Feminists destroy posters advocating human rights for men

[Merriwhether]

The problem being?

Your being a 14 year old boy might have something to do with your total mischaracterization of feminism.

Thats me giving you the benefit of the doubt. Its the best you'll get.

Do you have, perhaps, a reliable source on hand that I might be able to resolve the errors in my characterization of feminism? I would be appreciative.

[Saint Jade IV]

Actually, the problem, societally speaking, is more that women are discouraged from expressing their sexuality, or their urges. The "leading a man on" mindset tells women that if they do express sexuality, they are expected to go full-steam ahead, with whatever the man wants, since he has a right to expect that. They are not taught that it is acceptable for them to express their sexuality at a level comfortable for them, without being expected to go further. Women are, from a societal standpoint, pretty much told, "If you don't want to have sex, don't be sexual. At all. Ever."

Funny, I would have thought that between getting dinner ready and doing the laundry you wouldn't have time to learn how to read.

I'm dictating.

[Question Everything]

I'd be wasting my time trying to explain anything on a website like this. People here are so deluded by their own echo chambers that facts rarely ever get through. That's why I don't seriously debate on this website anymore, because it's very similar to watching an evolutionist debate a creationist. Both sides just clamor on and resort to verbal abuse when they run out of ideas. Nope. I'm done with that. Take my statement or don't. I really don't care.

So, you have absolutely nothing to back up that feminists celebrated when a man's gentiles were mutilated, other than your victimization complex? Unlike (I suspect) you, I actually know feminists. Intelligent ones, you write about this shit and try and get published. Not a single feminist that I'm aware of was celebrating.

At this point its not unfair of me to say that you're totally full of shit.

And if we're being honest here, there is nothing I can really say that would make you change that stance either, so there is no real point in going out of my way to prove anything to you. Just stick to your guns, and i'll stick to mine.

[Neo Art]

Funny, I would have thought that between getting dinner ready and doing the laundry you wouldn't have time to learn how to read.

I'm dictating.

The castle of aaaaaahhhhggggg?

[Althihex]

Thing is, we should be equally appalled if it was men destroying posters advocating human rights for women as we are with women destroying posters advocating human rights for men. They're called human rights for a reason, people just need to stop pretending there should be any separation between the genders. I mean, we're pretty much policed into our genders at a young age... 'Pink toys are for girls, cars and building sets and action figures are for boys'. I don't know about you, but i honestly would have preferred getting an optimus prime to a barbie doll for christmas when i was 8.

[Acro]

These are the radical feminists, who think that men are inferior. Regular Feminists think they all sexes are equal, which is what i think

[Des-Bal]

I feel like I would care more if I was in the least bit surprised.

[Choronzon]

So, you have absolutely nothing to back up that feminists celebrated when a man's gentiles were mutilated, other than your victimization complex? Unlike (I suspect) you, I actually know feminists. Intelligent ones, you write about this shit and try and get published. Not a single feminist that I'm aware of was celebrating.

At this point its not unfair of me to say that you're totally full of shit.

And if we're being honest here, there is nothing I can really say that would make you change that stance either, so there is no real point in going out of my way to prove anything to you. Just stick to your guns, and i'll stick to mine.

So, you have jack shit?

[Choronzon]

I feel like I would care more if I was in the least bit surprised.

Who'd have thought that a troll might get the reaction they were looking for?

[Des-Bal]

Who'd have thought that a troll might get the reaction they were looking for?

Hope your referring to the women ripping down posters.

[Choronzon]

Who'd have thought that a troll might get the reaction they were looking for?

Hope your referring to the women ripping down posters.

No, I'm referring to those posters.

But don't let me get in the way of your mischaracterization.

[Choronzon]

Your being a 14 year old boy might have something to do with your total mischaracterization of feminism.

Thats me giving you the benefit of the doubt. Its the best you'll get.

Do you have, perhaps, a reliable source on hand that I might be able to resolve the errors in my characterization of feminism? I would be appreciative.

I haven't forgotten about you, either. I'm still trying to find you something but my internet is fucked at the moment.

[Des-Bal]

No, I'm referring to those posters.

But don't let me get in the way of your mischaracterization.

Go ahead and point out which parts you object to.

[Meryuma]

Also, the forms of sex that she happens to be most against are those most likely to be engaged in by gay men

Source? Not out of skepticism, just genuine curiosity.

Your being a 14 year old boy might have something to do with your total mischaracterization of feminism.

Thats me giving you the benefit of the doubt. Its the best you'll get.

I'd try and refrain from fighting sexism with ageism.

[Tahar Joblis]

And if we're being honest here, there is nothing I can really say that would make you change that stance either, so there is no real point in going out of my way to prove anything to you. Just stick to your guns, and i'll stick to mine.

So, you have jack shit?

Here, I'll give y'all a freebie:

whatever the judgment of America's patriarchal legal system, Lorena Bobbitt is for most feminists no criminal. She is instead a symbol of innovative resistance against gender oppression everywhere. (NYT letter to the editor, 1994)
1994, NYT.
1993, NYT.
Interesting background article where an acquaintance recounts that Bobbitt suggested she would maim her husband if he cheated on her - which was actually the motivation of a more recent penis-chopping wife.

When I said that Lorena Bobbitt chopping her husband's penis off made her into a feminist folk hero of sorts, I was unfortunately not pulling that out of my ass (just as, when I said that some feminists lept to Valerie Solanas's defense, I was unfortunately simply accurate). A large number of supposed feminists seem unable to see violence against men as problematic, and seem to be trapped in an "us vs. them" mentality.

You can say that these are not true feminists, but if they aren't, then there are quite a few feminist impersonators running around, some of them in prominent positions.

By contrast... this was a major television station's female editorial news show. You don't have to scrounge the more dimly lit and less notable corners of the internet to see women condoning penis-chopping and making very hateful commentary about it; not only assuming that the woman had some good reason, but making spiteful anti-male comments while they do so (suggesting feeding the penis to the dog, countering that "why does the dog have to suffer," et cetera). You can watch it on highly rated cable TV shows on national news networks, see it in the editorial pages of the top newspapers in the world, et cetera.

It's funny... because cafemom.com also has a reaction to the case I posted cable television personalities joking about.

Let's review the comments, shall we? Here:

already saw a post like this i wonder what he did to deserve it must be something bad i told my husband if he ever cheated on me id do that lol <= Assumes he did something to deserve being drugged, tied up, his penis severed, and thrown in the garbage disposal in front of him.
Haahahahhaha I've told my SO if he ever hits me or cheats on me this is gonna happen. Who knows the reasoning but if I had an abusive husband is definitely do it. <= Says that she would do it to her significant other, or would also do it to an abusive husband.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! I told my DH the same thing! <= Agrees with the above poster.
Mr bobbit came back with a bigger Wang. This one will probably sever his upper arm and have it sewn in place <= Particularly tasteless joke, given the difficulty of reattaching a penis thrown in the garbage disposal.
Hey maybe when he gets surgery he will get a bigger one and be happier!!! <= Another clueless poster, same tasteless joke.
that way they can't sew it back on and it won't be usable. no mistakes like lorena made lol. <= Corrects the above poster, congratulates offender for not making Lorena Bobbitt's "mistake" of not getting rid of the severed penis more thoroughly.
Bwahahahahaha!!!!!! <= ...
he must have ROYALLY pissed her off... <= Yet another presumption that somehow, this man did something to deserve it.
LMAO told my SO the samething lol <= Another poster also saying they told their significant other they'd chop off his penis if he cheated.
OMG....I feel bad for the guy that has to clean it out of the garbage disposal...lol <= Equivalent of the "why does the dog have to suffer" tasteless joke made on "The Talk."
Crazy ! Lol ... I wonder who- I mean what he did :/ ... <= Yet another poster assuming he must have done something to deserve being drugged, mutilated, etc.
That's what I'm doing next time dh pisses me off <= Oh, look. Another threat of copycatting.

Now, do you still think that Cafemom.com's posters are such shining paragons? More comments were approving, laughing, or both than bluntly disapproving (a lot were just expressing surprise or grossed out, a very small handful actually said it was wrong.))

Cutting off penises only starts to become bad for most of them when they're confronted with the role reversal. (That, from what I can tell, is why the title is "HaHa ha - Do you find this funny?" in the article you linked to - the user who posted it appears to have been reacting to the chorus of laughter greeting the earlier threads on severed penises... which is why she said "I admit I'm always stumped when I see the double standard." She knows that the a large fraction of the users on cafemom.com will condone anti-male violence, and is unhappy with that.)

[Tahar Joblis]

Since nobody else seems to have done so, unless my quick readthrough missed it, and I can't be the only one who hates having to wait and watch through YouTube videos to see what's being talked about, here are the two posters mentioned in the OP.

The "men's rights are human rights" poster:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/portal/wp-c ... t-hate.pdf
The "stop violence against women, but not men, because men don't matter" poster:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/portal/wp-c ... st-men.pdf

You may find that useful in putting into context whether or not they are - or should be taken as - provocative.

[CVT Temp]

Also, the forms of sex that she happens to be most against are those most likely to be engaged in by gay men

Source? Not out of skepticism, just genuine curiosity.

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&output=se ... 80&bih=709

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=709

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclient=p ... 80&bih=709

[AiliailiA]

Since nobody else seems to have done so, unless my quick readthrough missed it, and I can't be the only one who hates having to wait and watch through YouTube videos to see what's being talked about, here are the two posters mentioned in the OP.

The "men's rights are human rights" poster:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/portal/wp-c ... t-hate.pdf
The "stop violence against women, but not men, because men don't matter" poster:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/portal/wp-c ... st-men.pdf

You may find that useful in putting into context whether or not they are - or should be taken as - provocative.

Thanks for that. I find both posters rather meh, and probably wouldn't pause long enough in passing to read them right through.

"Meh" meaning neither compelling nor offensive.

[Roan Cara]

Sigh...Just like any other group of people, the ones that are the loudest/angriest/most obnoxious or extreme/fundy get all the attention and the rest get tarred with the same brush. I highly doubt all feminists feel the way those *IMHO* crazy women who tore down the poster's do. Personally I think men and women should have equal rights as far as possible. Seems like people don't want to admit that women can be violent or that they hurt men physically too but it just isn't true. Some women can not only be violent but scarey and sadistic about it. *same as some men* and men have every right to champion their rights as people too.

[Harrietharmman]

These are the radical feminists, who think that men are inferior. Regular Feminists think they all sexes are equal, which is what i think

Regrettably, a great many feminists these days seem to be somewhere in between those two position. In particular, the majority of high profile and powerful feminists seem to only want equality when it favours women. I can only guess that a moderate dose of sexism against men is a good way to gain promotion in government jobs or win votes from females.

Feminists really need to start speaking out against the huge amount of misandry in their movement rather than defending or even applauding it.

[Choronzon]

So TJ shows up and posts a few opinion pages and letters to the editor and then claims that this is somehow evidence that, and I quote, "to most feminists Lorena Bobbitt is no criminal."

Yeah, this thread is now worthless.


Thats the thing TJ. When you find three instances of a wingnut writing opinion pages and letters to the editor and use them to make inaccurate and sweeping statements just to further an agenda you are pulling things out your ass. Three pieces is not a pattern.

[Choronzon]

No, I'm referring to those posters.

But don't let me get in the way of your mischaracterization.

Go ahead and point out which parts you object to.

The obvious baiting and trolling?

"Stop violence against women, but not against men, because men don't matter." Seriously, its like you and TJ got together and made that poster yourselves. People object to being slandered, misrepresented, and trolled in public. Go figure.

[New Socialist New Hampshire]

Cool. If I saw a sign demanding "rights" for a group that already holds all the rights and privileges, I'd want to tear it down too.

[Shnercropolis]

what kind of weirdo puts up a poster advocating civil rights for men? I thought we always had them?

[The Joseon Dynasty]

what kind of weirdo puts up a poster advocating civil rights for men? I thought we always had them?

It's for recognition of abuse against men, I think. Not civil rights in general.