And Here We Go: Presidential Election Day 2012

[New Chalcedon]

In my personal opinion, this election proves that the Republican Party has to change if they want to be seen as a viable option. This election was the last one that could be won by the "traditional white man". Blacks, Latinos, and Women are becoming more prominent in the election process and the republican party will need to adapt. They can no longer be seen as a political party that is closed off to women, gays, people of color, and those who are not christian. America has substituted some of their morals for liberties, and if the Republican Party is not willing to change, the voters will not stay Red. I think a commentator on Good Morning America said it best: " The Republican Party is a 'Mad Men' party in a 'Modern Family' America."

Are you saying that the Republicans should go more to the center? If that is so that will only make the Left win in the end. Plus the Republicans are getting more diverse, with Latinos becoming the main stars in the GOP.

And why not? You've marched so far to the right that it's not funny - Ronald Reagan would today be drummed out of the GOP for being a leftie!

[Norsklow]

Obama has never work hard a day in his sorry life all he has done is go to Harvard (which is hard I will give you credit) and thats it.

As opposed to a kid born into a rich family, whose idea of 'suffering' was having to cash stock options his daddy gave him?

You might not value the work of a community organiser, a lawyer, or the President of the United States - but that doesn't mean he hasn't worked hard.

And when the 8 years are over, he will have the grey hair to show for it, just like the previous 2.
No matter what party, or what your parents - it's a grind indeed.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

You really need to make sure you read my actual words, throughout the entire thread, before you make assumptions.

I did.

That, sir, is a baldfaced lie. You clearly have not.

[Khadgar]

Uh huh, and the fact that every single demonstrable indicator shows economic growth is perfect evidence that the nation is fucked up.
Obama has never work hard a day in his sorry life all he has done is go to Harvard (which is hard I will give you credit) and thats it. He never ran a business and plus economic growth is at 2% and unemployment is 7.9% where is this magical growth coming from?

So you don't deny the economy is growing. So how has he fucked the country. Be specific.

[Grave_n_idle]

Better a community organiser than a vulture capitalist.

Obama is also a better venture capitalist than the people who are/were venture capitalists for a living.

It would be amusing, if it weren't so serious - but people have actually argued that Romney's 'experience' as a 'businessman' would have helped us out of our economic climate.

Ignoring for a second how little actual power a President really has - Romney has no relevant experience. When he ran the Utah Olympic event, he walked into a $400 million shortfall - and the federal government contributed $600 million to getting it back on it's feet. When Bain capital leveraged buyouts - the money was fronted by banks.

Romney has no experience of digging an economy out of a hole - all he knows is how to borrow money and accept federal handouts - neither of which would help us dig out from under our crisis debt.

[R Ev0lution]

Are you saying that the Republicans should go more to the center? If that is so that will only make the Left win in the end. Plus the Republicans are getting more diverse, with Latinos becoming the main stars in the GOP.

And why not? You've marched so far to the right that it's not funny - Ronald Reagan would today be drummed out of the GOP for being a leftie!

Exactly. All the "moderate conservatives" have already left (no pun intended) for the Democratic Party, because they're so disgusted by the extremism of the modern Republican Party.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Uh huh, and the fact that every single demonstrable indicator shows economic growth is perfect evidence that the nation is fucked up.

Obama has never work hard a day in his sorry life all he has done is go to Harvard (which is hard I will give you credit) and thats it. He never ran a business and plus economic growth is at 2% and unemployment is 7.9% where is this magical growth coming from?

So you don't deny the economy is growing. So how has he fucked the country. Be specific.[/quote]

If he's really "fucked the country," dude, BRO-FIVE FOR THE STUD!

[Northern Dominus]

Are you saying that the Republicans should go more to the center? If that is so that will only make the Left win in the end. Plus the Republicans are getting more diverse, with Latinos becoming the main stars in the GOP.

And why not? You've marched so far to the right that it's not funny - Ronald Reagan would today be drummed out of the GOP for being a leftie!

Heck, Eisenhower wouldn't even make it past front desk of the HQ before being told to turn around and march his liberal commie butt down the street to the DNC office.

[Norsklow]

I did.

That, sir, is a baldfaced lie. You clearly have not.

That sir, is simply a cover up.

by Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:06 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:

Oh, I don't hate them--it's not their fault, after all; they just don't know any better. But the first step in fixing their deficiencies in moral education is to recognize that there is, indeed, such a deficiency. I'm here to help them with love and compassion.


By accusing them of treason? I see. A bit odd.

vvvv
When a young child goes around dropping his grandmother's china dishes because he likes the sound they make when they break, which is the course of action taken by a parent who loves that child:
Ignore it and pretend nothing happened
Point out to the child what he did and explain why he should not do that.
^^^^
That was you, wasn't it?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

That, sir, is a baldfaced lie. You clearly have not.

That sir, is simply a cover up.

by Franklin Delano Bluth » Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:06 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:

Oh, I don't hate them--it's not their fault, after all; they just don't know any better. But the first step in fixing their deficiencies in moral education is to recognize that there is, indeed, such a deficiency. I'm here to help them with love and compassion.


By accusing them of treason? I see. A bit odd.

vvvv
When a young child goes around dropping his grandmother's china dishes because he likes the sound they make when they break, which is the course of action taken by a parent who loves that child:
Ignore it and pretend nothing happened
Point out to the child what he did and explain why he should not do that.
^^^^
That was you, wasn't it?

Yes, I uttered those words. So what?

Here are some other words I uttered. What conclusions about my actual beliefs do you plan to draw from them? Are you going to assume that they, too, represent what I actually believe rather than being a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the beliefs of others?

Tell me, do you believe that Jonathan Swift seriously thought we should eat babies?

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Babies are contributing to overpopulation, national debt, and we do have a hunger problem with the poor.

So it would be practical, no lie.

[Norsklow]

Yes, I uttered those words. So what?

Here are some other words I uttered. What conclusions about my actual beliefs do you plan to draw from them? Are you going to assume that they, too, represent what I actually believe rather than being a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the beliefs of others?

Tell me, do you believe that Jonathan Swift seriously thought we should eat babies?

In other words, your defense is that you just performed a little charade.

The likes of you can never be condemned severely enough by a human tongue.

The Lord rebuke you.

[Quebec and Atlantic Canada]

Wish New/Neu Mitanni was here to party with us.

[Gaveo]

Obama has never work hard a day in his sorry life all he has done is go to Harvard (which is hard I will give you credit) and thats it. He never ran a business and plus economic growth is at 2% and unemployment is 7.9% where is this magical growth coming from?

And Romney spent his entire life "working hard"? All he's done in his life is mooch off his parents, make money off of investments, and bully gay kids in high school.

Wow you actually believe that crap?
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

[Khadgar]

And Romney spent his entire life "working hard"? :rofl: All he's done in his life is mooch off his parents, make money off of investments, and bully gay kids in high school.

Wow you actually believe that crap? :palm:
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

Uh, we know that's all he's done, it's demonstrably true. He went through school from a private very exclusive highschool, to college, all on daddy's dime. Then he used Daddy's friends to get into business, wherein he took bailouts from the government and shipped jobs overseas to pad his bottom line.

WE KNOW THIS. IT IS DEMONSTRABLY TRUE. IT IS NOT A BELIEF, IT IS NOT AN OPINION.

[Vettrera]

And Romney spent his entire life "working hard"? All he's done in his life is mooch off his parents, make money off of investments, and bully gay kids in high school.

Wow you actually believe that crap?
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

Obama was raised by a single parent and found a way to make a name for himself. He came from nothing, Romney is the one that hasn't struggled. He spent his teen years bullying gays.
But of course, dogmatic people never can tell fact from fabrication.

[Gaveo]

Wow you actually believe that crap?
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

Obama was raised by a single parent and found a way to make a name for himself. He came from nothing, Romney is the one that hasn't struggled. He spent his teen years bullying gays.
But of course, dogmatic people never can tell fact from fabrication.

My god you sound just like MSNBC.

[Gauthier]

Wish New/Neu Mitanni was here to party with us.

FORT SUMTER.

That work for you?

[The Black Forrest]

And Romney spent his entire life "working hard"? All he's done in his life is mooch off his parents, make money off of investments, and bully gay kids in high school.

Wow you actually believe that crap?
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

All right? I am curious.

What exactly has he done that was hard? As in had to earn or work towards something because he had next to nothing? You know. A common nobody working from rags to riches example?

Everything made available shows he has lived a privileged life and never had to really worry about things which are needed to get by......

So let's see your facts.

[Khadgar]

Obama was raised by a single parent and found a way to make a name for himself. He came from nothing, Romney is the one that hasn't struggled. He spent his teen years bullying gays.
But of course, dogmatic people never can tell fact from fabrication.

My god you sound just like MSNBC. :palm:

If by that you mean telling the truth, then yes, yes we do. And hey you sound just like FOX, never let the truth get in the way of partisan hackery.

[The Black Forrest]

Obama was raised by a single parent and found a way to make a name for himself. He came from nothing, Romney is the one that hasn't struggled. He spent his teen years bullying gays.
But of course, dogmatic people never can tell fact from fabrication.

My god you sound just like MSNBC.

Is it a lie?

[Gaveo]

Wow you actually believe that crap?
Again as said before no amount of facts will ever change your set mind and you now what? I will just stick to my beliefs and you stick to yours.

All right? I am curious.

What exactly has he done that was hard? As in had to earn or work towards something because he had next to nothing? You know. A common nobody working from rags to riches example?

Everything made available shows he has lived a privileged life and never had to really worry about things which are needed to get by......

So let's see your facts.

He has lead a company, did well in school, etc.

[Khadgar]

All right? I am curious.

What exactly has he done that was hard? As in had to earn or work towards something because he had next to nothing? You know. A common nobody working from rags to riches example?

Everything made available shows he has lived a privileged life and never had to really worry about things which are needed to get by......

So let's see your facts.

He has lead a company, did well in school, etc.

He led a company so well it required a government bailout. Bravo.

[Typhlochactas]

All right? I am curious.

What exactly has he done that was hard? As in had to earn or work towards something because he had next to nothing? You know. A common nobody working from rags to riches example?

Everything made available shows he has lived a privileged life and never had to really worry about things which are needed to get by......

So let's see your facts.

He has lead a company, did well in school, etc.

He had a 2. something.

[Gaveo]

He has lead a company, did well in school, etc.

He led a company so well it required a government bailout. Bravo.

He lead it to prosperity after he left did it start to collapse.