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The Holy Empires Embassy
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Postby The Holy Empires Embassy » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:54 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Scenario:
(Alien attack for instance :p)


Then i wouldnt want a dezentralisided liberal government!

There can be only one sane reason:
A strong Emperor! Kill the Xenos!
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:55 pm

Divair wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Fuck that shit. Just have one rule, "nothing shall be unlawful unless it directly harms or damages interests of non-consenting individual."

Way too vague and open to abuse. Imagine if a party like the GOP only had to abide by a rule like that.



Reagan. So what is the problem?
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:55 pm

The Holy Empires Embassy wrote: a dezentralisided

English please.

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:55 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Divair wrote:Way too vague and open to abuse. Imagine if a party like the GOP only had to abide by a rule like that.



Reagan. So what is the problem?

What about him?

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Postby Long Island Nation » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:56 pm

- You lose your right to life if you commit a violent act.
- You have the right to life if you are a fetus late in pregnancy.
- You have the right to bear arms.
- You have the right to live in a nation that does whatever it damn well pleases no matter what one group trying to govern seven whole billion says.

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Postby Wolfine » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:56 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Fuck that shit. Just have one rule, "nothing shall be unlawful unless it directly harms or damages interests of non-consenting individual."


So it's illegal to troll. D:
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:58 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:I'm sorry, once again I'm completely failing to see your point.

Old Tyrannia wrote:Putting aside my opposition to world government in the first place, I think the key principals of my ideal global constitution would be:
1) The upholding of traditional authority throughout the world.
2) The right to freedom of speech and thought.
3) The right of all people to the basic neccesities of life, as well as to life itself.
4) The right of all living things to be treated with respect, and the condemnation of all forms of cruelty.
5) The obligation to protect the Earth's natural environment.

And no, I must confess that I do not believe any hypothetical constitution I would draw up for a united human race would be deemed acceptable to the rest of the human race.

The bolded, underlined, and italicized. My point is that you're wrong, and I've been trying to get you to see how and why you're wrong.

...
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Why am I wrong, again?
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Old Tyrannia wrote:Region was perhaps the wrong phrase. Culture may have been better.



Possibly, but how does that alter the basic question?
There are 2 bodies that claim to have traditional authority. They both have a reasonable weight of arguments at their side...

Which of the two bodies traditionally take precedence?
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Divair wrote:
Norsklow wrote:

Reagan. So what is the problem?

What about him?

Jolly good time in history.

Way too vague and open to abuse. Imagine if a party like the GOP only had to abide by a rule like that
Actually, that makes it sound like a really good idea.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:
The bolded, underlined, and italicized. My point is that you're wrong, and I've been trying to get you to see how and why you're wrong.

...
I'm sorry, but I just don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Why am I wrong, again?

No, but I will wait while you go re-read it.

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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:00 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Which of the two bodies traditionally take precedence?


King George!
Joseph Stalin, 20 million plus dead -Mao-Tse-Dong, 40 million plus dead - Pol Pot, 2 million dead -Kim-Il-Sung, 5 million dead - Fidel Castro, 1 million dead.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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The Holy Empires Embassy
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Postby The Holy Empires Embassy » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:00 pm

Divair wrote:
The Holy Empires Embassy wrote: a dezentralisided

English please.


damn english! many words where singular and plural look alike and no distinction between female and male! How can you even survive with such an imprecise language?

The Holy Empires Embassy wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Scenario:
(Alien attack for instance :p)


Then i wouldnt want a decentralised liberal government!

There can be only one sane reason:
A strong Emperor! Kill the Xenos!


fixed.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:00 pm

Norsklow wrote:Jolly good time in history.

I don't know whether or not this is sarcasm.

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Postby North California » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:01 pm

Divair wrote:
North California wrote:
I'm sorry but I refuse to live under a planetary corporate police state.

Who says it'll be a police state?


Because free and open elections on a planetary scale would be practically impossible. The government would find it much easier to just have no elections.
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Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:02 pm

North California wrote:Because free and open elections on a planetary scale would be practically impossible.

Why?

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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Divair wrote:
Norsklow wrote:Jolly good time in history.

I don't know whether or not this is sarcasm.


No sarcasm. Jolly good,just like under Charles II. Or Billy Clinton, for that matter.
Joseph Stalin, 20 million plus dead -Mao-Tse-Dong, 40 million plus dead - Pol Pot, 2 million dead -Kim-Il-Sung, 5 million dead - Fidel Castro, 1 million dead.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
NationStates: Because FOX is for douchebags.

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Postby Old Tyrannia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Which of the two bodies traditionally take precedence?


King George!

Then His Majesty is the lawful authority.
Anglican monarchist, paternalistic conservative and Christian existentialist.
"It is spiritless to think that you cannot attain to that which you have seen and heard the masters attain. The masters are men. You are also a man. If you think that you will be inferior in doing something, you will be on that road very soon."
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⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

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Postby North California » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Yewhohohopia wrote:
North California wrote:
I'm sorry but I refuse to live under a planetary corporate police state.

Of course the way to escape a pseudo-fascist society is to create change through massive retaliation and violence against one's ideological foes. Because it's important that revolutions do exactly the kind of thing they were pissed off about in the first place, or else humanity might change for the better or whatever.



I'd abolish the world government, and work towards restoring all the countries back to the way they should be.
I am a staunch supporter of Austrian Theory economics as defined by Ludwig von Mises, and I consider myself to be a libertarian and I support Ron Paul Gary Johnson. Basically, I am a capitalist revolutionary
Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

Everyone should watch this video

Factbook

Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

American Nationalist. Yet, anti-American government

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:03 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Divair wrote:I don't know whether or not this is sarcasm.


No sarcasm. Jolly good,just like under Charles II. Or Billy Clinton, for that matter.

...

I..

No. I'm not even going to bother.

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:03 pm

Long Island Nation wrote:-
- You have the right to life if you are a fetus late in pregnancy.

No thanks.
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:03 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
King George!

Then His Majesty is the lawful authority.

OIC:

OOC: My Traditionalism is better than yours. I've combined High Toryism with Carlism.
Joseph Stalin, 20 million plus dead -Mao-Tse-Dong, 40 million plus dead - Pol Pot, 2 million dead -Kim-Il-Sung, 5 million dead - Fidel Castro, 1 million dead.

"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
NationStates: Because FOX is for douchebags.

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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:04 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Long Island Nation wrote:-
- You have the right to life if you are a fetus late in pregnancy.

No thanks.

I was more concerned about the death penalty.

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Postby Yewhohohopia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:04 pm

North California wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:Of course the way to escape a pseudo-fascist society is to create change through massive retaliation and violence against one's ideological foes. Because it's important that revolutions do exactly the kind of thing they were pissed off about in the first place, or else humanity might change for the better or whatever.



I'd abolish the world government, and work towards restoring all the countries back to the way they should be.

Yeah yeah "the ends are so noble :(" fucking whatever.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:04 pm

Divair wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Fuck that shit. Just have one rule, "nothing shall be unlawful unless it directly harms or damages interests of non-consenting individual."

Way too vague and open to abuse. Imagine if a party like the GOP only had to abide by a rule like that.

Its supposed be constitution.
Further laws can be passed while remaining within boundaries set out by the constitution.
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North California
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Postby North California » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:05 pm

Divair wrote:
North California wrote:Because free and open elections on a planetary scale would be practically impossible.

Why?


Because a 7 billion person election would be a procedual nightmare.

I mean, who really wants to count 7 billion votes?

Not to mention each cultural/regional group would vote in its own interests (if there even are elections) at the expense of others. Thus the only way to solve this would be forced migration or brainwashing. Both of which are morally questionable.
I am a staunch supporter of Austrian Theory economics as defined by Ludwig von Mises, and I consider myself to be a libertarian and I support Ron Paul Gary Johnson. Basically, I am a capitalist revolutionary
Economic Left/Right: 6.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92

Everyone should watch this video

Factbook

Got a US-themed nation, and need a flag? This is the place

American Nationalist. Yet, anti-American government

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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:05 pm

Norsklow wrote:
Divair wrote:I don't know whether or not this is sarcasm.


No sarcasm. Jolly good,just like under Charles II. Or Billy Clinton, for that matter.

The single reason why we performed decent in any way was because of compromise. You know, because the Democrats actually cared about making the country better, unlike the GOP today.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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