try to get a job from the US or get two years of experience over here in Finland or in Scotland and then apply for Diversity Visa.

English, Politics or International Relations. One of those, not sure which one yet.


I doubt that Finnish and American high schools are that different when compared to each other.


Syria for example. Obama hasn't managed to stand up to Russia _at all_. Iran: Obama is too soft, he's not doing antyhing even though Ahmadinejad constantly expressess his desire to destroy our most valuable ally in the Middle East.

National Coalition is a center-right party at best, though in my opinion it is much closer to center. Hell, the head of NCP Youth Division was sacked today for his comment where he stated that "child benefits should be abolished to discourage parents who can't afford to children them from having them''.

I'd also like to note that there are parties like the Social Democratic Party and the Left Alliance (a democratic socialist party, quite similar to Democrats actually!) in the coalition as well.

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   
   

   Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

why did hippostania want Romney?

[Gaveo]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

Well, I convinced some guy in FL to vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson last night.. So I feel that I've done something to advance Romney's upcoming victory.

Can't wait to see Florida and Ohio go red

I prefer Fox News' reliable and non-biased analysists instead. Silver has gotten a bit lazy, he won't be predicting this election correctly. Mark my words.

☑ Fox News visible on TV
☑ Lots of snacks available
☑ No school until 1pm tomorrow
☑ Comfortable position on the couch
☑ Twitter and NSG tabs open on my iPhone

Romney 2012, here I come!

Four years of Obama's weak foreign policy and destructive economic policy is not "progress"


That's what's going to happen to the Democrats.

This is a sad day for America. Instead of common American people coming together and voting for a president, it was minorities, special interest groups, middle-class leftist college students living on their parents' money who decided the outcome of this election. This is truly a sad day, and a huge setback for economic recovery.

Still, each easy to see other reasons behind Romney's defeat. Liberal media bias clearly favoring Obama over Romney, voter intimidation, perhaps even election fraud committed by Democrats are all reasons why the right, American candidate did not win. Luckily, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House even if they did not win the Senate. This will allow the Republicans to salvage what they can, and at least poses a major obstacle to completely turn the US into a economically wrecked, left-wing ''I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR MONEY!!'' ''welfare'' state. If the Republicans stay strong against the tide of leftist liberals and their outrageous demands, the 2016 election victory is guaranteed.

Right now, there are two different paths for the Republicans to take. Republicans could offer a hand across the aisle, outcome partisan differences and start working on the deficit together.. Or, if Obama remains stubborn, the Republicans can halt all progress until the Democrats stop drifting further and further to left and realize that the regulations and huge tax increases must be cut IMMIDIATELY.

Regarding the Tea Party, it's a complex thing. On the other hand, the Tea Party forced some very good candidates like Rick Perry (believe me, Rick Perry was indeed more moderate during his governorship) who could have had more charisma against Obama adopt more radical positions, mainly on social issues. On the other hand, picking the most moderate candidate wasn't necessarily the best bet, as the entire Republican Party could not rally behind him and give him their full support. I'm not even gonna discuss Ron Paul, their supporters are traitors and a disgrace to the GOP.

Overall, today was a sad day, but all is not lost. By staying firm against special interest groups and demanding real change and reducing the deficit, the Republicans can make sure that all is not lost and the economy won't be fully destroyed under the next four, sad and destructive years of Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh, and Maine, Washington and Maryland legalized gay marriage. That's a good thing as well,

Mods, this is appropriate behavior yet a guy who said ''suck it liberals'' earlier in this thread got an unofficial warning. Really?


I am saying that it's the common, working class American people who have built our industry, our companies and our economic success that are real Americans.

25-year old transgendered pansexuals who participate in OWS rallies, have a CPUSA member card and who have been studying African American women's literature in an university for the past seven years are not real Americans. Yeah, that was a huge extraggeration, but people like that who have no respect for the Constitution or the principles that the United States was founded on and the Republican Party stands for are not real, traditional Americans.

Yeah, true Americans stand for what the United States was founded on. Since people who voted for Obama do not stand for those principles, they can't be considered real Americans. Attempting to turn America into a center-left social democratic hellhole that many liberal college students are doing is nothing but of treason, and America does not need traitors.

It was. You and your family haven't been killed lately due to terrorists, amirite? Then your rights have been protected.


Good. Israel already does it.


That sucks, I admit that


Moar info plox

These new values are not evolution of old values; they are ideals which seek to destroy the clear principles that the America was founded on and that is written in the Constitution; the piece of paper that liberals and minorities like to ignore, or at best, spit on it.


Oh it will. Romney was a part of the generation that grew up in the 60's, with hippies, rock music and recreational drugs. Now those people are the very people who are leading the Republicans. I'm 100% sure that the brightest days of the Grand Old Party are still ahead.

Sure.

Freedom. Freedom to start a business without being strangled by regulations and unions. Freedom to own property and industry without the government leeching off you. Freedom to be the master of your own destiny without the government telling what you must and mustn't do.

Prosperity. Prosperity created by job creators mustn't be endangered by Obama's left-wing policies.

Pursuit of happiness. Everyone must have an equal chance to succeed. This does not mean affirmative action or more rights for special interests groups; this means that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of sex, gender, age, race or sexual orientation.

Unity. All Americans are united as Americans, and should do their best to defend the values enshrined in the Constitution together.

Right now, Obama isn't respecting any of these values. In fact, he, along with all other Democrats spit on them.

Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

I don't really care about birth certificates, it's your allegiance that matters. People who are so willing to trample on the Constitution do not deserve American citizenship, but ones who are still fighting to defend it, no matter what country they're in, certainly deserve it.

Not really, getting a Green Card is next to impossible for a Finn which is very, very depressing and frustrating

1) Family: Nope, no family in North America whatsoever, except for a few distant cousins in Canada. Getting married really isn't an option for me right now, so nope
2) Work: There are no jobs for Americans, let alone for foreigners. We can thank Obama for that. If only Romney had won, the unemployement rate would start falling and I'd have at least some hope of getting a work visa after college, so nope
3) Asylum: Unfortunately, living in a social democratic hellhole doesn't grant you a refugee status, so nope
4) Other: I'm not a victim of human trafficking or an Afghani translator, so nope

Depends on the area of work, really. Diversity Immigrant Visa is an option, but I can't apply for it until I've finished college and had two years of work experience. And 50,000 per year ain't that much.


OBAMA: Good social policy, bad foreign policy and bad economic policy TWO BAD, ONE GOOD
ROMNEY: Good economic policy, good foreign policy and bad social policy ONE BAD, TWO GOOD

I've explained this a thousand times already ffs

Huh, no. I'm a high school sophomore in Finland.


Once again, it depends on the area of work.


Right now, yeah. I gotta finish high school, enroll in college and after that, try to get a job from the US or get two years of experience over here in Finland or in Scotland and then apply for Diversity Visa.

English, Politics or International Relations. One of those, not sure which one yet.


I doubt that Finnish and American high schools are that different when compared to each other.


Syria for example. Obama hasn't managed to stand up to Russia _at all_. Iran: Obama is too soft, he's not doing antyhing even though Ahmadinejad constantly expressess his desire to destroy our most valuable ally in the Middle East.

National Coalition is a center-right party at best, though in my opinion it is much closer to center. Hell, the head of NCP Youth Division was sacked today for his comment where he stated that "child benefits should be abolished to discourage parents who can't afford to children them from having them''.

I'd also like to note that there are parties like the Social Democratic Party and the Left Alliance (a democratic socialist party, quite similar to Democrats actually!) in the coalition as well.

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   
   

   Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

Really you are such an ass.

[Khadgar]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   

Really you are such an ass.

And you are flaming.

[Vettrera]

No, sorry.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... y-20120829
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/3 ... 43601.html
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/30/bains_s ... t_bailout/

Hmm.

Yes all three left leaning.

All sources have leans. You act as if FOX would speak badly about Romney
The second after Obama won, that lady looked so "appalled"

[AiliailiA]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   

why did hippostania want Romney?

I think the posts speak for themselves. If you have questions for Hippostania, you'll have to ask him.

[Lesbia]

Disgusted.

[Polkopia]

Yes all three left leaning.

Wow, way to dispute the facts of the case. Bravo.

Really? The Huffington Post...? Anyone with half a brain can EASILY see that they're a liberal site. Not quite sure about the other two...

But from your posts, I've concluded that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that liberal bias DOES in fact occur in the media, and you are not one to accept it. As a Conservative, I can accept the fact that FOX is a heavily biased Republican channel, and I think it's time for you to do the same.

[AiliailiA]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   

Really you are such an ass.

I thought you and I were getting along quite well. This comes out of nowhere for me.

Have you slept since the election count? I have and feel much better for it ...

[Khadgar]

Wow, way to dispute the facts of the case. Bravo.

Really? The Huffington Post...? Anyone with half a brain can EASILY see that they're a liberal site. Not quite sure about the other two...

But from your posts, I've concluded that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that liberal bias DOES in fact occur in the media, and you are not one to accept it. As a Conservative, I can accept the fact that FOX is a heavily biased Republican channel, and I think it's time for you to do the same.

Let me explain this to you. The bias of a news organization has no bearing on the FACTS they represent, as long as those FACTS can be independently verified. That's how a fact based rationality works. No source is completely unbiased.

[NERVUN]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   

Really you are such an ass.

And you are flaming, *** One day ban ***.

[The Black Forrest]

Every post so far to this thread by Hippostania:

Well, I convinced some guy in FL to vote for Romney instead of Gary Johnson last night.. So I feel that I've done something to advance Romney's upcoming victory.

Can't wait to see Florida and Ohio go red

I prefer Fox News' reliable and non-biased analysists instead. Silver has gotten a bit lazy, he won't be predicting this election correctly. Mark my words.

☑ Fox News visible on TV
☑ Lots of snacks available
☑ No school until 1pm tomorrow
☑ Comfortable position on the couch
☑ Twitter and NSG tabs open on my iPhone

Romney 2012, here I come!

Four years of Obama's weak foreign policy and destructive economic policy is not "progress"


That's what's going to happen to the Democrats.

This is a sad day for America. Instead of common American people coming together and voting for a president, it was minorities, special interest groups, middle-class leftist college students living on their parents' money who decided the outcome of this election. This is truly a sad day, and a huge setback for economic recovery.

Still, each easy to see other reasons behind Romney's defeat. Liberal media bias clearly favoring Obama over Romney, voter intimidation, perhaps even election fraud committed by Democrats are all reasons why the right, American candidate did not win. Luckily, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House even if they did not win the Senate. This will allow the Republicans to salvage what they can, and at least poses a major obstacle to completely turn the US into a economically wrecked, left-wing ''I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR MONEY!!'' ''welfare'' state. If the Republicans stay strong against the tide of leftist liberals and their outrageous demands, the 2016 election victory is guaranteed.

Right now, there are two different paths for the Republicans to take. Republicans could offer a hand across the aisle, outcome partisan differences and start working on the deficit together.. Or, if Obama remains stubborn, the Republicans can halt all progress until the Democrats stop drifting further and further to left and realize that the regulations and huge tax increases must be cut IMMIDIATELY.

Regarding the Tea Party, it's a complex thing. On the other hand, the Tea Party forced some very good candidates like Rick Perry (believe me, Rick Perry was indeed more moderate during his governorship) who could have had more charisma against Obama adopt more radical positions, mainly on social issues. On the other hand, picking the most moderate candidate wasn't necessarily the best bet, as the entire Republican Party could not rally behind him and give him their full support. I'm not even gonna discuss Ron Paul, their supporters are traitors and a disgrace to the GOP.

Overall, today was a sad day, but all is not lost. By staying firm against special interest groups and demanding real change and reducing the deficit, the Republicans can make sure that all is not lost and the economy won't be fully destroyed under the next four, sad and destructive years of Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh, and Maine, Washington and Maryland legalized gay marriage. That's a good thing as well,

Mods, this is appropriate behavior yet a guy who said ''suck it liberals'' earlier in this thread got an unofficial warning. Really?


I am saying that it's the common, working class American people who have built our industry, our companies and our economic success that are real Americans.

25-year old transgendered pansexuals who participate in OWS rallies, have a CPUSA member card and who have been studying African American women's literature in an university for the past seven years are not real Americans. Yeah, that was a huge extraggeration, but people like that who have no respect for the Constitution or the principles that the United States was founded on and the Republican Party stands for are not real, traditional Americans.

Yeah, true Americans stand for what the United States was founded on. Since people who voted for Obama do not stand for those principles, they can't be considered real Americans. Attempting to turn America into a center-left social democratic hellhole that many liberal college students are doing is nothing but of treason, and America does not need traitors.

It was. You and your family haven't been killed lately due to terrorists, amirite? Then your rights have been protected.


Good. Israel already does it.


That sucks, I admit that


Moar info plox

These new values are not evolution of old values; they are ideals which seek to destroy the clear principles that the America was founded on and that is written in the Constitution; the piece of paper that liberals and minorities like to ignore, or at best, spit on it.


Oh it will. Romney was a part of the generation that grew up in the 60's, with hippies, rock music and recreational drugs. Now those people are the very people who are leading the Republicans. I'm 100% sure that the brightest days of the Grand Old Party are still ahead.

Sure.

Freedom. Freedom to start a business without being strangled by regulations and unions. Freedom to own property and industry without the government leeching off you. Freedom to be the master of your own destiny without the government telling what you must and mustn't do.

Prosperity. Prosperity created by job creators mustn't be endangered by Obama's left-wing policies.

Pursuit of happiness. Everyone must have an equal chance to succeed. This does not mean affirmative action or more rights for special interests groups; this means that everyone should be treated the same, regardless of sex, gender, age, race or sexual orientation.

Unity. All Americans are united as Americans, and should do their best to defend the values enshrined in the Constitution together.

Right now, Obama isn't respecting any of these values. In fact, he, along with all other Democrats spit on them.

Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

I don't really care about birth certificates, it's your allegiance that matters. People who are so willing to trample on the Constitution do not deserve American citizenship, but ones who are still fighting to defend it, no matter what country they're in, certainly deserve it.

Not really, getting a Green Card is next to impossible for a Finn which is very, very depressing and frustrating

1) Family: Nope, no family in North America whatsoever, except for a few distant cousins in Canada. Getting married really isn't an option for me right now, so nope
2) Work: There are no jobs for Americans, let alone for foreigners. We can thank Obama for that. If only Romney had won, the unemployement rate would start falling and I'd have at least some hope of getting a work visa after college, so nope
3) Asylum: Unfortunately, living in a social democratic hellhole doesn't grant you a refugee status, so nope
4) Other: I'm not a victim of human trafficking or an Afghani translator, so nope

Depends on the area of work, really. Diversity Immigrant Visa is an option, but I can't apply for it until I've finished college and had two years of work experience. And 50,000 per year ain't that much.


OBAMA: Good social policy, bad foreign policy and bad economic policy TWO BAD, ONE GOOD
ROMNEY: Good economic policy, good foreign policy and bad social policy ONE BAD, TWO GOOD

I've explained this a thousand times already ffs

Huh, no. I'm a high school sophomore in Finland.


Once again, it depends on the area of work.


Right now, yeah. I gotta finish high school, enroll in college and after that, try to get a job from the US or get two years of experience over here in Finland or in Scotland and then apply for Diversity Visa.

English, Politics or International Relations. One of those, not sure which one yet.


I doubt that Finnish and American high schools are that different when compared to each other.


Syria for example. Obama hasn't managed to stand up to Russia _at all_. Iran: Obama is too soft, he's not doing antyhing even though Ahmadinejad constantly expressess his desire to destroy our most valuable ally in the Middle East.

National Coalition is a center-right party at best, though in my opinion it is much closer to center. Hell, the head of NCP Youth Division was sacked today for his comment where he stated that "child benefits should be abolished to discourage parents who can't afford to children them from having them''.

I'd also like to note that there are parties like the Social Democratic Party and the Left Alliance (a democratic socialist party, quite similar to Democrats actually!) in the coalition as well.

The posts speak for themselves. I will make only two comments:

1. What The Black Forrest did there was interesting, and rather generous if meant sincerely.
   
2. I am taking "Science is bullshit." out of my signature because it's a bit stale, and replacing it with:
   
   

   Nope, because right now I am more American than 49 million people with American "citizenship"

I was being sincere.

[AiliailiA]

Really? The Huffington Post...? Anyone with half a brain can EASILY see that they're a liberal site. Not quite sure about the other two...

But from your posts, I've concluded that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that liberal bias DOES in fact occur in the media, and you are not one to accept it. As a Conservative, I can accept the fact that FOX is a heavily biased Republican channel, and I think it's time for you to do the same.

Let me explain this to you. The bias of a news organization has no bearing on the FACTS they represent, as long as those FACTS can be independently verified. That's how a fact based rationality works. No source is completely unbiased.

Thus, it is incredibly important that kids in school are taught to analyze not just read news reporting (distinguish facts from narrative with facts in it), and very much the same thing for other forms of media than newspapers. Chewing gum for the eyes (infotainment that passes for news) should not be swallowed by the brain.

[Reploid Productions]

I guess that makes you FOX News

Unfair Unbalanced and Against Change

Nerv beat me to the other one, but missed you. Namecalling and flaming; knock it off. Unless you'd like an introduction to the banhammer as well...


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