And Here We Go: Presidential Election Day 2012

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

In my personal opinion, this election proves that the Republican Party has to change if they want to be seen as a viable option. This election was the last one that could be won by the "traditional white man". Blacks, Latinos, and Women are becoming more prominent in the election process and the republican party will need to adapt. They can no longer be seen as a political party that is closed off to women, gays, people of color, and those who are not christian. America has substituted some of their morals for liberties, and if the Republican Party is not willing to change, the voters will not stay Red. I think a commentator on Good Morning America said it best: " The Republican Party is a 'Mad Men' party in a 'Modern Family' America."

Are you saying that the Republicans should go more to the center? If that is so that will only make the Left win in the end.

Yes, and?

You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you hate freedom or something?

[Divair]

1. Because its a third party. Why waste your vote on third party when you can vote Democrat?

So where is this supposed popularity for socialism? Why vote for the center-right when you can vote for the socialist? And how the fuck do you gauge interest in socialism if you aren't counting SPUSA's popularity?

2. Unbelievable you really think that? THE ECONOMY FAILED, I will give that much but it wasn't because of Bush. Its because certain banks were greedy and gave out bad loans, nothing to do with Government.

Wars. Bush tax cuts. Deregulation. This entire crisis is because of him.

3. Again third party, Americans now have a Republican and Democrat or nothing mentality.

So these magical media moguls are wasting their time trying to convince people to vote Green and Justice?
owait. Never happened.

[Grave_n_idle]

You realize that when your entire party's PLATFORM is deregulating the economy, and then a bunch of asshats come along, take advantage of that deregulation, and then fuck everything up, then you deserve plenty of the blame, because you opened the door and invited them to do that shit.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it.

What a nonsense. We're still getting over what happens when financial institutions are out of control, and you think the answer is to slacken control even more?

Rubbish. Greedy people can't be relied on to temper their greed. And while not everyone is greedy, that doesn't matter - the ones that are have the capacity to fuck the rest of us.

[Desperate Measures]

You realize that when your entire party's PLATFORM is deregulating the economy, and then a bunch of asshats come along, take advantage of that deregulation, and then fuck everything up, then you deserve plenty of the blame, because you opened the door and invited them to do that shit.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

How do you not understand that the deregulation caused the problem?

[R Ev0lution]

You realize that when your entire party's PLATFORM is deregulating the economy, and then a bunch of asshats come along, take advantage of that deregulation, and then fuck everything up, then you deserve plenty of the blame, because you opened the door and invited them to do that shit.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

... Okay.

So let me nutshell your entire economic philosophy: Deregulating the economy allowed banks to practice irresponsibly, which back-fired and put us in the second-worst economic crisis in American history. So, the clear and obvious solution to this problem is to deregulate it further, thus inviting MORE irresponsible banking practices?

Tell me, should firemen re-design their fire hoses to shoot gasoline instead of water?

[Desperate Measures]

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

... Okay.

So let me nutshell your entire economic philosophy. Deregulating the economy allowed banks to practice irresponsibly, which back-fired and put us in the second-worst economic crisis in American history. So, the solution to this problem is to deregulate it further, thus inviting MORE irresponsible banking practices?

Tell me, should firemen re-design their fire hoses to shoot gasoline instead of water?

Now you're thinking like a job-creator.

[Norsklow]

And CAUSED by Bush's actions, I may add.

Oh be fair, the Republicans in Congress helped, a lot.

I wont deny that at all.

[Vettrera]

You need actual inclusion, not a pretty face now and then.

By inclusion, I mean a demographic that actually has a reason to vote conservative.

And I'm sorry, but yeah, you will have to head to the center, but in retrospect you moved right too damn far for no practical reason anyway.

No the Dems have never been in the Center yet they win, one main reason is because Socialism is attractive and its only when shit hits the fan does the centrist look at the right. Besides Romney won the independent vote.

AMERICA realized that it's better to give Obama/Dems the same amount of time to fix the country that Bush/Reps took to fuck up the country, rather than give Mitt the chance to ruin us on social/foreign affairs with the possibility of him fixing the economy

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

You realize that when your entire party's PLATFORM is deregulating the economy, and then a bunch of asshats come along, take advantage of that deregulation, and then fuck everything up, then you deserve plenty of the blame, because you opened the door and invited them to do that shit.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

Regulation, like I always say, isn't a number. People in general need to say WHICH REGULATIONS THEY SPECIFICALLY WANT TO ALTER OR REMOVE, ITS NOT A NUMBER THAT DOES SOMETHING, THEY ARE SPECIFIC LIMITS ON ACTIONS.

As for the banks, I'm mixed honestly, I don't like crashes, but I don't like a free bailout either.

America got nothing specific in return for that money IMO.

[TaQud]

can't tell if he is sad or angry...

The transcript where he talks about the "nation of children" and Santa Claus is much more telling than this. This is just his farewell to Mitt.

ok then

[Gaveo]

Are you saying that the Republicans should go more to the center? If that is so that will only make the Left win in the end.

Yes, and?

You say that like it's a bad thing. Do you hate freedom or something?

You are the one to talk, you said that voting for Romney was an act of treason.

1. Because its a third party. Why waste your vote on third party when you can vote Democrat?

So where is this supposed popularity for socialism? Why vote for the center-right when you can vote for the socialist? And how the fuck do you gauge interest in socialism if you aren't counting SPUSA's popularity?

2. Unbelievable you really think that? THE ECONOMY FAILED, I will give that much but it wasn't because of Bush. Its because certain banks were greedy and gave out bad loans, nothing to do with Government.

Wars. Bush tax cuts. Deregulation. This entire crisis is because of him.

3. Again third party, Americans now have a Republican and Democrat or nothing mentality.

So these magical media moguls are wasting their time trying to convince people to vote Green and Justice?
owait. Never happened.

1. Again as said earlier they will vote Democrat.
2. War? Because of terrorism. Deregulation, is the solution to the mess we have now.
3. Don't you mean, oh wait? Anyways you aren't listening to me, AMERICANS HAVE A GOP OR DEMOCRAT mentality.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it.

What a nonsense. We're still getting over what happens when financial institutions are out of control, and you think the answer is to slacken control even more?

Rubbish. Greedy people can't be relied on to temper their greed. And while not everyone is greedy, that doesn't matter - the ones that are have the capacity to fuck the rest of us.

So regulating the people that aren't greedy is better.

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

How do you not understand that the deregulation caused the problem?

Tell me how regulation helps the problem?

[Norsklow]

So the solution to all our economic problems is more government regulation? Please we should lower it not increase it. True the banks were unregulated but then buying them out is going to help?

Regulation, like I always say, isn't a number. People in general need to say WHICH REGULATIONS THEY SPECIFICALLY WANT TO ALTER OR REMOVE, ITS NOT A NUMBER THAT DOES SOMETHING, THEY ARE SPECIFIC LIMITS ON ACTIONS.

As for the banks, I'm mixed honestly, I don't like crashes, but I don't like a free bailout either.

America got nothing specific in return for that money IMO.

If you believe there should be credit available, then something is needed to extend that credit.
I certainly have my doubts on how that is done.
But on the necessity of it, given public opinion, there can be little doubt about the need to do so.

[Death Metal]

The same Latino voters who went 75-23 against the GOP?

Because they didn't put Rubio! If they did the GOP would have won.

Rubio is Cuban, not Mexican or Puerto Rican or any other Hispanic subgroup. Cubans are seen as notoriously racist against other Hispanics. Florida's Latino community is predominantly Cuban which is why he gets numbers there, but nationally? He'll be seen as an Uncle Tom on the national level.

[Norsklow]

SNIP
Tell me how regulation helps the problem?

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*grin*

[Grave_n_idle]

So regulating the people that aren't greedy is better.

Yes. How is that even a question?

[R Ev0lution]

How do you not understand that the deregulation caused the problem?

Tell me how regulation helps the problem?

Tell me, how does putting a serial killer behind bars prevent him from murdering innocent people?

[Gaveo]

No the Dems have never been in the Center yet they win, one main reason is because Socialism is attractive and its only when shit hits the fan does the centrist look at the right. Besides Romney won the independent vote.

AMERICA realized that it's better to give Obama/Dems the same amount of time to fix the country that Bush/Reps took to fuck up the country, rather than give Mitt the chance to ruin us on social/foreign affairs with the possibility of him fixing the economy

So give the community organizer another chance to f up this nation okay, whatever.

[Divair]

1. Again as said earlier they will vote Democrat.

Reply to the damn question. How do you gauge interest in socialism if SPUSA isn't gaining votes?

2. War? Because of terrorism.

Is not a justification to occupy a country that had nothing to do with terrorism (Iraq) and occupy a country for ten years while slaughtering tens of thousands of innocents (Afghanistan).

Deregulation, is the solution to the mess we have now.

I.. No. I can't even begin to unravel the absolute fucking stupidity in this comment. The amount of ignorance shown in this single line is astronomically large. Please, go take an Economics 101 class.

3. Don't you mean, oh wait? Anyways you aren't listening to me, AMERICANS HAVE A GOP OR DEMOCRAT mentality.

See 1.

[Desperate Measures]

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How do you not understand that the deregulation caused the problem?

Tell me how regulation helps the problem?

You want me to explain to you how regulation will fix the problems that deregulation caused? It will... be regulated instead of deregulated? What kind of question is this?

[Khadgar]

AMERICA realized that it's better to give Obama/Dems the same amount of time to fix the country that Bush/Reps took to fuck up the country, rather than give Mitt the chance to ruin us on social/foreign affairs with the possibility of him fixing the economy

So give the community organizer another chance to f up this nation okay, whatever.

Uh huh, and the fact that every single demonstrable indicator shows economic growth is perfect evidence that the nation is fucked up.

[Reploid Productions]

*wanders through the thread to remind folks that the bitchy mod is still on patrol and to keep tempers cool*


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Death Metal]

Tell me how regulation helps the problem?

Clinton and the New Deal. Regulation fixes what the "free" market breaks.

[TaQud]

is florida still undecided?

[Grave_n_idle]

AMERICA realized that it's better to give Obama/Dems the same amount of time to fix the country that Bush/Reps took to fuck up the country, rather than give Mitt the chance to ruin us on social/foreign affairs with the possibility of him fixing the economy

So give the community organizer another chance to f up this nation okay, whatever.

'The community organiser' has been doing okay, so far. Considering the entirely obstructionist partisans he has to work with.

Better a community organiser than a vulture capitalist.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

AMERICA realized that it's better to give Obama/Dems the same amount of time to fix the country that Bush/Reps took to fuck up the country, rather than give Mitt the chance to ruin us on social/foreign affairs with the possibility of him fixing the economy

So give the community organizer another chance to f up this nation okay, whatever.

I would say he did the equivalent of stopping a brakeless train from speeding off a cliff while reversing its direction, but all the passengers are pissed they aren't at the station yet.

But whatever