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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:17 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Oh yeah?


Yup, your heros weren't even socialists. Sorry dude, its true.

Says the syndicalist....
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:19 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yup, your heros weren't even socialists. Sorry dude, its true.

Says the syndicalist....

Says the Stalinist...
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:19 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yup, your heros weren't even socialists. Sorry dude, its true.

Says the Anarchist....


Me an anarchist? Read my sig again, you obviously don't know who you're talking to. :rofl:
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Says the Anarchist....


Me an anarchist? Read my sig again, you obviously don't know who you're talking to. :rofl:

I corrected it...
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Chestaan » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:27 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Yup, your heros weren't even socialists. Sorry dude, its true.

Says the syndicalist....


What's the problem with syndicalism?
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:28 am

Chestaan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Says the syndicalist....


What's the problem with syndicalism?

Not REAL Communism, like Stalinism.
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:30 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
What's the problem with syndicalism?

Not REAL Communism, like Stalinism.

:ugeek:
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:34 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Chestaan wrote:
What's the problem with syndicalism?

Not REAL Communism, like Stalinism.


Uh, I'm not an Anarcho-Syndicalist. :blink:
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Postby CTALNH » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:36 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Not REAL Communism, like Stalinism.


Uh, I'm not an Anarcho-Syndicalist. :blink:

A true worker state doesn't need syndicalists...
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
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T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:46 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Uh, I'm not an Anarcho-Syndicalist. :blink:

A true worker state doesn't need syndicalists...


Nah, I think federalism is necessary, hence my adherence to Syndicalism. Unitarianism is too rigid.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:38 am

you're all liberal trots
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:40 am

Souseiseki wrote:you're all liberal trots


Not really, I'm neither a liberal nor a trot.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:45 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:you're all liberal trots


Not really, I'm neither a liberal nor a trot.

tell it to the judge
ask moderation about reading serious moderation candidates TGs without telling them about it until afterwards and/or apparently refusing to confirm/deny the exact timeline of TG reading ~~~ i hope you never sent any of the recent mods or the ones that got really close anything personal!

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Postby Zweite Alaje » Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Not really, I'm neither a liberal nor a trot.

tell it to the judge


Ok, are you trying to make a point or just being silly? :?
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:00 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:tell it to the judge


Ok, are you trying to make a point or just being silly? :?

sorry someone posted in the gender titles thread that everyone deserved to be in gulags and i got a bit excited
ask moderation about reading serious moderation candidates TGs without telling them about it until afterwards and/or apparently refusing to confirm/deny the exact timeline of TG reading ~~~ i hope you never sent any of the recent mods or the ones that got really close anything personal!

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Postby Camelza » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:45 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ok, are you trying to make a point or just being silly? :?

sorry someone posted in the gender titles thread that everyone deserved to be in gulags and i got a bit excited

It's okay,I once got in a fight over Islam being conservative or not which started simply by asking if cannabis is free in New Zealand.
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Postby LazySlobinski » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:58 pm

I dunno but to me it sounds like you guys are describing something like those group projects you have to do at school. If you can get in a group with some smart nerd, then you don't have to do nothing. Sit back and the nerd will work his tail off cause he doesn't want to fail, and you get the same grade.

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Postby Camelza » Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:16 am

LazySlobinski wrote:I dunno but to me it sounds like you guys are describing something like those group projects you have to do at school. If you can get in a group with some smart nerd, then you don't have to do nothing. Sit back and the nerd will work his tail off cause he doesn't want to fail, and you get the same grade.

wut.

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Postby Divair » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:03 am

Camelza wrote:
LazySlobinski wrote:I dunno but to me it sounds like you guys are describing something like those group projects you have to do at school. If you can get in a group with some smart nerd, then you don't have to do nothing. Sit back and the nerd will work his tail off cause he doesn't want to fail, and you get the same grade.

wut.

I agree.

wut

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Postby CTALNH » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:08 am

Camelza wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:sorry someone posted in the gender titles thread that everyone deserved to be in gulags and i got a bit excited

It's okay,I once got in a fight over Islam being conservative or not which started simply by asking if cannabis is free in New Zealand.
...NSG is a mad place that turns people who dare to defy its madness into madmen themselfes.

Good thing that I was already mad Fanatic when I joined...
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
Economic Left/Right: -9.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.64
Lawful Neutral/Lawful Evil half and half.
Authoritarian Extreme Leftist because fuck pre-existing Ideologies.
"Epicus Doomicus Metallicus"
Radical Anti-Radical Feminist Feminist
S.W.I.F: Sex Worker Inclusionary Feminist.
T.I.F: Trans Inclusionary Feminist

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Postby Dinahia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:21 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Chestaan wrote:What's the problem with syndicalism?

Not REAL Communism, like Stalinism.

He never said he is a communist.
You don't have to be a communist to know what it is.
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Postby Romanitea » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:35 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:If communism/socialism is the logical outcome of democracy... then how come every time a self-declared socialist government who claims to seek communism as the goal takes power it always leads to a dictatorship?


Tell me more about how Cyprus and Moldova are dictatorships.

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Postby Genocidonia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:22 am

huh I didn't know Nepal was a dictatorship.

Also, communist parties are usually marxist-leninist, which advocates the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" (the proletariat represented by the communist party)

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Postby Dinahia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:25 pm

Romanitea wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:If communism/socialism is the logical outcome of democracy... then how come every time a self-declared socialist government who claims to seek communism as the goal takes power it always leads to a dictatorship?

Tell me more about how Cyprus and Moldova are dictatorships.

Genocidonia wrote:huh I didn't know Nepal was a dictatorship.
Also, communist parties are usually marxist-leninist, which advocates the establishment of a "dictatorship of the proletariat" (the proletariat represented by the communist party)

Proletariat is a collective noun, referring to all proletarians (workers) as a whole.
Dictatorship of the proletariat simply means the rule of the workers.

The lack of democracy in states like the Soviet Union has nothing to do with socialism. Correlation does not mean causation.
There have been and still are plenty of non-democratic capitalist nations. That does not mean capitalism leads to non-democratic national governance. Similarly, socialism does not lead to non-democratic governance, and instead the lack of democracy in many historic and existing socialist states is the result of other factors.
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Postby Genocidonia » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:35 pm

^this is 100% correct to anyone lurking.

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