Atheism and religious hate

[Ovisterra]

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

compare the gdp ratio of poland and sweden and there you will see it. i am on a pone now so it is diffucult for me right now.

According to the IMF:

Sweden: $57,638 per capita
Poland: $13,469 per capita

Obviously, Poland is better.

EDIT: Norway is even better, at $97,607

Ooh, Denmark managed $59,709

[Europa Concordis]

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

That sounds elitist.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

The Latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat%E2%80%93Bosniak_War


The Former.
http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html

Sources.

According to my findings, church personnel and institutions were actively involved in the program of resistance to popular pressures for political reform that culminated in the 1994 genocide, and numerous priests, pastors, nuns, brothers, catechists, and Catholic and Protestant lay leaders supported, participated in, or helped to organize the killings.(4)

[Divair]

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

compare the gdp ratio of poland and sweden and there you will see it. i am on a pone now so it is diffucult for me right now.

According to the IMF:

Sweden: $57,638 per capita
Poland: $13,469 per capita

Obviously, Poland is better.

Or we could look at Luxembourg.

$115,809 per capita and only 44% religious people.

[The Holy Twig]

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

That sounds elitist.

I don't think I'm better than anyone.

I just am.

[Scholencia]

check on wiki thoose countries had recesion in the past years

Denmark: AAA credit rating, 8% unemployment, no deficit, 11% debt of GDP, large foreign reserves.
Sweden: 4% growth, 7.8% unemployment, $0.5 billion surplus, 33% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.
Norway: 3.6% unemployment, 60% debt of GDP, $40 billion surplus, AAA credit rating.
Canada: 2.4% growth, 7.2% unemployment, 87% debt of GDP, AAA

poland and

10% unemployment, A credit rating, $20 billion deficit. What a
i will post you diferent facr when i come home since i am not on my pc

[Norsklow]

You asserted that noting the difference meant all kinds of evil troublem a bit back.
So we went through the
black/white difference. Assertion held up.

Now I'm going through another case.
Rather than staring balefully at that HORRIBLE white skin, so different from mine,
I stare at it and find it bubbelicious.

It isn't so much noting the difference. It's ascribing otherness to it
If you regarded someone as being other but good, that'd make for an interesting case study, it hasn't come up much.
The key is viewing someone as subhuman or of a different species, that's what causes some violence.
I confess i'm mildly interested to see what the results of viewing someone as superhuman would be.

The otherness of the hypothethical female you is hypothetically turning me on.I assert it.It is my turn on.

The Big Difference is the intention of asserting the otherness. What is the person asserting the Otherness having in mind?

I think that if It asserts its superiority over the next feller... then it is a fair assumption that its intentions are nothing good. @Thou shalt not insist to be more deserving than the next feller@

[Ovisterra]

i will post you diferent facr when i come home since i am not on my pc

I hope you know that being on your PC won't change the fact that there is no evidence to support your claim.

[Divair]

Denmark: AAA credit rating, 8% unemployment, no deficit, 11% debt of GDP, large foreign reserves.
Sweden: 4% growth, 7.8% unemployment, $0.5 billion surplus, 33% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.
Norway: 3.6% unemployment, 60% debt of GDP, $40 billion surplus, AAA credit rating.
Canada: 2.4% growth, 7.2% unemployment, 87% debt of GDP, AAA

10% unemployment, A credit rating, $20 billion deficit. What a
i will post you diferent facr when i come home since i am not on my pc

Really? You're going to pursue this insane claim that religion affects economics?

Have fun.

[Ostroeuropa]

It isn't so much noting the difference. It's ascribing otherness to it
If you regarded someone as being other but good, that'd make for an interesting case study, it hasn't come up much.
The key is viewing someone as subhuman or of a different species, that's what causes some violence.
I confess i'm mildly interested to see what the results of viewing someone as superhuman would be.

The otherness of the hypothethical female you is hypothetically turning me on.I assert it.It is my turn on.

The Big Difference is the intention of asserting the otherness. What is the person asserting the Otherness having in mind?

I think that if It asserts its superiority over the next feller... then it is a fair assumption that its intentions are nothing good. @Thou shalt not insist to be more deserving than the next feller@

Well I agree. But then how would we criminalize new and heinous shit when it inevitably gets discovered?
Putting an immediate ban on such discourse would be doomed to failure.
"You can't tell me not to Xlorp my Macguffin! That's insinuating you are better than me somehow and your opinion matters more!"

[Scholencia]

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any

According to my findings, church personnel and institutions were actively involved in the program of resistance to popular pressures for political reform that culminated in the 1994 genocide, and numerous priests, pastors, nuns, brothers, catechists, and Catholic and Protestant lay leaders supported, participated in, or helped to organize the killings.(4)

this is bullshit. in the hvo there were many muslims just like many non muslims in the army bih. also in bosnua there are not protestants.

[Ostroeuropa]

this is bullshit. in the hvo there were many muslims just like many non muslims in the army bih. also in bosnua there are not protestants.

The findings about protestants was about the Rwandan Genocide.
Both catholicism and protestantism come off very badly.
With regard to the Croatian war, it's only the catholic militia's which commited war crimes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:C ... osnian_War

And the vatican opposed their prosecution

[Europa Concordis]

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

The Latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat%E2%80%93Bosniak_War


The Former.
http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html

Sources.

According to my findings, church personnel and institutions were actively involved in the program of resistance to popular pressures for political reform that culminated in the 1994 genocide, and numerous priests, pastors, nuns, brothers, catechists, and Catholic and Protestant lay leaders supported, participated in, or helped to organize the killings.(4)

You're still missing my point: I don't care about your sources. I'm not interested in discussing that, I never have been. How we came to be onto that topic mystifies me.
My point is, anti-theists are intolerant. Unreasonably so.

[Ovisterra]

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

compare the gdp ratio of poland and sweden and there you will see it. i am on a pone now so it is diffucult for me right now.

According to the IMF:

Sweden: $57,638 per capita
Poland: $13,469 per capita

Obviously, Poland is better.

EDIT: Norway is even better, at $97,607

Ooh, Denmark managed $59,709

In case you think the IMF is secretly a bastion of anti-theism, I'll give you the UN's opinion too.

Norway: $84,589 (4th in the World)
Denmark: $55,830 (8th in the World)
Sweden: $48,906 (9th in the World)
Poland: $12,263 (53rd in the World)

[Dyakovo]

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

Well, willing as I am to accept unsourced anti-religious crap from someone who doesn't seem to display any grasp of sarcasm, I feel we're getting away from my point.
My point was: people who think they're better than others (for any reason) are assholes.

And here you are declaring yourself better than them, and thus by your own logic an asshole...

[Norsklow]

The otherness of the hypothethical female you is hypothetically turning me on.I assert it.It is my turn on.

The Big Difference is the intention of asserting the otherness. What is the person asserting the Otherness having in mind?

I think that if It asserts its superiority over the next feller... then it is a fair assumption that its intentions are nothing good. @Thou shalt not insist to be more deserving than the next feller@

Well I agree. But then how would we criminalize new and heinous shit when it inevitably gets discovered?
Putting an immediate ban on such discourse would be doomed to failure.
"You can't tell me not to Xlorp my Macguffin! That's insinuating you are better than me somehow and your opinion matters more!"

Actually, I would put it in terms rather different terms. Simply a First Law of Mankind. ( analogous to the Three Laws of Robotics )
'It is not permitted to hold yourself as better than others.'

[Ostroeuropa]

The Latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat%E2%80%93Bosniak_War


The Former.
http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html

Sources.

According to my findings, church personnel and institutions were actively involved in the program of resistance to popular pressures for political reform that culminated in the 1994 genocide, and numerous priests, pastors, nuns, brothers, catechists, and Catholic and Protestant lay leaders supported, participated in, or helped to organize the killings.(4)

You're still missing my point: I don't care about your sources. I'm not interested in discussing that, I never have been. How we came to be onto that topic mystifies me.
My point is, anti-theists are intolerant. Unreasonably so.

I don't see why I Shouldn't mock someone for believing silly things, nor consider myself superior to them for believing evil things.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well I agree. But then how would we criminalize new and heinous shit when it inevitably gets discovered?
Putting an immediate ban on such discourse would be doomed to failure.
"You can't tell me not to Xlorp my Macguffin! That's insinuating you are better than me somehow and your opinion matters more!"

Actually, I would put it in terms rather different terms. Simply a First Law of Mankind. ( analogous to the Three Laws of Robotics )
'It is not permitted to hold yourself as better than others.'

Thought crime? Really dude? At least put a stipulation about acts to that effect, not thought, being prohibited in there

[Scholencia]

i will post you diferent facr when i come home since i am not on my pc

I hope you know that being on your PC won't change the fact that there is no evidence to support your claim.

yet there is a colleration. there are scuentific studies. i know it is hard tp accept that religious countries are far more economic successful. i mean what do you think wgy everybody loves the sheiks.

athesrs countries lik north korea are third world countries.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Actually, I would put it in terms rather different terms. Simply a First Law of Mankind. ( analogous to the Three Laws of Robotics )
'It is not permitted to hold yourself as better than others.'

Thought crime? Really dude? At least put a stipulation about acts to that effect, not thought, being prohibited in there

Why shouldn't we police thought? "You cannot think that 2 and 2 equals oregano. Failure to adhere to this law is punishable by octopus."

[Ostroeuropa]

I hope you know that being on your PC won't change the fact that there is no evidence to support your claim.

yet there is a colleration. there are scuentific studies. i know it is hard tp accept that religious countries are far more economic successful. i mean what do you think wgy everybody loves the sheiks.

athesrs countries lik north korea are third world countries.

The third world is very religious. The first world isn't.
In fact, Europe, Australia, new zealand, india, china and japan are the only areas with a significant atheist population.

[Ovisterra]

I hope you know that being on your PC won't change the fact that there is no evidence to support your claim.

yet there is a colleration. there are scuentific studies. i know it is hard tp accept that religious countries are far more economic successful. i mean what do you think wgy everybody loves the sheiks.

athesrs countries lik north korea are third world countries.

Did you not see what I posted? Denmark, Norway and Sweden always appear in the top 10 of the lists of GDP per capita.

[Czechanada]

All religion is NOT just a con job ...
What about Yoga? What about Aruvedic medicine?
Indeed, religion is a development of humanity's spiritual impulses -- impulses that are coeval with out symbolic powers, our ability to write and make art -- and magic!
There is more to religion than just bad science or the trickery of priests (which is, I admit, widespread) ...
Religion is fundamental to culture
If you want to see a world ruled by Disney and MacDonalds then, by all mean, go about destroying people's religions ... you will also succeed in destroying their cultures

Sociological analysis suggests that Disney and McDonald's are pseudo-religious.

[Divair]

I hope you know that being on your PC won't change the fact that there is no evidence to support your claim.

yet there is a colleration. there are scuentific studies. i know it is hard tp accept that religious countries are far more economic successful. i mean what do you think wgy everybody loves the sheiks.

athesrs countries lik north korea are third world countries.

North Korea isn't an atheistic country. It's 100% religious. They're all completely devoted to the Kim Jong cult.



Never mind that religion has nothing to do with NK's failure. It's their ideology of Juche that is their downfall. We've already proven you wrong.