And Here We Go: Presidential Election Day 2012

[Death Metal]

Oh, and guys? Supreme Court might strike down the pot laws.

At least the gesture made a statement.

[Divair]

Oh, and guys? Supreme Court might strike down the pot laws.

At least the gesture made a statement.

I doubt it.

[Avenio]

What you think that us RIghtists are all totalitarian?

The 'rightists' of the American Revolution were the Loyalists, to put it into perspective. Strong monarchists, supporters of the status quo and the aristocracy, opponents of the Enlightenment - which the American founding documents were derived directly from.

And please give me evidence that liberals and leftists have any respect to the Constitution.

...The fact that we're not calling for a proletarian revolution and an overthrowing of the bourgeois state? You're seriously asking that question?

[Gaveo]

Obama wasn't a perfect practitioner of the so called leftist Bill of Rights. He allowed nationalized healthcare and still supports the so called "Patriot" Act

It's not nationalized.

And Obama isn't a leftist.

I never called him a leftist, just some of your friends call the Bill of Rights a leftist upbringing.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

This is too painful for words.

Which part?

the person you were replying to...

[The Emerald Dawn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

What part of these did Bush not feel like urinating on?

Obama wasn't a perfect practitioner of the so called leftist Bill of Rights. He allowed nationalized healthcare and still supports the so called "Patriot" Act

Ok Neo, you aren't The One, you don't get to dodge the question.

We lefties get that it burns when freedoms are granted to more than the prestigious few, but "nationalized healthcare" means that access to "life...and the pursuit of happiness" stays universal. The "PATRIOT" act has been...shall we say neutered...so that its more egregious violations of rights have been sent packing. You want to blame someone for the rest? Look to the House, where the last three bills to get rid of it died.

[Farnhamia]

Oh, and guys? Supreme Court might strike down the pot laws.

At least the gesture made a statement.

Is the DoJ bring suit against the states that legalized? I'm pretty sure the Court won't rule on the laws without some sort of action in court.

[Divair]

It's not nationalized.

And Obama isn't a leftist.

I never called him a leftist, just some of your friends call the Bill of Rights a leftist upbringing.

Relatively speaking, yes, it was heavily leftist when it was created. Obama has nothing to do with what we're talking about, so why bring him into the discussion?

[Avenio]

I never called him a leftist, just some of your friends call the Bill of Rights a leftist upbringing.

It was. For its time, the very idea of a Bill of Rights or a government by the people, for the people was an extremely radical leftist idea. It, and other such ideas, like universal suffrage in France a few years later, horrified the conservatives of Europe.

[Death Metal]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

What part of these did Bush not feel like urinating on?

Obama wasn't a perfect practitioner of the so called leftist Bill of Rights. He allowed nationalized healthcare and still supports the so called "Patriot" Act

Nationalized healthcare is not against the Bill of Rights.

Neither is the Patriot Act for that matter... they're not searching your documents, they're searching transmitted documents, which are already under federal jurisdiction via the FCC.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

According to Huffington Post, Obama is winning by 0.6 with 100% reporting in. However, interesting enough third parties all together got 0.9%.

CNN is behind, doesn't shock me.

MSNBC and CNN are in the same boat.

Geez.

[Gaveo]

Obama wasn't a perfect practitioner of the so called leftist Bill of Rights. He allowed nationalized healthcare and still supports the so called "Patriot" Act

Ok Neo, you aren't The One, you don't get to dodge the question.

We lefties get that it burns when freedoms are granted to more than the prestigious few, but "nationalized healthcare" means that access to "life...and the pursuit of happiness" stays universal. The "PATRIOT" act has been...shall we say neutered...so that its more egregious violations of rights have been sent packing. You want to blame someone for the rest? Look to the House, where the last three bills to get rid of it died.

I love freedom as much as (I think) you. Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

[Death Metal]

Oh, and guys? Supreme Court might strike down the pot laws.

At least the gesture made a statement.

Is the DoJ bring suit against the states that legalized?

They might, according to CNN.

Oh, and Florida is down to absentees, not that it matters.

[Death Metal]

Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

Nope.

[Divair]

Ok Neo, you aren't The One, you don't get to dodge the question.

We lefties get that it burns when freedoms are granted to more than the prestigious few, but "nationalized healthcare" means that access to "life...and the pursuit of happiness" stays universal. The "PATRIOT" act has been...shall we say neutered...so that its more egregious violations of rights have been sent packing. You want to blame someone for the rest? Look to the House, where the last three bills to get rid of it died.

I love freedom as much as (I think) you. Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

No. Universal healthcare provides insurance to you for free. Most of the first world uses this system.

The USA (and Israel) use a mandated system in which you are forced to buy insurance from private companies, like car insurance.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Ok Neo, you aren't The One, you don't get to dodge the question.

We lefties get that it burns when freedoms are granted to more than the prestigious few, but "nationalized healthcare" means that access to "life...and the pursuit of happiness" stays universal. The "PATRIOT" act has been...shall we say neutered...so that its more egregious violations of rights have been sent packing. You want to blame someone for the rest? Look to the House, where the last three bills to get rid of it died.

I love freedom as much as (I think) you. Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

No, universal healthcare is getting people to pay a small amount of tax in order to have free-at-the-point-of-access healthcare.

Obamacare is not universal healthcare by any stretch of the imagination.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Is the DoJ bring suit against the states that legalized?

They might, according to CNN.

Oh, and Florida is down to absentees, not that it matters.

Probably will.

If they attack California dispensaries, I have a feeling they're going to crack down everywhere else, too.

[Death Metal]

Obamacare is not universal healthcare by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course, that's because the GOP edited the hell out of it...

[The Emerald Dawn]

Ok Neo, you aren't The One, you don't get to dodge the question.

We lefties get that it burns when freedoms are granted to more than the prestigious few, but "nationalized healthcare" means that access to "life...and the pursuit of happiness" stays universal. The "PATRIOT" act has been...shall we say neutered...so that its more egregious violations of rights have been sent packing. You want to blame someone for the rest? Look to the House, where the last three bills to get rid of it died.

I love freedom as much as (I think) you. Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

By forcing them to become a part of a civilization that is greater when all the parts of it work together for the betterment of all. It's a part of the social compact we all agree upon by being citizens. Could the AHCA be better? Yes. Should it be improved? Yes. So get talking to your Representatives, tell them to stop saying "No" to everything. Tell them to start thinking beyond their bubble. Tell them to stand up to the Koch brothers. To Trump. To Neo-Cons and Tea Partiers. Tell them to rediscover their spine and serve the people they were elected by.

Nobody ever succeeded in improving our nation by sitting back and waiting for perfect. Perfect is the enemy of Great.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Look Universal Healthcare is "forcing" people to buy insurance.

Nope.

Still unimpressed with how little it's going to do about the actual costs of healthcare.

[Divair]

Obamacare is not universal healthcare by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course, that's because the GOP edited the hell out of it...

It was never meant to be universal, afaik.

[Death Metal]

Nope.

Still unimpressed with how little it's going to do about the actual costs of healthcare.

Except it actually will, because people were forced to go to the ER anyway because they couldn't pay their bills. Where do you think those costs came from exactly? Hint: Not the free-market fairy.

[Death Metal]

Of course, that's because the GOP edited the hell out of it...

It was never meant to be universal, afaik.

Actually it was going to be Japanese-style mixed care, with free basic option allowing for premium private supplements. Which is exactly what we have for seniors, and nobody seems to have issues with that...

[Divair]

It was never meant to be universal, afaik.

Actually it was going to be Japanese-style mixed care, with free basic option allowing for premium private supplements. Which is exactly what we have for seniors, and nobody seems to have issues with that...

Huh. TIL, I suppose.

[New Chalcedon]

This is a sad day for America. Instead of common American people coming together and voting for a president, it was minorities, special interest groups, middle-class leftist college students living on their parents' money who decided the outcome of this election. This is truly a sad day, and a huge setback for economic recovery.

Still, each easy to see other reasons behind Romney's defeat. Liberal media bias clearly favoring Obama over Romney, voter intimidation, perhaps even election fraud committed by Democrats are all reasons why the right, American candidate did not win. Luckily, the Republicans maintained their majority in the House even if they did not win the Senate. This will allow the Republicans to salvage what they can, and at least poses a major obstacle to completely turn the US into a economically wrecked, left-wing ''I'M ENTITLED TO YOUR MONEY!!'' ''welfare'' state. If the Republicans stay strong against the tide of leftist liberals and their outrageous demands, the 2016 election victory is guaranteed.

Right now, there are two different paths for the Republicans to take. Republicans could offer a hand across the aisle, outcome partisan differences and start working on the deficit together.. Or, if Obama remains stubborn, the Republicans can halt all progress until the Democrats stop drifting further and further to left and realize that the regulations and huge tax increases must be cut IMMIDIATELY.

Regarding the Tea Party, it's a complex thing. On the other hand, the Tea Party forced some very good candidates like Rick Perry (believe me, Rick Perry was indeed more moderate during his governorship) who could have had more charisma against Obama adopt more radical positions, mainly on social issues. On the other hand, picking the most moderate candidate wasn't necessarily the best bet, as the entire Republican Party could not rally behind him and give him their full support. I'm not even gonna discuss Ron Paul, their supporters are traitors and a disgrace to the GOP.

Overall, today was a sad day, but all is not lost. By staying firm against special interest groups and demanding real change and reducing the deficit, the Republicans can make sure that all is not lost and the economy won't be fully destroyed under the next four, sad and destructive years of Barack Hussein Obama.

Oh, and Maine, Washington and Maryland legalized gay marriage. That's a good thing as well,

So does your Mr. Spock have a beard, too?

I am saying that it's the common, working class American people who have built our industry, our companies and our economic success that are real Americans.

25-year old transgendered pansexuals who participate in OWS rallies, have a CPUSA member card and who have been studying African American women's literature in an university for the past seven years are not real Americans. Yeah, that was a huge extraggeration, but people like that who have no respect for the Constitution or the principles that the United States was founded on and the Republican Party stands for are not real, traditional Americans.

<glowers at Hippostania>

Ohhhhh... Them's fightin' words, son!

Are you trying to tell me that the hard-working African-American cooks, store clerks, secretaries, teachers, and factory workers I stood with for an hour and a half in line at the polls yesterday in an effort to vote didn't build this country with their blood, sweat, and tears?

Listen, son: They and theirs damned well did built it, and they continue to build it. They work today - when there are jobs in their community and employers are hiring. Their grandparents worked in the bomber plants at Willow Run cranking out B-24's when your grandparents were fighting side-by-side with the Nazis, and their great-great grandparents not only worked to build this country, but did it in chains and got paid with the lash.

So if you want to tell me my black neighbors aren't "Real" Americans who didn't build this country, well, you can just go straight to Hell.

Oh, and can the "our", Finn-boy. You're not an American, and you never will be.

Finally.