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Theist who fears this coming tide
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Agnostic who fears this coming tide
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Atheist who fears this coming tide
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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:00 pm

LOL
Osteeropia thinks that you cannlot be sure that parallel lines never meet
But she thinks she can be sure of her own individual existence
LOL

Look. You just denied logic
The cogito is based on set theory and necessary principles of logic.
When you deny that 1+1=2 you say that maybe maths is all wrong ... thus set theory would be wrong and so would the cogito
You speak with such authority about things you know so little about :p

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The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower
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Postby The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:00 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:Oh, do tell me where you got your source for Christians killed by atheists being ten times the vice versa, as your sig proudly displays.

His persecution complex.


I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:01 pm

The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower wrote:
Choronzon wrote:His persecution complex.


I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...

Which has shit to do with atheism.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Choronzon » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:01 pm

The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower wrote:
Choronzon wrote:His persecution complex.


I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...

Still doesn't equal ten times the number of Christians who have killed non-Christians.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:03 pm

Choronzon wrote:
The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower wrote:
I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...

Still doesn't equal ten times the number of Christians who have killed non-Christians.

We can't even determine the Christiananity's body count. :p
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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:03 pm

Ridiculing people's deeply held beliefs is always helpful :P

Now I have a question ... what is Dark Flow?
Is there a greater cosmos beyond this universe?
If so, or may so, how be so sure that something like gods might not have evolved out there ... over the vast eons (or maybe such eons)?
Really?
Can you be so sure?

But hang on ... you said you do not think we can be sure that 1+1=2
LOL

But you agree with Descartes, 100%
You are 100% sure about that!
LOL

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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:06 pm

If the dinosaurs had not been snuffed, then intelligent life on earth could have appeared in 65 million years ago and maybe taken another 5 million to reach where we are now ... and had the rest of that time to become ... what? ... gods?

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:09 pm

Grimlundt wrote:If the dinosaurs had not been snuffed, then intelligent life on earth could have appeared in 65 million years ago and maybe taken another 5 million to reach where we are now ... and had the rest of that time to become ... what? ... gods?

Stop spamming.
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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:10 pm

Persecuting people on religious grounds is a Human Rights violation.
Freedom of belief must include freedom to change one's religion -- or even not to believe in any religion. :)

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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Grimlundt wrote:If the dinosaurs had not been snuffed, then intelligent life on earth could have appeared in 65 million years ago and maybe taken another 5 million to reach where we are now ... and had the rest of that time to become ... what? ... gods?

Stop spamming.


Really?
So you deny the prospect of life on other planets?
Life as old as the dinosaurs?
Open your mind

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:12 pm

Grimlundt wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Stop spamming.


Really?
So you deny the prospect of life on other planets?
Life as old as the dinosaurs?
Open your mind

By telling you to stop spamming, he meant that he wished for you to stop making random posts unrelated to what was currently being discussed, lacking any real content and being made one after another.
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Postby Grimlundt » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:14 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Grimlundt wrote:
Really?
So you deny the prospect of life on other planets?
Life as old as the dinosaurs?
Open your mind

By telling you to stop spamming, he meant that he wished for you to stop making random posts unrelated to what was currently being discussed, lacking any real content and being made one after another.


It IS related
Some people here say they are sure that there are no gods?
How can they be so sure?

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:16 pm

Grimlundt wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:By telling you to stop spamming, he meant that he wished for you to stop making random posts unrelated to what was currently being discussed, lacking any real content and being made one after another.


It IS related
Some people here say they are sure that there are no gods?
How can they be so sure?

No one has said this.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Sociobiology » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:23 pm

The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower wrote:
Choronzon wrote:His persecution complex.


I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...

which had nothing to do with a atheism it was a conflict between the ideology of state run everything and any other point of view.
It was theocracy from the state direction instead of the religion direction.
The soviets wanted to replace all religions with the worship of the state, that is not atheism.
they were not nice to atheists who did not support communism either.
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Postby Socialist Monarchies » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:55 pm

This thread is about anti-theists, not atheism as a whole. BTW, I don't think Christian Deists have ever been persecuted.
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Postby Orcoa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:31 pm

Choronzon wrote:
The Vermin Confederation of Mossflower wrote:
I'd say the Soviet persecution and mass murder of theists counts...

Still doesn't equal ten times the number of Christians who have killed non-Christians.

You are a funny guy, really...I mean lets not forget the likes of Stalin who murdered 20,000,000 people or Mao who murdered 40,000,000 people over the most likely smaller number of people died in the name of Christianity.

I'm not saying Atheism caused these kinds of people to kill or that Christianity is blameless for the damages it has done to people...but to say what you said is both incredibly foolish and uneducated.
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:45 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Choronzon wrote:Still doesn't equal ten times the number of Christians who have killed non-Christians.

You are a funny guy, really...I mean lets not forget the likes of Stalin who murdered 20,000,000 people or Mao who murdered 40,000,000 people over the most likely smaller number of people died in the name of Christianity.

They didn't kill anyone in the name in atheism.
Orcoa wrote:I'm not saying Atheism caused these kinds of people to kill or that Christianity is blameless for the damages it has done to people...but to say what you said is both incredibly foolish and uneducated.

That's nice. Have you done the math?
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Postby Orcoa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:49 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Orcoa wrote:You are a funny guy, really...I mean lets not forget the likes of Stalin who murdered 20,000,000 people or Mao who murdered 40,000,000 people over the most likely smaller number of people died in the name of Christianity.

They didn't kill anyone in the name in atheism.
Orcoa wrote:I'm not saying Atheism caused these kinds of people to kill or that Christianity is blameless for the damages it has done to people...but to say what you said is both incredibly foolish and uneducated.

That's nice. Have you done the math?

Give me a second, I'm not a math major like some people :p

And didn't I say that those guys did not murder in the name of Atheism?
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:50 pm

Orcoa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:They didn't kill anyone in the name in atheism.

That's nice. Have you done the math?

Give me a second, I'm not a math major like some people :p

If you only needed a second, you might as well be one.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Orcoa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:52 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Orcoa wrote:Give me a second, I'm not a math major like some people :p

If you only needed a second, you might as well be one.

Well I did not really mean a second....that will take me awhile to really do the math :lol:

Anyway, I think we can all agree that Mao and Stalin where some fucked up people
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Postby Kintuckistan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:53 pm

As I Christian, i do think we will be pushed further and further to the boundaries of society.

I honestly would not be surprised if we had a Soviet-style type internment or something like that.
Either way, I'll take martyrdom. I just get to see Jesus faster.

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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:56 pm

Kintuckistan wrote:As I Christian, i do think we will be pushed further and further to the boundaries of society.

I honestly would not be surprised if we had a Soviet-style type internment or something like that.
Either way, I'll take martyrdom. I just get to see Jesus faster.

That's a very twisted view of your purpose in the world....... why would you want to die?
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Postby Gallowfield » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:57 pm

You know, atheists get it a lot rougher than many groups of people. A shame, most atheists I know are alright people
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Postby Mavorpen » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:57 pm

Menassa wrote:
Kintuckistan wrote:As I Christian, i do think we will be pushed further and further to the boundaries of society.

I honestly would not be surprised if we had a Soviet-style type internment or something like that.
Either way, I'll take martyrdom. I just get to see Jesus faster.

That's a very twisted view of your purpose in the world....... why would you want to die?

In heaven, you don't have to poop.
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Postby Menassa » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:58 pm

Gallowfield wrote:You know, atheists get it a lot rougher than many groups of people. A shame, most atheists I know are alright people

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