Should climate change deniers be disenfranchised?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Electoral democracy is not a suicide pact, and it's certainly not an end in itself. Rather, it's a means to ensuring the well-being of humanity, and there should be no hesitation to set it aside when it becomes a hindrance to that end, just as we would set aside a hammer with no compunctions when it comes time to cut a plank in two.

If the climate change deniers continue with their willfull ignorance and obstructionism, well, we are not obligated to let them sacrifice all of humanity for their own short-term private interests. Our lives are more important than their oil revenues. If saving mankind requires removing their access to the political system, should we do it?

[Saruhan]

And this could easily be used as an argument for banning non-christians from voting. No, we shouldn't disenfranchise people for their beliefs

[Ostroeuropa]

And this could easily be used as an argument for banning non-christians from voting. No, we shouldn't disenfranchise people for their beliefs

Congratulations. You have summed up the entire argument against the proposal in one post.

[Phocidaea]

I personally think so, but such an act would be an infringement on their civil liberties... and do that to one group, there's no stopping it from being applied to more.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

[Saruhan]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

"Yes, those damn atheists shouldn't have control over the lord's state. They shouldn't be allowed to degrade our society's moral fabric"

[Divair]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

Educate the future generations.

[AiliailiA]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

Outvote them. Gotta win the middle.

[Neu California]

No, it would be an unecessary violation of their rights that would likely backfire spectacularly by giving them more support than they would otherwise would have had.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

And if too many people refuse to be educated?

[Big Jim P]

And this could easily be used as an argument for banning non-christians from voting. No, we shouldn't disenfranchise people for their beliefs

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[Divair]

And if too many people refuse to be educated?

Kids do not refuse. Kids care. Kids are curious. Kids want to live in an awesome world.


We just need to make sure the education system is top notch.

[Big Jim P]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

The climate is changing. It constantly does. Now prove to me that humans are causing it.

[Silent Majority]

Then what do you propose we do, if the climate change deniers continue their stubbornness indefinitely and continue to promote humanity's destruction for their own private interests?

Educate the future generations.

It may be too late for that to be worthwhile.

[Ostroeuropa]

Good job man.
You have become a totalitarian.
Either you're a democrat or you aren't, and unless you are advocating for the devil here, it's clear you aren't.
What makes YOUR ideas any better than theirs? If you can't beat them in debate, then that's your problem.

[Divair]

Educate the future generations.

It may be too late for that to be worthwhile.

The world won't end in 20-30 years.

It'll be far worse, but not gone.

[Agymnum]

And if too many people refuse to be educated?

No one ever refuses to be educated.

What we need to do is ban those stupid religious schools that teach our kids the wrong shit. Beef up the public schooling system and get it teaching about climate change as a serious issue, and maybe we'll have a shot at survival.

[SD_Film Artists]

Don't force them to change their beliefs, just force them to be involved in the 'scientific method' of peer-review rather than agenda fuelled cherry-picking.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Exactly. We don't have an unlimited amount of time. Kids are not infinitely educable, especially if their parents are part of the problem. If push comes to shove, if there's no longer enough time for up to keep trying to educate people, are we seriously supposed to resign ourselves and all humanity to doom simply because people who knew what was going to happen nevertheless insisted on using a hammer to tighten a screw?

[Ostroeuropa]

Exactly. We don't have an unlimited amount of time. Kids are not infinitely educable, especially if their parents are part of the problem. If push comes to shove, if there's no longer enough time for up to keep trying to educate people, are we seriously supposed to resign ourselves and all humanity to doom simply because people who knew what was going to happen nevertheless insisted on using a hammer to tighten a screw?

I refuse to have humanity survive if it has to do so under tyranny. I'd rather have the ship sink with decency thanks.

[Agymnum]

Exactly. We don't have an unlimited amount of time. Kids are not infinitely educable, especially if their parents are part of the problem. If push comes to shove, if there's no longer enough time for up to keep trying to educate people, are we seriously supposed to resign ourselves and all humanity to doom simply because people who knew what was going to happen nevertheless insisted on using a hammer to tighten a screw?

I'd rather humanity be forced to face the fruit of their labor and die because they refused to change their ways.

At least then you can't blame anyone. It'll be humanity's own goddamn fault for being ignorant, backwards, and stupid.

[Big Jim P]

Exactly. We don't have an unlimited amount of time. Kids are not infinitely educable, especially if their parents are part of the problem. If push comes to shove, if there's no longer enough time for up to keep trying to educate people, are we seriously supposed to resign ourselves and all humanity to doom simply because people who knew what was going to happen nevertheless insisted on using a hammer to tighten a screw?

Humanity is hardly doomed by climate change. Humanity will adapt.

[Agymnum]

Exactly. We don't have an unlimited amount of time. Kids are not infinitely educable, especially if their parents are part of the problem. If push comes to shove, if there's no longer enough time for up to keep trying to educate people, are we seriously supposed to resign ourselves and all humanity to doom simply because people who knew what was going to happen nevertheless insisted on using a hammer to tighten a screw?

Humanity is hardly doomed by climate change. Humanity will adapt.

Can't adapt in a hundred years.

Not if we wanna start growing gills since land's gonna get swallowed up.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Of course I'm not a democrat? Did you not actually read the first post--you know, the one where I explained that electoral democracy is not a first principle, not an end in itself, but a means to the freedom and well-being of mankind that we should not hesitate to set aside when it becomes a hindrance to that end just as we would a hammer when it comes time to cut a plank in two?

[Big Jim P]

Humanity is hardly doomed by climate change. Humanity will adapt.

Can't adapt in a hundred years.

Not if we wanna start growing gills since land's gonna get swallowed up.

Hardly all of the land.

Edit: and they can adapt, overnight if need be. Just look at people who migrate from one climate to another today.