Will america break up?

[Fellrike]

Nothing lasts forever.

Nor should it. If the Aztec Empire had continued, Mexico could never have come into being. The collapse of the Roman Empire allowed many new countries and cultures to be born. We all answer to entropy, in time. It can't be any other way.
This is why there can never be any permanent polities, nor should there be.

[Israslovakahzerbajan]

If it does I claim Putney Hill as my own country! Free from those Martians...oh wait, wrong country.

[Texacoe]

No country in history has stayed together for more than 2000 years except Middle Eastern Countries and maybe China cause of dynasty changes.

[Murray land]

Nothing lasts forever.

Nor should it. If the Aztec Empire had continued, Mexico could never have come into being. The collapse of the Roman Empire allowed many new countries and cultures to be born. We all answer to entropy, in time. It can't be any other way.
This is why there can never be any permanent polities, nor should there be.

If America breaks up (doubtful) you'll have a group of maybe five/ seven countries who will end up in some EU style alliance anyways.

[New Sapienta]

Nothing lasts forever.

Nor should it. If the Aztec Empire had continued, Mexico could never have come into being. The collapse of the Roman Empire allowed many new countries and cultures to be born. We all answer to entropy, in time. It can't be any other way.
This is why there can never be any permanent polities, nor should there be.

New does not mean good.

Unless the Dark Ages were good.

[Lyncanestria]

Nor should it. If the Aztec Empire had continued, Mexico could never have come into being. The collapse of the Roman Empire allowed many new countries and cultures to be born. We all answer to entropy, in time. It can't be any other way.
This is why there can never be any permanent polities, nor should there be.

If America breaks up (doubtful) you'll have a group of maybe five/ seven countries who will end up in some EU style alliance anyways.

I dont think it will break up. But yeah IF it did, yup. This would most-likely happen.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Nor should it. If the Aztec Empire had continued, Mexico could never have come into being. The collapse of the Roman Empire allowed many new countries and cultures to be born. We all answer to entropy, in time. It can't be any other way.
This is why there can never be any permanent polities, nor should there be.

New does not mean good.

Unless the Dark Ages were good.

Do you want witches destroying our way of life?

[New Sapienta]

New does not mean good.

Unless the Dark Ages were good.

Do you want witches destroying our way of life?

Man, that was the 1600s.

I'm talking, like, cave dark man. The 500s-800s.

[Murray land]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

[Erucia]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

Not me, at least.

But if we were to split, I would like to become El Presidente, Head Cheese and Super Swank of Portland, OR.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

America has alot of states and if one of them wants to be indipendent others will follow.
It will edventualy break-up in the future maybe.
It could cause a major war.

Not its language at the least.

[Murray land]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

Not me, at least.

But if we were to split, I would like to become El Presidente, Head Cheese and Super Swank of Portland, OR.

Yeah I want to be Elected absolute monarch of New England

[Lotrabme]

It shall all be reunited under the Forgue Dynasty Emperors eventually, some remnant of thine individual polities will remain however.
(This thread is what my nation's founding is based on partially , zombies and nukes in addition)

[Yankee Empire]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

No

[Murray land]

Does anyone think the OP thought this thread through or knew anything about the USA before creating this thread?

No

Good neither did I.

[Kosovians]

America will break up in the future because as history repeats itself it is almost positive that there will be another civil war. We just don't know when this will come.

[Farnhamia]

The constitution allows for the states to secede if the chose so. The constitution serves as a contract between the state and the Federal Union government and can be dissolved if wanted. Oregon and Alaska should be independent and free from the Federal Union government,

Wrong, but show me how the Constitution allows it. Chapter and verse, please.

[Maurepas]

I doubt it, even if there were a will to do it, the Feds would tackle anyone who tried, and no militia or citizen army is ever going to be able to counter the US Military, not anymore.

If literally the best military minds of their age couldn't overcome the industrial might of the Federal Government, nobody today will be able to do it in my opinion either.

[Murray land]

The constitution allows for the states to secede if the chose so. The constitution serves as a contract between the state and the Federal Union government and can be dissolved if wanted. Oregon and Alaska should be independent and free from the Federal Union government,

Wrong, but show me how the Constitution allows it. Chapter and verse, please.

Yes do tell last I checked no new country maybe created with in the boundaries of the United States. I paraphrase but THAT is in the constitution.

[Fellrike]

Another war of secession is less likely than a civil war of ideologies, like the Spanish Civil War, with two or more factions fighting to gain control of the whole country. The relentless erosion of states' rights will make this outcome more likely, unfortunately.
I agree that no citizen militia is going to be a match for the US armed forces. Any uprising will have to have the support of at least some of the military, or it'll be crushed quickly.
People sometimes say, an attempted seizure of power by some kind of military junta could never happen in the US. But I wouldn't be surprised if someone in the Pentagon has anticipated and prepared a plan for even this improbable contingency.
One thing is for sure, though: a coup d'etat must take control at once, before the authorities have time to rally their forces to resist, or, the junta has to be crushed just as quickly. Otherwise, each side will be left in control of territory, arms, people and resources enough to wage a cruel civil war, and this is almost sure to follow.

[The Tidal Wake]

Wrong, but show me how the Constitution allows it. Chapter and verse, please.

Yes do tell last I checked no new country maybe created with in the boundaries of the United States. I paraphrase but THAT is in the constitution.

Article 4 Section 3 is what youre trying to talk about, but that states
"but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

So a new country could develop in the middle of the US, a new state could not.

[North California]

Yes do tell last I checked no new country maybe created with in the boundaries of the United States. I paraphrase but THAT is in the constitution.

Article 4 Section 3 is what youre trying to talk about, but that states
"but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

So a new country could develop in the middle of the US, a new state could not.

That might be a bit of a problem.

[Quintero]

I am surprised at the sheer number of people that think that at no point in the future will a nation split apart. Not that history has shown that every nation ever have split, resplit, and fought within itself.

[Late Roman Empire]

Texas vs. White was wrong. The Tenth Amendment and the Treaty both supersede a few corrupt jurists, anyway.

[Maurepas]

Texas vs. White was wrong. The Tenth Amendment and the Treaty both supersede a few corrupt jurists, anyway.

The Tenth Amendment says nothing about Secession, just delegates powers not granted to the Federal Government to the States. Even though the South likes to pretend otherwise.

Further, what treaty are you talking about? Constitutionally most secession arguments generally center around the fact that the Constitution doesn't necessarily prohibit it, it doesn't really mention the subject much at all, and certainly doesn't endorse it.

Texas v. White, actually, leaves open the possibility of secession in the ruling, for largely the same beating around the bush reasons the Constitution doesn't mention it.

Your real problem comes with, like any other nation, the fact that unless the Federal Government signs off on it(unlikely), it is perfectly within its rights to fight to retain its territories currently in rebellion, and like the American Revolution before it, the potential new nation has to prove its ability to subsist on its own by winning said fight.