Would you legalise marijuana for tobacco to be banned?

[Arberiia]

Alcohol should be illigal. If I could chose that option in my Nation I would do that. For me, alc is more dangerous than marijuana.

[Horsefish]

Oh really? People high on it have a higher chance of getting into a traffic accident, higher chances of suicide, chances of an overdose, higher risks of lung cancer, and more.

No-ones mentioning legalising driving when high, the suicide one I'll need a source for, the overdose one is actully impossible (the amount you need to smoke in a short time is physically impossible to smoke) and the lung cancer one is contested due to THC's slight cancer fighting properties.

[Evil Lord Bane]

I am sick to death about how people say pot is harmless. About ten years ago, I was sitting at a red light and some woman hit me from the rear very hard. As I was being put in an ambulance, she we being placed under arrest. I found out latter the police smelled the pot she was smoking as she was driving down the road, I guess she "forgot" to hit her breaks at a red light. She got busted, I had three vertebrae knocked out of my spinal column, one in my lower back and two in my neck, which was essentially broken. She almost killed me and I had to go in for emergency surgery. Ten years later, I still live with the pain every day.

One more note, my grandmother died as a direct result of second hand cigar smoke. I say ban them both.

Strawman fallacy. Marijuana's legal status has no bearing on its affect on a persons driving ability. Case in point being that marijuana was illegal and yet still this woman had some and drove a car with it.

Should alcohol be illegal for everyone because some people have caused accidents?


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I get your point, but the question was "Would you legalise marijuana for tobacco to be banned?" I said ban them both and wanted to give a reason why I think pot should remain illegal, as well as why I think tobacco should be banned as well. Neither are harmless as some here might suggest, and yes I do believe alcohol should be illegal as well, for the reason you give and a whole bunch more, they are all crutches anyway, the sign of a week person. If anything, I'd ban alcohol to legalize pot, if anything the domestic violence rate would be cut way down.

[Vector Control]

I find very hard to believe Tobacco lobby would allow it's ban... However I would prefer marijuana as the next alternative to it. My concern would be the safety issue of having to issue helmets to teenage waste cases who would abuse it and wander out into traffic..

[Renegade Island]

Strawman fallacy. Marijuana's legal status has no bearing on its affect on a persons driving ability. Case in point being that marijuana was illegal and yet still this woman had some and drove a car with it.

Should alcohol be illegal for everyone because some people have caused accidents?


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I get your point, but the question was "Would you legalise marijuana for tobacco to be banned?" I said ban them both and wanted to give a reason why I think pot should remain illegal, as well as why I think tobacco should be banned as well. Neither are harmless as some here might suggest, and yes I do believe alcohol should be illegal as well, for the reason you give and a whole bunch more, they are all crutches anyway, the sign of a week person.

You don't think people should have the right to ingest whatever substance they please, as long as it doesn't harm other people?

[Evil Lord Bane]

I get your point, but the question was "Would you legalise marijuana for tobacco to be banned?" I said ban them both and wanted to give a reason why I think pot should remain illegal, as well as why I think tobacco should be banned as well. Neither are harmless as some here might suggest, and yes I do believe alcohol should be illegal as well, for the reason you give and a whole bunch more, they are all crutches anyway, the sign of a week person.

You don't think people should have the right to ingest whatever substance they please, as long as it doesn't harm other people?

As long as it doesn't harm other people, sure, but that takes marijuana, tobacco and alcohol off the list.

[Renegade Island]

You don't think people should have the right to ingest whatever substance they please, as long as it doesn't harm other people?

As long as it doesn't harm other people, sure, but that takes marijuana, tobacco and alcohol off the list.

Explain how an individual smoking marijuana, tobacco, or drinking alcohol in the privacy of their own home harms other people?

[Northern Dominus]

I am sick to death about how people say pot is harmless. About ten years ago, I was sitting at a red light and some woman hit me from the rear very hard. As I was being put in an ambulance, she we being placed under arrest. I found out latter the police smelled the pot she was smoking as she was driving down the road, I guess she "forgot" to hit her breaks at a red light. She got busted, I had three vertebrae knocked out of my spinal column, one in my lower back and two in my neck, which was essentially broken. She almost killed me and I had to go in for emergency surgery. Ten years later, I still live with the pain every day.

One more note, my grandmother died as a direct result of second hand cigar smoke. I say ban them both.

Other than the method of absorption, how is what you experienced any different in a fundamental way from getting rear-ended by a drunk driver? Her judgement was impaired by a substance, whether it be marijuana, alcohol, or perscription medications, and in any of those events she was guilty of operating while intoxicated.

So by your standard, should we not ban alcohol and more powerful opiates like vicodin or oxycodone as well?

[Horsefish]

they are all crutches anyway, the sign of a week person.

Christ. You can't honestly think that?

[Horsefish]

As long as it doesn't harm other people, sure, but that takes marijuana, tobacco and alcohol off the list.

Apart from it doesn't. If I'm sat in my room smoking a joint/drinking a few pints/having a fag I'm not harming anyone. If I decide to drive or whatever whilst high or drunk then I am, and thats why it's illeagal.

[Ifreann]

Alcohol should be illigal. If I could chose that option in my Nation I would do that. For me, alc is more dangerous than marijuana.

Then you don't drink it. Why shouldn't I be allowed to, though?

[Suicune]

Definitely. I'd prefer both be legal, and people be free to make their own choices regarding substances they smoke/drink/consume, so long as they don't harm others.

[Ifreann]

Definitely. I'd prefer both be legal, and people be free to make their own choices regarding substances they smoke/drink/consume, so long as they don't harm others.

If you'd prefer both to be legal then why would you ban tobacco?

[Suicune]

Definitely. I'd prefer both be legal, and people be free to make their own choices regarding substances they smoke/drink/consume, so long as they don't harm others.

If you'd prefer both to be legal then why would you ban tobacco?

Because, I personally smoke weed, and don't smoke tobacco. Essentially a selfish choice, but I'd rather have easier access to weed than a product I'm not going to use.

[Risottia]

even though it could cause schizophrenia, loss of intelligence and many things that we don't know about yet.

Bs.

Anyway, I think we'd see a healthier world if smoking tobacco was banned in favour of cannabis legalisation. What do you guys think?

No. You'd just eliminate the nicotine, but tar and benzene compounds would be still there.

Prohibitionism has been shown NOT to work.

Alcohol should be illigal.

Already tried, and failed big time. The only results were more people getting stoned on low-quality alcohol, systematical tax evasion, and the mafias getting a lot more money and power than they already had.

[Normandium]

I'd definitely prefer marijuana to be legalized, bongs remove quite a lot of the tar from the smoke and pot brownies are even better. Joints, on the other hand, I don't care for, I feel that just the other forms of it should be legalized

[Halloween Karaoke]

Frankly, I'm disgusted by both cannabis and cigarettes, but I realise that weed is significantly less dangerous than the later are, even though it could cause schizophrenia, loss of intelligence and many things that we don't know about yet.

Anyway, I think we'd see a healthier world if smoking tobacco was banned in favour of cannabis legalisation. What do you guys think?

It's a very cruel question, and very unrealistic too.

Luckily, voters are never presented with such a choice. Unfortunately, they are never presented with a up/down choice on banning or legalizing either drug.

If given such a horrible choice, I would be conservative. I would leave tobacco legal, and leave cannabis illegal.

Because that is a bad choice, and it sets a terrible political precedent to ban one thing in exchange for legalizing another. Hell follows from that. Despite my personal preferences in drugs, despite the medical risks of either, despite the subjective harm/benefit of either, I simply could not approve such a terrible, unjust, arbitrary and false-dualistic choice being thrust upon me.

And I'd say the same if you asked "legalize prostitution, or ban abortion?"

Such wretched "pushing" choices can only be met with a Conservative response. No. Go away and don't come back unless you offer free choice on BOTH, independently of each other.

[The Skyheld]

Frankly, I'm disgusted by both cannabis and cigarettes, but I realise that weed is significantly less dangerous than the later are, even though it could cause schizophrenia, loss of intelligence and many things that we don't know about yet.

Anyway, I think we'd see a healthier world if smoking tobacco was banned in favour of cannabis legalisation. What do you guys think?

Much healthier seeing that cannabis is actually used as MEDICINE and PAINKILLERS and IT DOESN'T KILL YOUR BRAIN CELLS.

[Evil Lord Bane]

As long as it doesn't harm other people, sure, but that takes marijuana, tobacco and alcohol off the list.

Explain how an individual smoking marijuana, tobacco, or drinking alcohol in the privacy of their own home harms other people?

The problem is that people are doing this not only in there homes but out in public as well, there is no way to stop it. If there was a GUARANTEED way to keep people off the roads when they are high or drunk, then maybe. And remember, my grandmother was at home when she sucked in all that cigar smoke. Her lungs looked like the inside of a coal mine when she died. A nurse asked me how long she had been smoking, I told her she never smoked anything in her life, so how does smoking qualify as not harming other people?

[The Skyheld]

I'd definitely prefer marijuana to be legalized, bongs remove quite a lot of the tar from the smoke and pot brownies are even better. Joints, on the other hand, I don't care for, I feel that just the other forms of it should be legalized

Bongs, or Vaporisers as they're actually called, remove all smoke and therefore all tar. You're inhaling steam infused with cannabis, not cannabis smoke.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'd prefer to see all smoking in public (council/government) areas banned completely and restricting smokers to private venues only. If you think that's rough, you aren't allowed to drink in government controlled spaces either. I'd support the legalization of MJ only if it didn't spark a slipperly slope of pushes for other, far more harmful drugs to be legalized and if being high in public was illegal, just like being drunk in public.

If people want to die slowly, not my problem, but they can do it in their own homes.

[The Skyheld]

I'd prefer to see all smoking in public (council/government) areas banned completely and restricting smokers to private venues only. If you think that's rough, you aren't allowed to drink in government controlled spaces either. I'd support the legalization of MJ only if it didn't spark a slipperly slope of pushes for other, far more harmful drugs to be legalized and if being high in public was illegal, just like being drunk in public.

If people want to die slowly, not my problem, but they can do it in their own homes.

That smoking in public thing, most of the western world already has that.

[Kaesar the invincible]

Prohibition does not work if ciggarettes are legal at least we can regulate their production, same with cannabis (weed). The government will set up laws about the ammount of THC or nicotine allowed in each ciggarette or blunt or dime bag or what have you and will make sure the bags or ciggarettes are not laced as well as issuing a federal warning and taxing this profitable venture. In the end people will smoke no matter what and we cant swap out one illegal substance for another. Having all softcore drugs legalized will drastically increase income and decrease crime. because it would lower the cost of drugs (since we no longer have to smuggle our weed from mexico or grow it secretly in tiny patches in wooded up areas) as well as remove a major source of income from gangs and mobs. Eventually they will have to rely solely on hardcore drugs like cocaine or heroin or methamphetamine and we can just tighten the laws and arrest the traffikers (since these drugs are actually dangerous and highly addictive unlike weed) while setting up more rehabs using the tax money we got from the softcore drugs like weed or alcohol or even ciggarettes (yes I know many people die from using ciggarettes but they are too widespread to illegalize people will not abandon ciggarettes no matter what we do)

also remember how we were taught that weed is the gateway drug? if you buy your weed from a gas station nobody will pressure you to try heroin because they dont sell any and the only illegal drugs sold will be hardcore ones except only junkies will buy from them and if somene is stupid enough to STILL get addicted then we can rehabilitate trhem and put their dealer in prison.

[Ifreann]

I'd prefer to see all smoking in public (council/government) areas banned completely and restricting smokers to private venues only. If you think that's rough, you aren't allowed to drink in government controlled spaces either...

Speak for yourself, our parliament building has a bar in it.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'd prefer to see all smoking in public (council/government) areas banned completely and restricting smokers to private venues only. If you think that's rough, you aren't allowed to drink in government controlled spaces either...

Speak for yourself, our parliament building has a bar in it.

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