Should climate change deniers be disenfranchised?

[Kakistopolis]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

Why not just install enough data collecting thermometers in the Arctic to lower the Earth's average temperature?

[Tubbsalot]

Implant some form of explosive device on the surface of it so it is powerful enough to essentially blow the thing into smaller pieces and then blow those smaller pieces into further smaller fragments to reduce the damage to Earth.

And how does this relate to how my opinion of climate change is a threat to Free Soviets?

Er, look, I don't think it's unreasonable to say "if an extinction-level asteroid is about to hit the Earth - we can see it with our telescopes - and most people are nonetheless of the opinion that it doesn't exist, we should ignore them and do what's necessary to prevent everyone dying."

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Bullshit. Do you give children a voice? Because frankly that is what deniers are....children.

I'm gonna tell my Mommy.

And Mommy would say "listen to the scientist".

[Costa Alegria]

No way, Michael is fatter. Maybe he lost weight, haven't seen him lately, but Alex was never as fat as Michael at his fattest.

I only found out who he was today by looking at a number of "documentaries" made by John Pilger.

Bullshit. Do you give children a voice? Because frankly that is what deniers are....children.

But I'm not a denier. I've never denied climate change's existance. But I have a habit of being the Devil's Advocate. In this case, I refuse to be labelled as a denier by someone who has made it clear that he cannot tolerate the opinions of others and wishes for them to be silenced.

[Tubbsalot]

But I'm not a denier. I've never denied climate change's existance. But I have a habit of being the Devil's Advocate.

Er, no, it's totally obvious that you actually believe climate change isn't caused by humans. Arguing the point that you actually believe isn't devil's advocacy.

In this case, I refuse to be labelled as a denier by someone who has made it clear that he cannot tolerate the opinions of others and wishes for them to be silenced.

That is not even close to what he said.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

No way, Michael is fatter. Maybe he lost weight, haven't seen him lately, but Alex was never as fat as Michael at his fattest.

I only found out who he was today by looking at a number of "documentaries" made by John Pilger.

Bullshit. Do you give children a voice? Because frankly that is what deniers are....children.

But I'm not a denier. I've never denied climate change's existance. But I have a habit of being the Devil's Advocate. In this case, I refuse to be labelled as a denier by someone who has made it clear that he cannot tolerate the opinions of others and wishes for them to be silenced.

lolwut?

[Tsaraine]

If we were to start disenfranchising people for willful stupidity, we would never be stopping - and somewhere near the beginning of our ballot-tearing-up crusade we'd have to disenfranchise the people who think disenfranchising people for willful stupidity is a good idea. Which leads to the sort of brain-hurting paradox which is a sign of Bad Ideas.

[Gross Germanien]

Around 73 % of my population are climate change deniers and are a majority. You know, in my country, most of those silly environmentalists or hippies are most likely to be arrested at any time as they always try to burn down expensive cars and also governmental institutions.

[Zephie]

I'm gonna tell my Mommy.

And Mommy would say "listen to the scientist".

Just how I listen to the doctor and dentist!
BECAUSE, they're never wrong, ever.

[West Crotoa]

Banning a view because a guy with a freaky puppet avatar thinks it is stupid would be an abject breech of human rights,
what makes your opinion superior to mine?

I apreciate the fact that many people on the center left here are sticking up for democracy, btw. Bluth, you are a totalitarian by definition. Zieg Heil.

[Costa Alegria]

Er, no, it's totally obvious that you actually believe climate change isn't caused by humans. Arguing the point that you actually believe isn't devil's advocacy.

It's totally obvious that people become obnoxious when someone confronts their beliefs. Honestly dude, how is what I am saying threatening you and your little belief system that you have? Why do you feel it necessary to respond in such a manner that makes me think you have some form of personality complex?

That is not even close to what he said.

Quite. Saying that people that don't believe climate change isn't happening, people who don't believe in man made climate change and people who believe we shouldn't do anything about it shouldn't be able to vote or even be in his ideas of an "ideal society" is totally saying "I respect and tolerate your opinions".

He's also said that I'm not allowed to post because I'm not "qualified enough".

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

And Mommy would say "listen to the scientist".

Just how I listen to the doctor and dentist!
BECAUSE, they're never wrong, ever.

Yeah pretty piss poor that...lrn2science.

[Victorious Decepticons]

The notion that the idea of trying to "cheat code" past the opponents of the climate change agenda by disenfranchising that opposition could get even a second thought is a bigger red flag to me than any denialist claim I've ever seen so far.

[Zephie]

Just how I listen to the doctor and dentist!
BECAUSE, they're never wrong, ever.

Yeah pretty piss poor that...lrn2science.

These are real vintage posters from a time in American history when doctors said smoking doesn't cause cancer. Believing something by authority is dangerous and happens all too often. A scientist says we're warming up the planet, so what? There's another scientist that says we aren't warming up the planet. Of course the environazis completely ignore the "experts" who have a differing opinion. Are you doing your part in reducing global warming? Did you stop driving your car and using electricity?

[Nazi Flower Power]

Who gets to decide when electoral democracy is becoming a hinderance? Who gets to decide which groups need to be disenfranchised?

depends on the issue. in the case of climate change, the people to be excluded from power are those that deny it exists, deny that humans are the cause, or deny the expected effects without the expertise to do so legitimately.

as for who gets to decide, presumably anybody. just as long as they've got a very compelling argument for it, such that they could rationally persuade enough of the power centers of society that it is literally necessary for the continued survival of that society in a form worth preserving.

There is absolutely no rational argument for disenfranchising people based on a single belief they hold. If the belief is clearly false, and the issue is a matter of life and death, then the rest of the population will just outvote the idiots, thus making it unnecessary to disenfranchise them.

It's worth noting that there are so many other issues that people take into consideration when voting, there is no guarantee that their position on climate change will even affect how they vote. If someone does not believe in climate change, but thinks dependence on foreign oil is dangerous, air pollution is bad for our health when we breathe it in, etc., then they will probably vote for candidates who support alternative energy. If someone is really preoccupied with gay marriage and gun control, and bases all their voting decisions on those two issues, then their beliefs about climate change are kind of irrelevant.

A more effective method of keeping dangerous ideas out of government is to break up organizations that promote them. For example, let us Nazis keep our votes, but break up the neo-Nazi hate groups. It's much easier to break up an organization than it is to track down every individual that holds a belief. Regulating the media would also work. Not saying I want tons of censorship or anything, just saying it would be a more efficient way of controlling the outcome of elections.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

The notion that the idea of trying to "cheat code" past the opponents of the climate change agenda by disenfranchising that opposition could get even a second thought is a bigger red flag to me than any denialist claim I've ever seen so far.

Despite all the evidence and facts presented the denier refrain has always been deny deny, socialist world government blah blah blah...there comes a point when the children get sent to their rooms so the adults can sort the shit out.

[Kakistopolis]

The notion that the idea of trying to "cheat code" past the opponents of the climate change agenda by disenfranchising that opposition could get even a second thought is a bigger red flag to me than any denialist claim I've ever seen so far.

This.

[Zephie]

The notion that the idea of trying to "cheat code" past the opponents of the climate change agenda by disenfranchising that opposition could get even a second thought is a bigger red flag to me than any denialist claim I've ever seen so far.

Despite all the evidence and facts presented the denier refrain has always been deny deny, socialist world government blah blah blah...there comes a point when the children get sent to their rooms so the adults can sort the shit out.

Hmmm, I thought you were calling OTHERS children, not yourself. Learn something new everyday!

[Tubbsalot]

Er, no, it's totally obvious that you actually believe climate change isn't caused by humans. Arguing the point that you actually believe isn't devil's advocacy.

It's totally obvious that people become obnoxious when someone confronts their beliefs. Honestly dude, how is what I am saying threatening you and your little belief system that you have? Why do you feel it necessary to respond in such a manner that makes me think you have some form of personality complex?

"I am engaging in devil's advocacy."
"...no you're not. You're arguing for what you think. That's not devil's advocacy."
" Oh, well excuse me for threatening your quaint little belief system. I didn't realise I was going to set off your deep-seated psychological issues by confronting your beliefs. Maybe you should go to a psychiatrist and have that looked at."

Are you totally sure you're accusing the right person?

Quite. Saying that people that don't believe climate change isn't happening, people who don't believe in man made climate change and people who believe we shouldn't do anything about it shouldn't be able to vote or even be in his ideas of an "ideal society" is totally saying "I respect and tolerate your opinions".

That isn't what he said either.

Have you tried reading his posts

[Nazi Flower Power]

Who gets to decide when electoral democracy is becoming a hinderance? Who gets to decide which groups need to be disenfranchised? And what makes you think people who don't believe in climate change are all making money off oil? Sorry, but if you want to get the government to be more environmentally conscious, then you need to educate voters about why it's important. Or just lobby the government. Convincing the politicians is actually more important than convincing the voting public since the politicians have more direct influence on what the government does.

OP would just rather discriminate against people who have a different opinion and throw them into reeducation camps

Well, when you explain it that way it sounds like a wonderful idea! It'll be just like the good old days back in the Reich...

[Tubbsalot]

Despite all the evidence and facts presented the denier refrain has always been deny deny, socialist world government blah blah blah...there comes a point when the children get sent to their rooms so the adults can sort the shit out.

Hmmm, I thought you were calling OTHERS children, not yourself. Learn something new everyday!

yeah!!!! take that, liberals!!! stop acting like kids!!! i am rubber you are glue, your words bounce of me and stick to you!!!

[Zephie]

OP would just rather discriminate against people who have a different opinion and throw them into reeducation camps

Well, when you explain it that way it sounds like a wonderful idea! It'll be just like the good old days back in the Reich...

Yes, when only one opinion was allowed, which saved people lots of time from deciding things for themselves

[Costa Alegria]

If we were to start disenfranchising people for willful stupidity, we would never be stopping - and somewhere near the beginning of our ballot-tearing-up crusade we'd have to disenfranchise the people who think disenfranchising people for willful stupidity is a good idea. Which leads to the sort of brain-hurting paradox which is a sign of Bad Ideas.

But stupid people are too stupid to know any better and we need the enlightened of our generation to lead the way into a brighter, more harmonious future.

[Zephie]

If we were to start disenfranchising people for willful stupidity, we would never be stopping - and somewhere near the beginning of our ballot-tearing-up crusade we'd have to disenfranchise the people who think disenfranchising people for willful stupidity is a good idea. Which leads to the sort of brain-hurting paradox which is a sign of Bad Ideas.

But stupid people are too stupid to know any better and we need the enlightened of our generation to lead the way into a brighter, more harmonious future.

You just described left-wingers in a single sentence. Their way is the only way! Anyone with a differing opinion is dumb, stupid, ignorant, racist, and a a religious zealot that thinks killing babies is uncool.

[Kakistopolis]

The notion that the idea of trying to "cheat code" past the opponents of the climate change agenda by disenfranchising that opposition could get even a second thought is a bigger red flag to me than any denialist claim I've ever seen so far.

Despite all the evidence and facts presented the denier refrain has always been deny deny, socialist world government blah blah blah...there comes a point when the children get sent to their rooms so the adults can sort the shit out.

No need to get that deep. It doesn't take much effort to laugh off people trying to legislate the weather.