Spanking

[Rackenshan]

Whatever the view here will not Change those who were spanked will for the most part agree & those who didn't will view it as abuse.

Congratulations on missing the posters in the thread who have been spanked and stated they disagree with it.

You know I really have other RPs waiting. You may not want to believe this but I was spanked not abused. I was only given spankings when I broke a rule. Those who said they came in and hit them that is abuse, but my parents love me very much and I know that they hated when they had to spank me, but I had to be taught not to break the rules. Now I must go. Proceed to put out your best argument and claim you won because you do not seem to understand what any one who is for it is saying. Good bye and have a great life.

[Yankee Empire]

No, I had a reason.

No, you don't have a reason and you're only here for the sake of being snide to other posters.

Anyone else mind if we shut this down? It's sinking faster than the Titanic.

I wouldn't mind.

I mean i don't think any actual rules are being broken even if this thread is inhabited by hypocrites who can't back up their own argument.

Then again the original poster hasn't made a single post after the opening title.

[Novairia]

Maybe not the whole hand.. but many people are missing one or two fingers that could use it for parts. Just saying, It does have value.

It's me. It has no value.

But thats the thing, once it was cut off, It's not entirely you. It became a quasi-tradeable good. Its now just a hand. Now it has value to a prospective buyer.

[Idealismania]

any punishment I would ever inflict on my child would be out of love. I would want the child to learn something that will be good for them in the long run. I would never automatically go to spanking as a method of punishment, but if that is the best method of learning an important lesson then I wouldn't exclude it.

[Saiwania]

I don't consider spanking to be child abuse, so long as it isn't done without any reason. Sometimes corporal punishment is the only effective deterrent to rebellious behavior. I was beat with a belt and worse, but I'm okay with it and understand why my parents saw such discipline as necessary.

[Glorious Oppressive Nation of Strictland]

Having looked over this there a few problems i have noticed by people who are saying spanking is wrong

1. They say its abuse and do not seem to understand what abuse can be
While i would agree that hitting someone is a form of abuse my main issue is that these people are probably ignorant of what 'abuse fully encompasses. Shouting at someone is considerd a form of abuse, Glaring at someone is too.
The list of things that could be abusive would actually make the process of disiplining a child extremley difficult. The way i see it you would need to be harsh to a child in some sort of way if they had been extremley naughty and you wanted them to understand that they needed to stop. Otherwise the child would simply run rampant

2. They say a good parent wouldnt need to do it.
This is just silly as 'good parent' is subjective and to be honest everyone thinks they are a better parent then anyone else. How you bring up a child isn't something that has to be a certain way to be right. So long as the child is not a messed up wreck in the future. I was spanked when i was young and it didnt effect me. Im pretty sure others i know got spanked but are not traumatised by it.

3. They have not explained other methods instead
From what i have read the people who have said spanking is wrong have not given any alternatives. If spanking is wrong and you say a good parent does not need to do it, then explain what should be done instead. Im still unsure what other alternatives there are especially as i have explained above even shouting is considered abuse.

Im not supporting spanking children in any way and if i ever had a child i would hope not to ever need to spank them. However i would prefer some more in depth arguements instead of just 'Its abuse' or belittling comments.

[Natapoc]

Hitting children (or adults) is wrong and abusive. Parents who spank their children teach the idea that violence is the proper way to solve disagreements.

[Yankee Empire]

Hitting children (or adults) is wrong and abusive. Parents who spank their children teach the idea that violence is the proper way to solve disagreements.

It never is?

[Frisivisia]

Hitting children (or adults) is wrong and abusive. Parents who spank their children teach the idea that violence is the proper way to solve disagreements.

It never is?

The only proper use of violence is to end violence. In the end, bloodshed hurts us all.

[Yankee Empire]

It never is?

The only proper use of violence is to end violence. In the end, bloodshed hurts us all.

We can usually spare it though.

[Frisivisia]

The only proper use of violence is to end violence. In the end, bloodshed hurts us all.

We can usually spare it though.

We do have a few pints, but that's more for papercuts, etc.

[Yankee Empire]

We can usually spare it though.

We do have a few pints, but that's more for papercuts, etc.

Yeah it's true as a metaphor or in reality.

It may sound harshn aim no nihilist, but look at the large amounts of death that occured in the last century, didn't even put a dent in population growth.

[Frisivisia]

We do have a few pints, but that's more for papercuts, etc.

Yeah it's true as a metaphor or in reality.

It may sound harshn aim no nihilist, but look at the large amounts of death that occured in the last century, didn't even put a dent in population growth.

People are damn good at forgetting condoms.

[Kakistopolis]

Spanking rarely works because you aren't creating a pain stimulus as close as possible to the child's seat of conciousness. A sturdy, blunt object, like a tire iron, swung suddenly and with sufficient force directly into the side of the child's cranium can usually render them unconscious. Which is also beneficial as an alternative to spanking because this period of unconciousness can last for several blessedly silent hours in which you'd otherwise be dealing with a child wailing in pain because you didn't hit him or her hard enough and in the right spot.

[Yankee Empire]

Yeah it's true as a metaphor or in reality.

It may sound harshn aim no nihilist, but look at the large amounts of death that occured in the last century, didn't even put a dent in population growth.

People are damn good at forgetting condoms.

XD Especially after a war!

[Frisivisia]

Spanking rarely works because you aren't creating a pain stimulus as close as possible to the child's seat of conciousness. A sturdy, blunt object, like a tire iron, swung suddenly and with sufficient force directly into the side of the child's cranium can usually render them unconscious. Which is also beneficial as an alternative to spanking because this period of unconciousness can last for several blessedly silent hours in which you'd otherwise be dealing with a child wailing in pain because you didn't hit him or her hard enough and in the right spot.

Trolling is disallowed on these forums.

[Frisivisia]

People are damn good at forgetting condoms.

XD Especially after a war!

Can't say it doesn't feel better.

[New Bovinia]

Let the punishment fit the crime (so to speak). If the child's infraction is severe enough then feel free to spank. If you ever seen a child wearing a diaper being "spanked" you know spanking isn't about pain. You can uses the same force used to comfort wih a pat on butt or same force to burp the child with no response, however when that same gentel pat is applied as a form of discipline the child will cry.

The idea of "timeout" doesn't work when the child realizes there is nothing to keep them in tforcedimeout other than the threat of another timeout.
Now in older children the spanking becomes futile as well. Grounding for a period of time can be more fruitful if you inforce the grounding. Making them stay in room is useless if they have a TV, phone line, or computer in room.

[Srboslavija]

Someone did the same joke earlier in the topic. I thought that ship had sailed but the opportunity was right there again

So in essence you have no answer.

In essence it was a joke.

No need to be a big bundle of sticks about it.

[Frisivisia]

Let the punishment fit the crime (so to speak). If the child's infraction is severe enough then feel free to spank. If you ever seen a child wearing a diaper being "spanked" you know spanking isn't about pain. You can uses the same force used to comfort wih a pat on butt or same force to burp the child with no response, however when that same gentel pat is applied as a form of discipline the child will cry.

The idea of "timeout" doesn't work when the child realizes there is nothing to keep them in tforcedimeout other than the threat of another timeout.
Now in older children the spanking becomes futile as well. Grounding for a period of time can be more fruitful if you inforce the grounding. Making them stay in room is useless if they have a TV, phone line, or computer in room.

Letting the punishment fit the crime leads to a barbarist society. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Especially among children, who are unable to inflict deep-cut psychological wounds in you, as you are in them.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Let the punishment fit the crime (so to speak). If the child's infraction is severe enough then feel free to spank. If you ever seen a child wearing a diaper being "spanked" you know spanking isn't about pain. You can uses the same force used to comfort wih a pat on butt or same force to burp the child with no response, however when that same gentel pat is applied as a form of discipline the child will cry.

The idea of "timeout" doesn't work when the child realizes there is nothing to keep them in tforcedimeout other than the threat of another timeout.
Now in older children the spanking becomes futile as well. Grounding for a period of time can be more fruitful if you inforce the grounding. Making them stay in room is useless if they have a TV, phone line, or computer in room.

Letting the punishment fit the crime leads to a barbarist society. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Especially among children, who are unable to inflict deep-cut psychological wounds in you, as you are in them.

Really? Really?

[Kakistopolis]

Spanking rarely works because you aren't creating a pain stimulus as close as possible to the child's seat of conciousness. A sturdy, blunt object, like a tire iron, swung suddenly and with sufficient force directly into the side of the child's cranium can usually render them unconscious. Which is also beneficial as an alternative to spanking because this period of unconciousness can last for several blessedly silent hours in which you'd otherwise be dealing with a child wailing in pain because you didn't hit him or her hard enough and in the right spot.

Trolling is disallowed on these forums.

Ah, but satire isn't.

[Saint Jade IV]

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Why would someone hit a child on the ass while they were doing something bad? It's not like the kid's a bodybuilder - grab them and move them if they're small enough or just restrain them if they're too large to easily carry. No need to hit them.

I'm not sure if you've ever had to deal with small children, but I have and I guarantee you that picking them up, moving them on or restraining them is in no way as easy as it sounds and certainly not possible without hurting them in one way or another.

I deal with them on a daily basis. I've never felt an urge to raise a hand to them.

[Saint Jade IV]

Having looked over this there a few problems i have noticed by people who are saying spanking is wrong

1. They say its abuse and do not seem to understand what abuse can be
While i would agree that hitting someone is a form of abuse my main issue is that these people are probably ignorant of what 'abuse fully encompasses. Shouting at someone is considerd a form of abuse, Glaring at someone is too.
The list of things that could be abusive would actually make the process of disiplining a child extremley difficult. The way i see it you would need to be harsh to a child in some sort of way if they had been extremley naughty and you wanted them to understand that they needed to stop. Otherwise the child would simply run rampant

I say its abuse. I understand what abuse is. Hitting a defenceless child for perceived infractions is abuse. Usually when children are "extremely naughty" it's because they don't understand why they should not behave in the way that they are. They do not understand the risks involved in their behaviour. Hitting them does not teach them to stop that behaviour, it only teaches them not to get caught.

2. They say a good parent wouldnt need to do it.
This is just silly as 'good parent' is subjective and to be honest everyone thinks they are a better parent then anyone else. How you bring up a child isn't something that has to be a certain way to be right. So long as the child is not a messed up wreck in the future. I was spanked when i was young and it didnt effect me. Im pretty sure others i know got spanked but are not traumatised by it.

And I know people who were spanked as children, and grew up to be messed up wrecks. I also know plenty of kids who honestly believe they were not abused or traumatised, but clearly are.

3. They have not explained other methods instead
From what i have read the people who have said spanking is wrong have not given any alternatives. If spanking is wrong and you say a good parent does not need to do it, then explain what should be done instead. Im still unsure what other alternatives there are especially as i have explained above even shouting is considered abuse.

Plenty of people have suggested alternatives. That you have not chosen to read them doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Mexican Liberation]

It's disappointing to know that over half of those in the poll support spanking...

I've seen child abuse happening right in front of my eyes,physical and verbal,maybe even mental

Those who suffer from child abuse tell me that it all happened with one thing...spankings...but then it multiplied into even harsher punishments...

Child abusers disgust me...and I see spankers as child abusers...

I would understand why the child would need to be punished,but is there really a reason to stoop down to their level and spank them?