Socialismphobia

[Camelza]

But communism isn't socialism ...they're different!

Communism is a variant of socialism.

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

[Maudlnya]

But communism isn't socialism ...they're different!

Communism is a variant of socialism.

That is true you know

[Divair]

Communism is a variant of socialism.

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

No.


Social democracy. It's capitalist (has a market), but not all capitalists are social democrats.
Communism. It's socialist (has democratization of the workplace), but not all socialists are communists.

[Dinahia]

Communism is a variant of socialism.

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

That similarity is socialism.

[Dinahia]

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

No.


Social democracy. It's capitalist ([has private property]), but not all capitalists are social democrats.
Communism. It's socialist (has democratization of the workplace), but not all socialists are communists.

*Not all markets are capitalist.

[Camelza]

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

No.


Social democracy. It's capitalist, but not all capitalists are social democrats.
Communism. It's socialist, but not all socialists are communists.

Socialism is capitalist as it posseses a class system,communism is an anarchistic ideology in nature as there is no class system.

[Divair]

No.


Social democracy. It's capitalist, but not all capitalists are social democrats.
Communism. It's socialist, but not all socialists are communists.

Socialism is capitalist as it posseses a class system,communism is an anarchistic ideology in nature as there is no class system.

No. Capitalism has nothing to do with classes.

[Camelza]

No,communism does sometimes originate from socialism but it's like a mother-son thing
...despite the one gives birth to the other and both share similarities they're still different persons ideologies/systems.

That similarity is socialism.

The main similarity is the worker-owned means of production actually.

[Dinahia]

No.


Social democracy. It's capitalist, but not all capitalists are social democrats.
Communism. It's socialist, but not all socialists are communists.

Socialism is capitalist as it posseses a class system,communism is an anarchistic ideology in nature as there is no class system.

No. Socialism does not advocate a class system.
Neither does capitalism.

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. Nothing more.
(Communism does this, and is therefore socialist.)

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned. Nothing more.

[Dinahia]

That similarity is socialism.

The main similarity is the worker-owned means of production actually.

That is socialism.

[Camelza]

Socialism is capitalist as it posseses a class system,communism is an anarchistic ideology in nature as there is no class system.

No. Capitalism has nothing to do with classes.

Okay wrong selection of words,not capitalist,scaled-societyist. ...happy now?

[Divair]

No. Capitalism has nothing to do with classes.

Okay wrong selection of words,not capitalist,scaled-societyist. ...happy now?

No clue what "scaled-societyist" is supposed to mean, but this proves my point.

[Camelza]

The main similarity is the worker-owned means of production actually.

That is socialism.

Yes,but communism despite having socialism inside its structure isn't socialist.

[Wirbel]

2: Socialism, is very, very close in ways to communism, only perhaps less radical and definitely less violent. Even so, socialism is still a dangerous slope in those regards.

Communism isn't violent.

3: Socialism can actually hurt business. While its true capitalism can get out of hand, socialism is just the same and too much of it can create an unbalanced scale.

Bullshit. The workers owning the means of production can hurt business how?

4: The Soviet Union and the Cold War obviously got Americans alert about the potential dangers of communism, and even socialists were considered potential communists. All the socialists really need were a little incentive.

No, they got the alert about the potential dangers of totalitarianism.

5: The best way for socialism to work is to have a large government, and large governments will always try shoving their noses into everything. Americans for the most part don't feel comfortable being watched all the time. Protected, yes. Babysitted, not really.

Socialism doesn't call for nor require a large government. In face, early socialists ADVOCATED for free markets, and believed that workers owning the means of production creates a more free market.

6 (Just my opinion at this point.): Michael Moore; Need I say Moore?

Glad you didn't claim anything as fact.

Why don't you experiment with your ideas on someone else (who is willing to be experimented on)? Then come back and tell me how it turns out. Amercians do not want to be guinea pigs.

[Divair]

That is socialism.

Yes,but communism despite having socialism inside its structure isn't socialist.

Yes, it is. Just like how social democracy has capitalism in its structure and is thus capitalist.

[Camelza]

Okay wrong selection of words,not capitalist,scaled-societyist. ...happy now?

No clue what "scaled-societyist" is supposed to mean, but this proves my point.

I mean a scaled society,like,with classes. ...and this proves nothing.

[Svirasova]

i always though socialism meant government direction of capital.

the question then becomes what is socialism, is there a common definition of it?

i thought marx said socialism was a step on the way to communism.

I think that quote is Democracy is a step to Socialism.

[Dinahia]

That is socialism.

Yes,but communism despite having socialism inside its structure isn't socialist.

If a person advocates socialism, it is socialist.
If an ideology advocates socialism, it is socialist.
Communism is an ideology that advocates socialism, it is therefore socialist.
However, communism is not socialism. They are not synonyms.
Comprende?

[Camelza]

Yes,but communism despite having socialism inside its structure isn't socialist.

Yes, it is. Just like how social democracy has capitalism in its structure and is thus capitalist.

Yes,but,communism bares huge differences in practice from socialism as there are no classes or currency,so it's a different ideology that includes socialism but that doesn't make it socialist.

[Divair]

Yes, it is. Just like how social democracy has capitalism in its structure and is thus capitalist.

Yes,but,communism bares huge differences in practice from socialism as there are no classes or currency,so it's a different ideology that includes socialism but that doesn't make it socialist.

No.

The lack of classes and currency are what make communism its own unique variant of socialism. It is socialist because it has democratization of the workplace.

[Dinahia]

Yes, it is. Just like how social democracy has capitalism in its structure and is thus capitalist.

Yes,but,communism bares huge differences in practice from socialism as there are no classes or currency,so it's a different ideology that includes socialism but that doesn't make it socialist.

Socialism does not advocate currency or classes.
Did you read my posts?
Here they are again:

Yes,but communism despite having socialism inside its structure isn't socialist.

If a person advocates socialism, it is socialist.
If an ideology advocates socialism, it is socialist.
Communism is an ideology that advocates socialism, it is therefore socialist.
However, communism is not socialism. They are not synonyms.
Comprende?

Socialism is capitalist as it posseses a class system,communism is an anarchistic ideology in nature as there is no class system.

No. Socialism does not advocate a class system.
Neither does capitalism.
Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. Nothing more.
(Communism does this, and is therefore socialist.)
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned. Nothing more.

[Camelza]

Yes,but,communism bares huge differences in practice from socialism as there are no classes or currency,so it's a different ideology that includes socialism but that doesn't make it socialist.

Socialism does not advocate currency or classes.
Did you read my posts?
Here they are again:

If a person advocates socialism, it is socialist.
If an ideology advocates socialism, it is socialist.
Communism is an ideology that advocates socialism, it is therefore socialist.
However, communism is not socialism. They are not synonyms.
Comprende?

No. Socialism does not advocate a class system.
Neither does capitalism.
Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources. Nothing more.
(Communism does this, and is therefore socialist.)
Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned. Nothing more.

You're the one that didn't read mine ...I said communism doesn't advocate classes and a currency not socialism.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

This should not require a diagram.

Simples?

[Camelza]

Yes,but,communism bares huge differences in practice from socialism as there are no classes or currency,so it's a different ideology that includes socialism but that doesn't make it socialist.

No.

The lack of classes and currency are what make communism its own unique variant of socialism. It is socialist because it has democratization of the workplace.

it's PART socialist not socialist.

[Camelza]

This should not require a diagram.

(Image)

Simples?

Fine,I surrender.