Spanking

[Ifreann]

If it's not resolving anything, then why are we doing it?

It's not about resolving a moral question, or telling you why you should do whatever you didn't do and got spanked for. Spanking teaches a very important lesson-sometimes, it's best to do as your told. If your parents tell you to do something, you should act now, ask later. This is very important for people to learn, since it will apply in many workplaces.

In no workplace will I face being hit by my boss if I don't ask how high when they say jump, and if they tried I'd press criminal charges and pursue a civil suit.

It also teaches you how to ask questions appropriately-how to ask why without showing doubt in someone's ability, and how to give one's opinion despite being lower on the proverbial totem pole.

One could also teach children to be respectful without hurting them when they fail to be so.

The point is, your kid shouldn't do what he's told because you're right, or because he likes what he was told to do. He should do it because you said so, out of respect for you and your authority over him.

This is absolutely not a good thing to teach children.

[Nordic Saxony]

I can't help but notice that the dictionary definition doesn't include "spanking"...

It includes beating, which is defined as " the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc".

A child deserves a slap if it has done something that defies the legislation the parent has put in place to keep them from harms way to teach them that you shouldn't do that.

I dare not say that if they do it the first time they deserve a slap, I'm saying after the second time, they deserve one.

[Dyakovo]

I can't help but notice that the dictionary definition doesn't include "spanking"...

It includes beating, which is defined as " the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc".

In what dictionary?

[Ovisterra]

If it's not resolving anything, then why are we doing it?

It's not about resolving a moral question,

I never said it was.

or telling you why you should do whatever you didn't do and got spanked for.

Then it's a poor punishment.

Spanking teaches a very important lesson-sometimes, it's best to do as your told. If your parents tell you to do something, you should act now, ask later. This is very important for people to learn, since it will apply in many workplaces.

Excuse me if I don't want to raise a kid who mindlessly follows orders. If I have kids, I want them to be free thinking.

It also teaches you how to ask questions appropriately-how to ask why without showing doubt in someone's ability,

Doubt is good. There's a reason my favourite Saint was Saint Thomas.

and how to give one's opinion despite being lower on the proverbial totem pole.

Bullshit. It teaches you that giving your opinion might result in pain, so you shouldn't do it.

I was spanked as a kid,

What a pity.

and now I feel like I'm doing pretty darn well for myself. I also helped raise my sister, and she is also doing very well.

Good for you. Good for her.

In fact, I don't know how I'll raise my kid the day I have one. Sometimes I think I should limit myself to spanking, like mum did, but other times I wonder if Grandma was on to something when she punished us, using worse punishments for repeat offences (she made us kneel on salt and uncoocked corn for an hour once. I'll never forget that punishment lol but it sure taught us not to cross her!).

That definitely crosses a line which is better off not crossed.

The point is, your kid shouldn't do what he's told because you're right,

Yes he should.

or because he likes what he was told to do.

I never said anything of the sort.

He should do it because you said so, out of respect for you and your authority over him.

Once again, mindless respect for authority is bad. My respect is earned, thanks.

[Ifreann]

It includes beating, which is defined as " the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc".

A child deserves a slap if it has done something that defies the legislation

Really bad phrasing. Parents do not pass laws over their children.

the parent has put in place to keep them from harms way to teach them that you shouldn't do that.

I dare not say that if they do it the first time they deserve a slap, I'm saying after the second time, they deserve one.

No they don't.

[Ovisterra]

It includes beating, which is defined as " the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc".

In what dictionary?

The same one I used a moment ago. Dictionary.reference.com

You had no problem with it then, so I trust you will have no problem with it now.

[Dyakovo]

It includes beating, which is defined as " the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc".

A child deserves a slap if it has done something that defies the legislation the parent has put in place to keep them from harms way to teach them that you shouldn't do that.

If other measures fail to instill said lesson...

[Dyakovo]

In what dictionary?

The same one I used a moment ago. Dictionary.reference.com

You had no problem with it then, so I trust you will have no problem with it now.

I was simply asking...
I disagree that a spanking is automatically a beating/abuse.

[Ifreann]

A child deserves a slap if it has done something that defies the legislation the parent has put in place to keep them from harms way to teach them that you shouldn't do that.

If other measures fail to instill said lesson...

If hurting them fails to instil that lesson, then what? Hurt them more? Move on from causing brief pain to longer lasting injuries and hurts?

[Dyakovo]

If other measures fail to instill said lesson...

If hurting them fails to instil that lesson, then what? Hurt them more? Move on from causing brief pain to longer lasting injuries and hurts?

I never encountered that problem.

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Of course, children need a little fear or they end up like the corrupt things we have running around today.

[Ifreann]

Of course, children need a little fear or they end up like the corrupt things we have running around today.

And you can demonstrate this to be factually accurate? Or is it just your own idea of how things work without proper basis?

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If hurting them fails to instil that lesson, then what? Hurt them more? Move on from causing brief pain to longer lasting injuries and hurts?

I never encountered that problem.

Shouldn't stop you from answering.

[Sorisati]

My mother runs a home daycare, and for over a decade i've witnessed the actions of several children that came to our house. My mother did not spank these children, but when I was young, when I was being overly obstinate or wouldnt listen, i got the occasional spank. It taught me to smarten up and listen. Some of these kids that came to my house NEED a good spanking, they're absolute brats because their parents are obsessed with this idea of "modern parenting". I'm simply saying that from visual evidence, children who are disciplined now a days, by parents who give them everything they want and try to REASON with 3 year old are STUPID. YOU CANNOT REASON WITH SMALL CHILDREN! THEY'RE NOT OLD ENOUGH OR DEVELOPED ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND. That is why when a child is acting up rediculously, a little smack in the butt can be necessary to teach them to smarten up and show them that the parent is IN CHARGE. All three of my siblings and I recieved a few spankings as children and my parents have been complimented on how respectful we are (not to toot my own horn). Kids these days are so much brattier than they were 10 to 15 years ago. Our parents didn't try to reason with us about why we had to clean up our toys until we were old enough to understand. I loved my childhood and i'm thankful to my parents for disciplining me reasonably so that I may not be a total brat. But thats just me.

[Glorious Freedonia]

If we are all screw ups then according to logic then we are all living in a post apocalyptic hell hole or caves. If you know this to be true I shudder to think what sort of situation that you are in.

Nopedy nopdey nope. Your defintion of screw-ups requires everyone to agree with a person before the apocalypse arrives, so it's possible for everyone to be a screw up before said cataclysm happens.

You gave me an internet definition of child abuse. It does not mention spanking as part of child abuse. Spanking is not beating which you underlined. Not everyone on the internet agrees on anything. I am not being arrogant. Then internet definition and mine are harmonious.

Beating
Noun

1. the act of a person or thing that beats, as to punish, clean, mix, etc.: Give the rug a good beating.

Beat
Verb

1. to strike violently or forcefully and repeatedly.

I do not understand what you are trying to say after the nopedy nopedy nopedy intro I think we are misunderstanding each other somehow. I have no idea what you are talking about with apocalypses and people needing to agree with each other about apocalypses.

[Dyakovo]

Of course, children need a little fear or they end up like the corrupt things we have running around today.

And you can demonstrate this to be factually accurate? Or is it just your own idea of how things work without proper basis?

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I never encountered that problem.

Shouldn't stop you from answering.

I did answer, you just don't like the response.

[Ifreann]

My mother runs a home daycare, and for over a decade i've witnessed the actions of several children that came to our house. My mother did not spank these children, but when I was young, when I was being overly obstinate or wouldnt listen, i got the occasional spank. It taught me to smarten up and listen. Some of these kids that came to my house NEED a good spanking, they're absolute brats because their parents are obsessed with this idea of "modern parenting". I'm simply saying that from visual evidence...

What you've seen isn't really useful as evidence.

[Ovisterra]

Nopedy nopdey nope. Your defintion of screw-ups requires everyone to agree with a person before the apocalypse arrives, so it's possible for everyone to be a screw up before said cataclysm happens.

I do not understand what you are trying to say after the nopedy nopedy nopedy intro I think we are misunderstanding each other somehow. I have no idea what you are talking about with apocalypses and people needing to agree with each other about apocalypses.

It has gotten a little confusing. How about we stop arguing over whether or not I'm a screw-up and you answer the rest of the post, in which I reliably showed that spanking is child abuse.

[Wind in the Willows]

I believe spanking is child abuse.

[Dyakovo]

I do not understand what you are trying to say after the nopedy nopedy nopedy intro I think we are misunderstanding each other somehow. I have no idea what you are talking about with apocalypses and people needing to agree with each other about apocalypses.

It has gotten a little confusing. How about we stop arguing over whether or not I'm a screw-up and you answer the rest of the post, in which I reliably showed that spanking is child abuse.

Not really.

[Ethel mermania]

Good parents don't have to spank their kids ever. Only lazy ones who know no other way to convince their kids of their wrong doing other than to hit them.

clearly your not a parent.

there are times when a swat is required, but if you are having to spank routinely, your right, it is not good parenting.

once a kid is over 6 or 7 , spanking does lose its usefullness as a disiplinary tool

[Ifreann]

And you can demonstrate this to be factually accurate? Or is it just your own idea of how things work without proper basis?

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Shouldn't stop you from answering.

I did answer, you just don't like the response.

Because it was non-responsive.

[Glorious Freedonia]

How does spanking solve disagreements? Spanking is not about resolving anything, it merely provides discipline.

So it's basically torture. You're causing pain to bring about some particular behaviour in a person.

You grew up in a strange family if you think that spanking is torture. Did your father wear round spectacles and use a German accent and tell you "You will apologize to your Brother for stealing his toy unt breaking it. Ahh you refuse. Your Mother unt I Vee have vays of making you talk!"

[Fascistic Republic Of Canada]

Of course, children need a little fear or they end up like the corrupt things we have running around today.

And you can demonstrate this to be factually accurate? Or is it just your own idea of how things work without proper basis?

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I never encountered that problem.

Shouldn't stop you from answering.

Compare a child from 1930's Germany or 1950's USA to now, back then corporal punishment was allowed. You didn't have the cultural degeneracy and widespread disgusting aptitudes they express now. Underage drug use and lack of discipline has surfaced because of these liberalized attitudes.

[Ovisterra]

It has gotten a little confusing. How about we stop arguing over whether or not I'm a screw-up and you answer the rest of the post, in which I reliably showed that spanking is child abuse.

Not really.

Care to elaborate?

[Dyakovo]

I did answer, you just don't like the response.

Because it was non-responsive.

It is, however, the only answer I have...
Unlike most of you, child rearing is not a theoretical exercise for me.