Atheism and religious hate

[Norsklow]

Yeah. Right. Tolerating government by racist nutters whose group controls the Capital is very productive. Obviously.

Intolerance shouldn't be put into law, but outlawing racism would be terrible.

I find having a war to put it OUT of law an awesome idea. Ditto for slavery... which doesn't necessarily have to be racist.

If it insists upon 'We're better than thou' --> Giant Banhammer of Oblivion.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

I checked the facts. You are bullshitting. Economic rates and religiosity are utterly unrelated.

[Grimlundt]

Also, since Rome Statute, ethnocide (destroying somebody's culture) is tantamount to genocide.
This makes sense, furthermore, if you understand the ramifications of the human genome project.
So destroying people's cultures, inc. religion is "genocidal" by definition.
You ought to have a good reason b4 you attack somebody elses' culture (inc. religion).

[Europa Concordis]

Rwanda, Croat-Bosniak War, and the Pope saying condoms cause aids.
2 genocides, and 1 act tantamount to genocide.
In the last 30 years.

Hmm... yes, I recall seeing photos of the Swiss Guard in Rwanda, killing Tutsis without mercy.
And those Catholic jets dropping bombs over Bosnia? Horrid I say! Horrid!

Oh, and of course, we get to the crux of the evil.
One man (ONE! ) said something illogical! Can you believe it? It's practically genocide!

[Scholencia]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

Norway. Sweden. Denmark. Canada. Argument invalid. Religion has no connection to the economy.

check on wiki thoose countries had recesion in the past years while russia, poland and saudi arabia not.

[Ostroeuropa]

Also, since Rome Statute, ethnocide (destroying somebody's culture) is tantamount to genocide.
This makes sense, furthermore, if you understand the ramifications of the human genome project.
So destroying people's cultures, inc. religion is "genocidal" by definition.
You ought to have a good reason b4 you attack somebody elses' culture (inc. religion).

Well, that means you can't prosletyse without being genocidal.
There goes conversion attempts.
FINE BY ME.

In this interperatation, jehovahs witnesses are SS squads.
You are being ludicrous

[Ostroeuropa]

Rwanda, Croat-Bosniak War, and the Pope saying condoms cause aids.
2 genocides, and 1 act tantamount to genocide.
In the last 30 years.

Hmm... yes, I recall seeing photos of the Swiss Guard in Rwanda, killing Tutsis without mercy.
And those Catholic jets dropping bombs over Bosnia? Horrid I say! Horrid!

Oh, and of course, we get to the crux of the evil.
One man (ONE! ) said something illogical! Can you believe it? It's practically genocide!

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

[Ovisterra]

Norway. Sweden. Denmark. Canada. Argument invalid. Religion has no connection to the economy.

check on wiki thoose countries had recesion in the past years while russia, poland and saudi arabia not.

Scandinavian countries have been some of the strongest in Europe during the recession.

[Grimlundt]

Religious impulses can be manipulated by charismatic theocrats.
This sometimes leads to economic sanctions against the country in question.
Apart from that ... well look at the USA ... 41% do not believe in evolution ... LOL!
But their economy is the biggest in the world.
Moreover, Weber argues convincingly that puritan fundamentalism was essential to the development of capitalism.

[Hallistar]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

North Korea is still theist, their deity however literally is whoever their current leader (Kim jong-un).

I'm also not sure why Saudi Arabia is a great example to use, considering that A. It's insanely right wing, and B. Its oil got it to where it is.

[Norsklow]

Now another example.

OstrA-Europa is a white girl... blond hair.. blue eyes... bigger boobs than my manboobs.
So different from me. *drools* yum yum!

[Kirantil]

Hey, question: why must I, as an atheist, choose whether or not I specifically welcome or fear this wave in your poll?

Personally I believe that adhering to a religion is alright, spreading one through dishonest means (indoctrination of children, persistent missions, anything else forceful) is horrendous, and disregarding or condemning others due to difference in religion is an outright crime. As such, I don't necessarily agree with the wave, but I do not fear its coming, I am largely apathetic quite honestly.

I also wish to point out your fears are rather unfounded since they appear to rely upon the "slippery slope" fallacy in that a rejection of the religious by an extreme philosophy will result in the all out persecution of the religious by everyone. Liittle biit of a 2tretch there.

[Scholencia]

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

I checked the facts. You are bullshitting. Economic rates and religiosity are utterly unrelated.

you checked the facts and yet you wont accepr it. here is also some signifucant examples
ireland, italy, spain and portugal were once religious nation and during the 70ies and 80ies they had an economic boom. now that they are not religious thei hoverments applied the ecb for help.

[Ostroeuropa]

Now another example.

OstrA-Europa is a white girl... blond hair.. blue eyes... bigger boobs than my manboobs.
So different from me. *drools* yum yum!

W...what?

[The Emerald Dawn]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

North Korea is still theist, their deity however literally is whoever their current leader (Kim jong-un).

I'm also not sure why Saudi Arabia is a great example to use, considering that A. It's insanely right wing, and B. Its oil got it to where it is.

The Adventures of....KIM JONG UN!

[Ostroeuropa]

I checked the facts. You are bullshitting. Economic rates and religiosity are utterly unrelated.

you checked the facts and yet you wont accepr it. here is also some signifucant examples
ireland, italy, spain and portugal were once religious nation and during the 70ies and 80ies they had an economic boom. now that they are not religious thei hoverments applied the ecb for help.

And yet the scandinavians are doing just fine.
Ireland has the highest religiosity in western europe next to portugal and italy.
Weirdly, those 3 are fucking up the most.

[Divair]

check on wiki thoose countries had recesion in the past years

Denmark: AAA credit rating, 8% unemployment, no deficit, 11% debt of GDP, large foreign reserves.
Sweden: 4% growth, 7.8% unemployment, $0.5 billion surplus, 33% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.
Norway: 3.6% unemployment, 60% debt of GDP, $40 billion surplus, AAA credit rating.
Canada: 2.4% growth, 7.2% unemployment, 87% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.


Not to mention their quality of life is far, far higher. They're doing far better than Poland.

while russia,

Oil.

poland and

10% unemployment, A credit rating, $20 billion deficit. What a great economy.

saudi arabia not.

Oil.

[Norsklow]

Now another example.

OstrA-Europa is a white girl... blond hair.. blue eyes... bigger boobs than my manboobs.
So different from me. *drools* yum yum!

W...what?

You asserted that noting the difference meant all kinds of evil troublem a bit back.
So we went through the
black/white difference. Assertion held up.

Now I'm going through another case.
Rather than staring balefully at that HORRIBLE white skin, so different from mine,
I stare at it and find it bubbelicious.

[Ovisterra]

check on wiki thoose countries had recesion in the past years

Denmark: AAA credit rating, 8% unemployment, no deficit, 11% debt of GDP, large foreign reserves.
Sweden: 4% growth, 7.8% unemployment, $0.5 billion surplus, 33% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.
Norway: 3.6% unemployment, 60% debt of GDP, $40 billion surplus, AAA credit rating.
Canada: 2.4% growth, 7.2% unemployment, 87% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.


Not to mention their quality of life is far, far higher. They're doing far better than Poland.

while russia,

Oil.

poland and

10% unemployment, A credit rating, $20 billion deficit. What a great economy.

saudi arabia not.

Oil.

There's more:

Ireland, a deeply Catholic country, is firmly in the shit right now. Spain is 71% Catholic and is also very deeply in shit. Greece is 97% Orthodox Christian, and not exactly in a golden age of economics.

Religion and Economics have no connection. Not only is the point completely insane, but the called evidence is bullshit.

[Mavorpen]

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

compare the gdp ratio of poland and sweden and there you will see it. i am on a pone now so it is diffucult for me right now.

North Korea is one of the most religious places on Earth.

[Scholencia]

Hmm... yes, I recall seeing photos of the Swiss Guard in Rwanda, killing Tutsis without mercy.
And those Catholic jets dropping bombs over Bosnia?

Not the swiss guard.
Just catholic bishops, cardinals, and priests.
Catholic jets? The croatians attached pictures of mary to the butt of their rifles to distinguish them from the evil turkish muslims and russian orthodox usurpers.
(The bosnians and the serbs. this is how insane they are.)

source for that please.

[Ostroeuropa]

W...what?

You asserted that noting the difference meant all kinds of evil troublem a bit back.
So we went through the
black/white difference. Assertion held up.

Now I'm going through another case.
Rather than staring balefully at that HORRIBLE white skin, so different from mine,
I stare at it and find it bubbelicious.

It isn't so much noting the difference. It's ascribing otherness to it
If you regarded someone as being other but good, that'd make for an interesting case study, it hasn't come up much.
The key is viewing someone as subhuman or of a different species, that's what causes some violence.
I confess i'm mildly interested to see what the results of viewing someone as superhuman would be.

[Hallistar]

I also find it interesting that Germany, a country with alot of irreligious people, hasn't gone down the shitter.

Or maybe it's just because religion and economics don't have a connection, save for products and services relating to religion?

[Divair]

Denmark: AAA credit rating, 8% unemployment, no deficit, 11% debt of GDP, large foreign reserves.
Sweden: 4% growth, 7.8% unemployment, $0.5 billion surplus, 33% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.
Norway: 3.6% unemployment, 60% debt of GDP, $40 billion surplus, AAA credit rating.
Canada: 2.4% growth, 7.2% unemployment, 87% debt of GDP, AAA credit rating.


Not to mention their quality of life is far, far higher. They're doing far better than Poland.


Oil.


10% unemployment, A credit rating, $20 billion deficit. What a great economy.


Oil.

There's more:

Ireland, a deeply Catholic country, is firmly in the shit right now. Spain is 71% Catholic and is also very deeply in shit. Greece is 97% Orthodox Christian, and not exactly in a golden age of economics.

Religion and Economics have no connection. Not only is the point completely insane, but the called evidence is bullshit.

We could also go into how the southern USA isn't doing so well, but the NE and NW are. Also China is largely atheistic.

But again, religion has no connection to the economy. Maybe in a country like Italy taxing religious institutions that are run like businesses will make a difference, but in most countries it is a tiny one.

[Ostroeuropa]

source for that please.

The Latter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croat%E2%80%93Bosniak_War


The Former.
http://faculty.vassar.edu/tilongma/Church&Genocide.html

"According to my findings, church personnel and institutions were actively involved in the program of resistance to popular pressures for political reform that culminated in the 1994 genocide, and numerous priests, pastors, nuns, brothers, catechists, and Catholic and Protestant lay leaders supported, participated in, or helped to organize the killings.(4)"