Atheism and religious hate

[Seperates]

You really aren't questioning if you never consider the possibility that you could be absolutely and completely wrong.

I always that, but then I remember that I'm always right and scold myself for doubting myself.

Based on your sig, I doubt that.

Sad, really... that you scold yourself for merely asking questions.

[Hallistar]

You really aren't questioning if you never consider the possibility that you could be absolutely and completely wrong.

I always that, but then I remember that I'm always right and scold myself for doubting myself.

How do you know you're always right?

Questioning yourself doesn't mean you have to radically change your beliefs, but it's intended to make you more open minded.

[Socialist Monarchies]

I always that, but then I remember that I'm always right and scold myself for doubting myself.

Based on your sig, I doubt that.

Sad, really... that you scold yourself for merely asking questions.

I don't, I scold myself for doubting ME.

[Socialist Monarchies]

I always that, but then I remember that I'm always right and scold myself for doubting myself.

How do you know you're always right?

Questioning yourself doesn't mean you have to radically change your beliefs, but it's intended to make you more open minded.

I was joking.

[Seperates]

I always that, but then I remember that I'm always right and scold myself for doubting myself.

How do you know you're always right?

Questioning yourself doesn't mean you have to radically change your beliefs, but it's intended to make you more open minded.

Honestly, the moment you find yourself certain of something is the best time to question it and evaluate all the availiable evidence... keeping in mind that new evidence is always on the horizon.

[Grimlundt]

Weird.

His claiming it does not make it true.
He doesn't even know what atheism is.

LOL
I'll go through it again for you
Your disbelief is based on premises, which are beliefs
When you disbelieve, your nerves fire
Disbelief is an act.
Imbecile

[Tmutarakhan]

And your evidence for this is?

I believe it's part of a growing global trend.

That's evidence of a growing global trend toward people leaving conservative Christianity, but not of any trend for conservative Christianity becoming any better. The cult of Moloch never stopped burning children, but eventually no-one believed in Moloch any more.

[Seperates]

Based on your sig, I doubt that.

Sad, really... that you scold yourself for merely asking questions.

I don't, I scold myself for doubting ME.

Again, it's a pity really. You are only wasting your time then.

[Grimlundt]

And while we are on definitions, turkey,
An agnostic does not believe nor disbelieve
An atheist actively disbelieves

You call ME ignorant?
Fool
You are just to dumb to follow my arguments

[Nidaria]

I believe it's part of a growing global trend.

(Image)

That's evidence of a growing global trend toward people leaving conservative Christianity, but not of any trend for conservative Christianity becoming any better. The cult of Moloch never stopped burning children, but eventually no-one believed in Moloch any more.

What does an ancient pagan cult have to do with anything? You are correct, however: people are becoming less and less Christian. Also, Traditionalism (or Conservatism) means not changing to become worse.

[Socialist Monarchies]

I don't, I scold myself for doubting ME.

Again, it's a pity really. You are only wasting your time then.

I'm kidding, calm the fuck down.

[Dracone]

I like how the atheists main argument is that religion is ridiculous.... you realize that the big bang theory is creationism by another name dont you? "some how everything sprang into being in a massive explosion... where did it come from? oh we dont know for sure..." why is it that that is acceptable but "God created the universe" isn't? The only difference is that one gives an explanation and the other doesnt... Now do I beleive that religion and science are mortal enemies? no. (Religion is the "Why such and such happened" and "what should we do with our lives to be good people according to God" and science is the "How did God do this thing" for the more we know about our world the more we understand the Lord, even if we never will fully understand Him) but my point was that its ridiculous that you accept one theory out of hand, and dismiss something so similar out of hand as ridiculous... although I actually didnt come on here to debate... I came on here to ask you why you only put theist as fearing the tide? Dont you rember "those who are persecuted in my name shall be given rewards in heaven"? I am religious and I welcome anti religion. The people I care about arent going to change their minds over me because of it, and those who are persecuted in the name of the Lord will be given rewards in heaven.

[Socialist Monarchies]

That's evidence of a growing global trend toward people leaving conservative Christianity, but not of any trend for conservative Christianity becoming any better. The cult of Moloch never stopped burning children, but eventually no-one believed in Moloch any more.

What does an ancient pagan cult have to do with anything? You are correct, however: people are becoming less and less Christian. Also, Traditionalism (or Conservatism) means not changing to become worse.

No, people are becoming less stuck-up, you don't have to be a Republican to be Christian.

[Hallistar]

His claiming it does not make it true.
He doesn't even know what atheism is.

LOL
I'll go through it again for you
Your disbelief is based on premises, which are beliefs
When you disbelieve, your nerves fire
Disbelief is an act.
Imbecile

I'm assuming you're referring to irreligious people in general.

So I'll go through it for you:

Metaphysical claims are not a logical priority in nature. Having a faith in a invisible metaphysical concept on top of nature requires going out of your way to actively believe in it. Otherwise (for example), you would just treat something like someone being dead as them just...not being alive anymore. Simply that. (Assuming the religion in question involved an afterlife).

[Seperates]

Again, it's a pity really. You are only wasting your time then.

I'm kidding, calm the fuck down.

*sighs* I'm not, nor was I ever, angry during the context of this conversation. Just melancholy really.

But what is it that you were kidding about? That you question, or that you scold yourself for questioning?

[Grimlundt]

These days, I'm wondering if anyone does.

A number of people in this thread have demonstrated that they know what it is...

That's right.
A TRUE atheist is a closed minded bully with a half-baked understanding of evolution and cosmology got 2nd hand from a half-educuated high school teacher ...
he walks about bashomng religion in a condescending supercillious way
he thinks he is so smart
but he is not really
he thinks he knows things he cannot possibly know
he is a closed minded twerp

On the other hand, an atheist like me is open minded and knows that he believes many things without evidence and also has some idea of what he can or cannot be certain of

he also reads some actual books from time to time

Your objection, that lots of people think atheism is not a beleif system, is 12. absurd and 2. an example of the the bandwagoning fallacy
You don't even know when you making fallacious arguments
Yet you insult me?
LOL
You fool
That's right. The majority always know best
imbecile

[Socialist Monarchies]

I'm kidding, calm the fuck down.

*sighs* I'm not, nor was I ever, angry during the context of this conversation. Just melancholy really.

But what is it that you were kidding about? That you question, or that you scold yourself for questioning?

The latter

[Grimlundt]

LOL
I'll go through it again for you
Your disbelief is based on premises, which are beliefs
When you disbelieve, your nerves fire
Disbelief is an act.
Imbecile

I'm assuming you're referring to irreligious people in general.

So I'll go through it for you:

Metaphysical claims are not a logical priority in nature. Having a faith in a invisible metaphysical concept on top of nature requires going out of your way to actively believe in it. Otherwise (for example), you would just treat something like someone being dead as them just...not being alive anymore. Simply that. (Assuming the religion in question involved an afterlife).

Okay. Do you believe in the scientific method?
Do you consider that a belief?

btw.
i do not believe in the gods
I DO believe in the scientific method
I consider those both acts of belief -- and reason

[Great Nepal]

I like how the atheists main argument is that religion is ridiculous.... you realize that the big bang theory is creationism by another name dont you?

No, not really.

"some how everything sprang into being in a massive explosion...

...problem with this is that there was no explosion and it wasn't massive. Learn about big bang.

where did it come from? oh we dont know for sure..." why is it that that is acceptable but "God created the universe" isn't? The only difference is that one gives an explanation and the other doesnt...

Because, former states we dont know; thus we should find out.
Latter states we know something without providing any evidence.

"I dont know who killed that guy; police should investigate" is infinitely better than "I dont have any evidence but I know Obama killed that guy; thus he should be hanged without further investigation".

[Hallistar]

I like how the atheists main argument is that religion is ridiculous.... you realize that the big bang theory is creationism by another name dont you? "some how everything sprang into being in a massive explosion... where did it come from? oh we dont know for sure..." why is it that that is acceptable but "God created the universe" isn't? The only difference is that one gives an explanation and the other doesnt... Now do I beleive that religion and science are mortal enemies? no. (Religion is the "Why such and such happened" and "what should we do with our lives to be good people according to God" and science is the "How did God do this thing" for the more we know about our world the more we understand the Lord, even if we never will fully understand Him) but my point was that its ridiculous that you accept one theory out of hand, and dismiss something so similar out of hand as ridiculous... although I actually didnt come on here to debate... I came on here to ask you why you only put theist as fearing the tide? Dont you rember "those who are persecuted in my name shall be given rewards in heaven"? I am religious and I welcome anti religion. The people I care about arent going to change their minds over me because of it, and those who are persecuted in the name of the Lord will be given rewards in heaven.

Science is not about trying to prove a pre-set conclusion. It's one thing to test a hypothesis, it's another to try proving a conclusion at all costs, no matter how much confirmation bias is needed. Science is about deriving a conclusion using testable evidence. All we know from the big bang is that it's how the universe expanded, not that existence in any kind of dimensional plane was only possible because of it.

The concept of some kind of sentient omnipotent force/entity existing since forever and perceiving the universe similar to humans isn't the most logical, that's why it isn't treated as some kind of equal alternative by everyone. The same with creationism versus evolution. One atleast has some empirical basis, the other doesn't , so you'd be comparing apples to oranges.

Even if a deity did somehow exist though, I find it unlikely how they'd even give a crap about us, and bothering with setting up a dungeon to torture billions in excruciating pain forever because we, who would be like microscopic ants to them, didn't make them happy. You seem to think that even if there was a god, that it would pretty much prove that your specific religion/denomination/interpretation was correct.

[Hallistar]

A number of people in this thread have demonstrated that they know what it is...

That's right.
A TRUE atheist is a closed minded bully with a half-baked understanding of evolution and cosmology got 2nd hand from a half-educuated high school teacher ...
he walks about bashomng religion in a condescending supercillious way
he thinks he is so smart
but he is not really
he thinks he knows things he cannot possibly know
he is a closed minded twerp

On the other hand, an atheist like me is open minded and knows that he believes many things without evidence and also has some idea of what he can or cannot be certain of

he also reads some actual books from time to time

Your objection, that lots of people think atheism is not a beleif system, is 12. absurd and 2. an example of the the bandwagoning fallacy
You don't even know when you making fallacious arguments
Yet you insult me?
LOL
You fool
That's right. The majority always know best
imbecile

I'm pretty sure imbecile is just pointless flaming/personal attacking. How do you know what a True Atheist™ (Assuming there is even such a thing) is?

[Doughertania]

Personally, I have had no problems with atheists. I have several friends who are atheist, and we get along fine. However, if atheists really end up persecuting theists, then I'm against that. I believe we should have the right to decide whether to follow a religion or not. Don't force your beliefs unto mine, and vice versa.

[Socialist Monarchies]

You're all imbeciles if you think arguing on the internet will change anyone's mind, that's a common fallacy that no one seems to point out.

[Grimlundt]

Did you see his attacks on me 2 pages back?
LOL

I was satirizing "true" atheists as he sees them
LOL

he thinks I cannot disbelieve in the gods yet be open minded and tolerant
LOL

he is am imbecile
He knows nothing about me but says I am ignorant.
LOL

That's right.
A TRUE atheist is a closed minded bully with a half-baked understanding of evolution and cosmology got 2nd hand from a half-educuated high school teacher ...
he walks about bashomng religion in a condescending supercillious way
he thinks he is so smart
but he is not really
he thinks he knows things he cannot possibly know
he is a closed minded twerp

On the other hand, an atheist like me is open minded and knows that he believes many things without evidence and also has some idea of what he can or cannot be certain of

he also reads some actual books from time to time

Your objection, that lots of people think atheism is not a beleif system, is 12. absurd and 2. an example of the the bandwagoning fallacy
You don't even know when you making fallacious arguments
Yet you insult me?
LOL
You fool
That's right. The majority always know best
imbecile

I'm pretty sure imbecile is just pointless flaming/personal attacking. How do you know what a True Atheist™ (Assuming there is even such a thing) is?

[Grimlundt]

True
The number of people who will actually change their beliefs on the basis of rational argument is like 1 in 50?

You're all imbeciles if you think arguing on the internet will change anyone's mind, that's a common fallacy that no one seems to point out.