Atheism and religious hate

[Hallistar]

Back when I was religious like over a year ago and still posted on here alot, I still didn't sense any kind of 'massive hate against religion tide'.

Someone who would post 'I don't have an imaginary best friend' in response to a religious thread might come off as dickish, but in the end they're not personally attacking anyone at all.

It's just text on some website full of people you'll probably never meet in rl (Yes I know that people have met in rl over this site).

Nothing's forcing you to reply to someone who probably lives hundreds of miles away from you, and who will probably forget about their post quickly anyways.

The closest thing to even being persecuted would be the moderators deleting your account and blocking you for no reason. But that's not close to those who have been tortured/killed for their beliefs.

If someone really is personally attacking you though, you can take it to the moderators on here.

[Europa Concordis]

Are you better than a nazi?
(Yeh godwins, it's just the utmost example. Once you accept the principle, you see where i'm coming from.)

There is a difference. They aren't comparable.
Nazism actively espouses ethnic cleansing and the destruction of the Jewish faith (not all that dissimilar from some anti-theists, incidentally). Nazism is truly barbaric and immoral. It advocates mass murder, genocide and the destruction of anything which could threaten the unity of the state, like religion. I'm not saying they did advocate the destruction of all religion, simply that they could have, the ideology allows it after all.

Neither am I. If you read carefully you'll notice I didn't even imply "all" theists oppose contraception over abstinence.

You didn't say that "some" or "not all" did either. So it appears you should be less vague and ambiguous in future posts.

[Ostroeuropa]

There is a difference between giving trolls what they want, and letting them talk.
A government must not enact racist policy. But nor must it ban racism.

Well, after sufficient marching followed by being a great example to the rebels in Syria, they pretty much became the Government. Street politics at works.

So - is doing something about it justified?

Sure is. Counter marching.

[Parios]

I'm atheist, or agnostic, I don't really know. Some new breed of no fucking clue. But I don't hate theists, I was one about two years ago (albeit not a very devout one), and my entire family is. Personally I see no reason to follow christianity or other religions, but I don't want to persecute those who do. Religion has its up's and downs, and I also feel the want to believe in some higher power, so I can understand. I don't appreciate the theists (like my parents) who shove it down your throat. As a teenager I was forced to watch Christian documentaries to better my understanding of god and discard my "silly" atheistic beliefs. In the war between Theism and Atheism I like to say I'm a moderate. While I lean to Atheism, I don't go out wielding signs against the opposing party. I don't enjoy the Westboro Baptist Church, but I also don't like Atheists who think they're some higher, evolved form.

[Dyakovo]

Anti-theists will, indeed, someday set about the violent destruction of religion. They preach for freedom and tolerance and yet they cannot tolerate people who merely wish to worship their god(s) in the private of their own homes. I can't wrap my head around them.

I don't see why not, since that's where they primarily exist...

[Europa Concordis]

WOW what a revelation!!!! People who dont believe in the make believe and imaginary occurrences and subscribe to fact,reason and science HAVE THE AUDACITY TO THINK THEY ARE BETTER THEN RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. Are you honestly that stupid? Non religious people are automatically more intelligent by virtue of the fact they arent religious.

I'm not going to continue this rapport with you on account of the fact we cannot reach an agreement, primarily due to your belief that you are somehow better than other people, simply because they aren't you.

[Ostroeuropa]

Are you better than a nazi?
(Yeh godwins, it's just the utmost example. Once you accept the principle, you see where i'm coming from.)

There is a difference. They aren't comparable.
Nazism actively espouses ethnic cleansing and the destruction of the Jewish faith (not all that dissimilar from some anti-theists, incidentally). Nazism is truly barbaric and immoral. It advocates mass murder, genocide and the destruction of anything which could threaten the unity of the state, like religion. I'm not saying they did advocate the destruction of all religion, simply that they could have, the ideology allows it after all.

Neither am I. If you read carefully you'll notice I didn't even imply "all" theists oppose contraception over abstinence.

You didn't say that "some" or "not all" did either. So it appears you should be less vague and ambiguous in future posts.

There actually isn't that much of a difference.
Religion actively espouses either intolerance or ignorance and many strains actively preach anti-scientific dogma, or commit acts tantamount to genocide
"Condoms cause aids btw."-The Pope In Africa
It provides cover for fundamentalists and teaches people not to respect evidence.
The Nazi ideology is fundamentally a fusion of fascism (re: ultra-catholicism) and socialism.

[Norsklow]

Well, after sufficient marching followed by being a great example to the rebels in Syria, they pretty much became the Government. Street politics at works.

So - is doing something about it justified?

Sure is. Counter marching.

Worked so well. Not.

My personal take is that any group that claims to be better or superior or more deserving than the rest merits the Gigantic Banhammer of Oblivion.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Sure is. Counter marching.

Worked so well. Not.

My personal take is that any group that claims to be better or superior or more deserving than the rest merits the Gigantic Banhammer of Oblivion.

Happy Birthday, Kryptonian. I give you, oblivion.

[Frisivisia]

Sure is. Counter marching.

Worked so well. Not.

My personal take is that any group that claims to be better or superior or more deserving than the rest merits the Gigantic Banhammer of Oblivion.

Not tolerating intolerance is counterproductive.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Worked so well. Not.

My personal take is that any group that claims to be better or superior or more deserving than the rest merits the Gigantic Banhammer of Oblivion.

Not tolerating intolerance is counterproductive.

Tolerating intolerance creates more intolerance which people can't tolerate.

[Frisivisia]

Not tolerating intolerance is counterproductive.

Tolerating intolerance creates more intolerance which people can't tolerate.

I'm lactose intolerant (not really).

[Ostroeuropa]

Tolerating intolerance creates more intolerance which people can't tolerate.

I'm lactose intolerant (not really).

Cow Racist.

[Scholencia]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

[Norsklow]

Worked so well. Not.

My personal take is that any group that claims to be better or superior or more deserving than the rest merits the Gigantic Banhammer of Oblivion.

Not tolerating intolerance is counterproductive.

Yeah. Right. Tolerating government by racist nutters whose group controls the Capital is very productive. Obviously.

[Ostroeuropa]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

Also, source.
Side by side please.
Religiosity and Recession rates. (Cos I checked and you are bullshitting.)

[Divair]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

Norway. Sweden. Denmark. Canada. Argument invalid. Religion has no connection to the economy.

[Europa Concordis]

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There actually isn't that much of a difference.
Religion actively espouses either intolerance or ignorance and many strains actively preach anti-scientific dogma, or commit acts tantamount to genocide

Really? Wow. I had no idea that the Vatican city committed genocide! Or maybe you're talking about stuff that happened a few hundred years ago?

And the majority of Christians don't take the Bible as gospel, if you'll pardon the pun. Few truly believe the Tower of Babel story is anything other than a pretty myth, told by ancients to explain why people speak different languages.

So, actually, there is little difference.

[Grimlundt]

So I presume you have read Durkheim? because he says religion is fundamental to culture.
As for education, it's a great great thing.
But education is NOT just science education.
There is also such a thing as poetry.

[Frisivisia]

Not tolerating intolerance is counterproductive.

Yeah. Right. Tolerating government by racist nutters whose group controls the Capital is very productive. Obviously.

Intolerance shouldn't be put into law, but outlawing racism would be terrible.

[Ostroeuropa]

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There actually isn't that much of a difference.
Religion actively espouses either intolerance or ignorance and many strains actively preach anti-scientific dogma, or commit acts tantamount to genocide

Really? Wow. I had no idea that the Vatican city committed genocide! Or maybe you're talking about stuff that happened a few hundred years ago?

And the majority of Christians don't take the Bible as gospel, if you'll pardon the pun. Few truly believe the Tower of Babel story is anything other than a pretty myth, told by ancients to explain why people speak different languages.

So, actually, there is little difference.

Rwanda, Croat-Bosniak War, and the Pope saying condoms cause aids.
2 genocides, and 1 act tantamount to genocide.
In the last 30 years.
"Hey, why are your bishops massacaring people?"
"Wtf? Are you anti-religious or something! You are persecuting catholics!"
"uh...nevermind...can we arrest them?"
"THEY ARE UNDER PROTECTION OF ROME."
Same as the child rapists are.

Whether or not they do they believe in vicarious redemption and scapegoating (in order to properly be a christian you HAVE to believe that. it's the entire basis of the faith, vicarious redemption IE. Scapegoating.) which makes them immediately morally corrupt

[Scholencia]

today all countries with majority of people being religious have not recesion like poland, saudi arabia, ukraine and india for example. north korea has institutiolised atheism and now it is the poorest country on earth.


anti-theism is a bad ideology and caused dearsh to several millions of people in the past.

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

compare the gdp ratio of poland and sweden and there you will see it. i am on a pone now so it is diffucult for me right now.

[Dyakovo]

Sure, in the thirteenth century. But I'd suggest bringing yourself up to the twenty first.

Teaching abstinence over sexual education? I'd suggest bringing them up to the twenty first.

Or intelligent design over evolution...

[Divair]

It's hard to lose money if you have none in the first place.

okay it is true that religious countries hadnt money at the begining but yet they are having economic development while countries like north korea or uk were far more better in the past. it is a fact whether like it or not.

No connection to religion.

[Grimlundt]

And what about Ideology?
Free market fundamentalism does just as much damage -- if not MORE than religious fundamentalism.
Stalinist fundamentalism was as bad as any religion.