Should climate change deniers be disenfranchised?

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Yeah pretty piss poor that...lrn2science.

These are real vintage posters from a time in American history when doctors said smoking doesn't cause cancer. Believing something by authority is dangerous and happens all too often. A scientist says we're warming up the planet, so what? There's another scientist that says we aren't warming up the planet. Of course the environazis completely ignore the "experts" who have a differing opinion. Are you doing your part in reducing global warming? Did you stop driving your car and using electricity?

Yep..I know. And guess what...many of those doctors were paid by the various industry vested interests...as has been shown time and again. Not really science but more an aid to allow industry to continue to create profit.

Given you talk of belief shows you do not understand how science works...hence my comment that you should perhaps learn about science and how it works. For example - it is not a scientist saying that we are warming up the planet, but rather quite a few...in fact a majority of experts in their field. The "scientists" arguing the toss? Well follow the money - Koch Industries, Cato Institute (paid for by the Kochs btw) etc etc...that would be the vested interests scientists....you know...the ones that are in the posters you presented.

Am I doing my part? Probably. And you? Probably not...considering the amount of methane you're producing

[Nazi Flower Power]

Yeah pretty piss poor that...lrn2science.

These are real vintage posters from a time in American history when doctors said smoking doesn't cause cancer.

That's what happens when people don't listen to us Nazis. America ought to be ashamed of itself!

[Zephie]

These are real vintage posters from a time in American history when doctors said smoking doesn't cause cancer. Believing something by authority is dangerous and happens all too often. A scientist says we're warming up the planet, so what? There's another scientist that says we aren't warming up the planet. Of course the environazis completely ignore the "experts" who have a differing opinion. Are you doing your part in reducing global warming? Did you stop driving your car and using electricity?

Yep..I know. And guess what...many of those doctors were paid by the various industry vested interests...as has been shown time and again. Not really science but more an aid to allow industry to continue to create profit.

You just described global warming! Bravo. You did all the work for me. I have to thank you. I have extra time now to prepare my next dish.

[Costa Alegria]

Are you totally sure you're accusing the right person?

Of course.

That isn't what he said either.

Have you tried reading his posts

I have and unless you cannot speak English, that is essentially what he is saying.

in the case of climate change, the people to be excluded from power are those that deny it exists, deny that humans are the cause, or deny the expected effects without the expertise to do so legitimately.

Essentially he is repeating the same old argument that he always does. People that, in his opinion, aren't "qualified enough" (legitimately criticising something in his opinion means having the qualifications to do so) should be excluded from power by disenfranchisement. That is not respecting other's opinions and I cannot imagine how you missed that.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well, when you explain it that way it sounds like a wonderful idea! It'll be just like the good old days back in the Reich...

Yes, when only one opinion was allowed, which saved people lots of time from deciding things for themselves

Or would have saved time if Hitler didn't keep contradicting himself and changing his mind about shit...

[Kakistopolis]

For your reading pleasure....

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/climat ... -conqueror

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Despite all the evidence and facts presented the denier refrain has always been deny deny, socialist world government blah blah blah...there comes a point when the children get sent to their rooms so the adults can sort the shit out.

Hmmm, I thought you were calling OTHERS children, not yourself. Learn something new everyday!

Yeah...don't pretend to be a wit and raconteur. It really does not become you.

[Tubbsalot]

Are you totally sure you're accusing the right person?

Of course.

Well I'm glad you can come out with a transparently insane accusation like that and still believe you're being utterly reasonable. I think we're done here.

[Zephie]

Are you totally sure you're accusing the right person?

Of course.

That isn't what he said either.

Have you tried reading his posts

I have and unless you cannot speak English, that is essentially what he is saying.

in the case of climate change, the people to be excluded from power are those that deny it exists, deny that humans are the cause, or deny the expected effects without the expertise to do so legitimately.

Essentially he is repeating the same old argument that he always does. People that, in his opinion, aren't "qualified enough" (legitimately criticising something in his opinion means having the qualifications to do so) should be excluded from power by disenfranchisement. That is not respecting other's opinions and I cannot imagine how you missed that.

Just like how Dems. back in the day thought African Americans were way too stupid to vote and too dirty to sit in front of the bus.

[Costa Alegria]

Well I'm glad you can come out with a transparently insane accusation like that and still believe you're being utterly reasonable. I think we're done here.

We're not done. How is it that you cannot accept that someone might have different views than you?

[Dogapus]

No, they may be idiots, but no matter what, they are a minority and we can just ignore the s*** out of them

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Yep..I know. And guess what...many of those doctors were paid by the various industry vested interests...as has been shown time and again. Not really science but more an aid to allow industry to continue to create profit.

You just described global warming! Bravo. You did all the work for me. I have to thank you. I have extra time now to prepare my next dish.

Actually thank you for proving to me that your reading comprehension and cognitive reasoning abilities are outstripped by the lowly yet cute Tardigrade .

[Costa Alegria]

You just described left-wingers in a single sentence. Their way is the only way! Anyone with a differing opinion is dumb, stupid, ignorant, racist, and a a religious zealot that thinks killing babies is uncool.

No. Mine was sarcastic.

[Tubbsalot]

We're not done. How is it that you cannot accept that someone might have different views than you?

Sorry, I still think devil's advocacy is when you argue a point you don't believe, and therefore I am mentally unstable. I can't hear you over the voices in my head.

[DaWoad]

you know you've been gone from NSG too long when you're surprised to find that a question answered in the second post is ongoing 10 pages later . . . .

No, we should not disenfranchise people for their beliefs. That has never worked out well in the past and continues to be a fundamentally poor idea (who chooses, for one thing? How do you avoid massive corruption for another, and , more importantly, given that most of us believe something that's not held true by the mainstream, who is going to do the voting?).
Yes, climate change is real. This is scientific consensus and should, therefor, be treated as fact. Does that mean we need to go back to the stone age? no. Does it mean we should be investing more in renewable power, getting over our fear of nuclear power and trying like hell to make sure electric cars/planes/etc. become as viable as possible as quickly as possible? Yes. Also, space.

[Zephie]

You just described global warming! Bravo. You did all the work for me. I have to thank you. I have extra time now to prepare my next dish.

Actually thank you for proving to me that your reading comprehension and cognitive reasoning abilities are outstripped by the lowly yet cute Tardigrade .

No, I must thank you for showing NSG that science is often fudged for ulterior motives. Hats off to you!

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

We're not done. How is it that you cannot accept that someone might have different views than you?

Sorry, I still think devil's advocacy is when you argue a point you don't believe, and therefore I am mentally unstable. I can't hear you over the voices in my head.

Funnily enough that is exactly what acting the role of the devils advocate is...arguing a point you don't believe. I think this thread amply shows that there are not two sides to this debate but rather children who have heard big words and the adults who know what those big words mean.

[Gross Germanien]

But stupid people are too stupid to know any better and we need the enlightened of our generation to lead the way into a brighter, more harmonious future.

You just described left-wingers in a single sentence. Their way is the only way! Anyone with a differing opinion is dumb, stupid, ignorant, racist, and a a religious zealot that thinks killing babies is uncool.

I agree with that. Political Correctness spread all over the world and must be vanished.

[DaWoad]

Actually thank you for proving to me that your reading comprehension and cognitive reasoning abilities are outstripped by the lowly yet cute Tardigrade .

No, I must thank you for showing NSG that science is often fudged for ulterior motives. Hats off to you!

you say that like it's the first time you've said that.
also, both of you, cool it. Lose the personal attacks and stick to your arguments or, if that's not possible, just go for a walk for ten minutes or so.

[Zephie]

No, I must thank you for showing NSG that science is often fudged for ulterior motives. Hats off to you!

you say that like it's the first time you've said that.
also, both of you, cool it. Lose the personal attacks and stick to your arguments or, if that's not possible, just go for a walk for ten minutes or so.

A walk together with him would be romantic

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No, I must thank you for showing NSG that science is often fudged for ulterior motives. Hats off to you!

you say that like it's the first time you've said that.
also, both of you, cool it. Lose the personal attacks and stick to your arguments or, if that's not possible, just go for a walk for ten minutes or so.

Great...another wannabe mod.

[DaWoad]

you say that like it's the first time you've said that.
also, both of you, cool it. Lose the personal attacks and stick to your arguments or, if that's not possible, just go for a walk for ten minutes or so.

A walk together with him would be romantic

could be? alternately it could be an action flick wherein the two of you overcome your differences via the time honored method of fighting each other/enemies.... either way, it'd make for a great story.

[Costa Alegria]

Sorry, I still think devil's advocacy is when you argue a point you don't believe, and therefore I am mentally unstable. I can't hear you over the voices in my head.

Well at least you admitted it.

On a more serious note, it would actually be true that I was being the Devil's Advocate, purely because I have gone from being a complete skeptic to believing in it and acknowledging mankind's involvement and role in climate change. I just dislike any ideas that infringe on the rights of others and I am deeply fascinated as to why people would like to go to such lengths when the majority of people believe that climate change is occurring and that human activity is entirely or partly responsible for it.

What is the point of disenfranchising a minority of people who don't believe in something when the majority do? It would be like disenfranchising people that believe the Earth is flat.

[DaWoad]

you say that like it's the first time you've said that.
also, both of you, cool it. Lose the personal attacks and stick to your arguments or, if that's not possible, just go for a walk for ten minutes or so.

Great...another wannabe mod.

nope, no desire to be a mod. Just been around long enough that I can tell when things start to go off the rails. Like .. . now. . .

so, 'bout that global warming.

[Zephie]

Sorry, I still think devil's advocacy is when you argue a point you don't believe, and therefore I am mentally unstable. I can't hear you over the voices in my head.

Well at least you admitted it.

On a more serious note, it would actually be true that I was being the Devil's Advocate, purely because I have gone from being a complete skeptic to believing in it and acknowledging mankind's involvement and role in climate change. I just dislike any ideas that infringe on the rights of others and I am deeply fascinated as to why people would like to go to such lengths when the majority of people believe that climate change is occurring and that human activity is entirely or partly responsible for it.

What is the point of disenfranchising a minority of people who don't believe in something when the majority do? It would be like disenfranchising people that believe the Earth is flat.

We all know the majority is always right...

...right?