Constitution of Mankind

[Alaje]

It's been done before: Brasilia, St. Petersburg, Naypyidaw.

And I don't like them, I like cities shaped (mostly) by the people rather then government planning more. dunno why exactly

Meh, to me the manner in which a city came into existance is irrelevant.

[The Emerald Dawn]

You will always, ALWAYS, have at least some portion of humanity that is anarchist. This segment is usually quite tame, and generally self-destructs because they don't quite understand what anarchy means. However, you need to have an armed force trained to prevent ethnic cleansing, radical separatists, provide security during extreme weather events, and to respond to the occasional alien invasion.

That really sounds like something the police can deal with.

Radical notion:

The original intent of the National Guard was to act to prevent the above named things. It only morphed into a direct reserve component when "Dubbleya" decided that Iraq was a good idea. The police should never be responsible for MASSIVE ARMED FIGHTS (caps for emphasis of scale), but should instead be a mostly unarmed force to provide for the common security and welfare.

[Raeyh]

That didn't actually happen, though.

Dropping clusterbombs on mobs trying to violate embassies because of their hissy fits is fine by me too. Didn't actually happen either.

Free Speech = sacrosanct.
Dead hissy fitters = roadkill.

Well, if you don't like the crowded movie theater hypothetical, how about child abuse? Child pornography is technically a form of speech and you can't deny that it happens.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Dropping clusterbombs on mobs trying to violate embassies because of their hissy fits is fine by me too. Didn't actually happen either.

Free Speech = sacrosanct.
Dead hissy fitters = roadkill.

Well, if you don't like the crowded movie theater hypothetical, how about child abuse? Child pornography is technically a form of speech and you can't deny that it happens.

It abridges the rights of the child, hence it isn't covered under free speech. Your rights stop where mine start.

[Saruhan]

Rome has a better history then some space station that is related in name only to Rome

Correction. Rome has a history. Good or bad is most definitely up for debate.

Personally I think a new government and a new era deserves a new history. A Space Station I feel is impractical, because, you know, Space Station.

By better history I meant a richer history then some hunk of metal in space

[Raeyh]

Well, if you don't like the crowded movie theater hypothetical, how about child abuse? Child pornography is technically a form of speech and you can't deny that it happens.

It abridges the rights of the child, hence it isn't covered under free speech. Your rights stop where mine start.

Which is why speech needs to be restricted in cases where it causes harm. But these posters are claiming total free speech with no restrictions.

[Norsklow]

Dropping clusterbombs on mobs trying to violate embassies because of their hissy fits is fine by me too. Didn't actually happen either.

Free Speech = sacrosanct.
Dead hissy fitters = roadkill.

Well, if you don't like the crowded movie theater hypothetical, how about child abuse? Child pornography is technically a form of speech and you can't deny that it happens.

Define child-pornography.
We haven't come around to discussing whether children have rights just yet.
Although I tried pushing for that kind of discussion.

[Raeyh]

Well, if you don't like the crowded movie theater hypothetical, how about child abuse? Child pornography is technically a form of speech and you can't deny that it happens.

Define child-pornography.
We haven't come around to discussing whether children have rights just yet.
Although I tried pushing for that kind of discussion.

It would be pornography of anyone of minority age, whatever that is defined of as in this world nation. Pornography, naturally being naked photographs and films of people having sex.

[Old Tyrannia]

Putting aside my opposition to world government in the first place, I think the key principals of my ideal global constitution would be:

1) The upholding of traditional authority throughout the world.
2) The right to freedom of speech and thought.
3) The right of all people to the basic neccesities of life, as well as to life itself.
4) The right of all living things to be treated with respect, and the condemnation of all forms of cruelty.
5) The obligation to protect the Earth's natural environment.

And no, I must confess that I do not believe any hypothetical constitution I would draw up for a united human race would be deemed acceptable to the rest of the human race.

[Norsklow]

Define child-pornography.
We haven't come around to discussing whether children have rights just yet.
Although I tried pushing for that kind of discussion.

It would be pornography of anyone of minority age, whatever that is defined of as in this world nation.

Well,if you put it like that ( rather than say, movies of 4 year old children getting raped by someone older ) then I must say that I refuse to countenance a Law against it. I have particular intention of stopping pornography in general, or of stopping Bibles or Korans.

If anything, I'd rather make darned sure you'd go to jail for trying to stop any of those 3.

[Vetterland]

Vetterland would fight to its last breath in its defense!

Oh, my political "Friends" (rivals) aren't going to whine about it. I would like to propose a amendment banning Ketchup in soft drinks.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Putting aside my opposition to world government in the first place, I think the key principals of my ideal global constitution would be:

1) The upholding of traditional authority throughout the world.
2) The right to freedom of speech and thought.
3) The right of all people to the basic neccesities of life, as well as to life itself.
4) The right of all living things to be treated with respect, and the condemnation of all forms of cruelty.
5) The obligation to protect the Earth's natural environment.

And no, I must confess that I do not believe any hypothetical constitution I would draw up for a united human race would be deemed acceptable to the rest of the human race.

My fellow Americans, I have just signed a bill which would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

[Raeyh]

It would be pornography of anyone of minority age, whatever that is defined of as in this world nation.

Well,if you put it like that ( rather than say, movies of 4 year old children getting raped by someone older ) then I must say that I refuse to countenance a Law against it. I have particular intention of stopping pornography in general, or of stopping Bibles or Korans.

If anything, I'd rather make darned sure you'd go to jail for trying to stop any of those 3.

You lost me. Are you saying you have nothing wrong with simple nudity, no matter how exploitative or suggestive? You will only outlaw something that actually has sex?

[Old Tyrannia]

Putting aside my opposition to world government in the first place, I think the key principals of my ideal global constitution would be:

1) The upholding of traditional authority throughout the world.
2) The right to freedom of speech and thought.
3) The right of all people to the basic neccesities of life, as well as to life itself.
4) The right of all living things to be treated with respect, and the condemnation of all forms of cruelty.
5) The obligation to protect the Earth's natural environment.

And no, I must confess that I do not believe any hypothetical constitution I would draw up for a united human race would be deemed acceptable to the rest of the human race.

My fellow Americans, I have just signed a bill which would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

I'm sorry, you'll have to explain the relevance of your post to mine for me. It's quite gone over my head.

[The Luna lands of Lindenholt]

I actually don't realy think the world CAN unite as one nation there will be always a difference between us and we as humanity (and as a instinct of humans) want to ''express'' that by dividing and the best thing what humanity can reach is offcorse one nation but i don't think so i thing the most ''reacheble'' for humanity is whole united continets and maybe a united North America and Europe

[Genivaria]

A Bill of Rights doth not a Constitution make.

Mr speaker!

Who are persons in the eyes of the Law?
-are children persons?
-animals?
-corporations?
-is a married couple a person in the eyes of the Law?
-a trade union?

WHO can have rights? Who is an ACTOR in the public realm?

Any Sentient and Sapient beings are Persons with rights.
I didn't say Humans because that may put us in a strange position if ET's ever show up.

The strict legal definition of “animal” is: “Any living being, not a human, endowed with the power of voluntary motion.”
Rather flawed I think seeing as how Humans ARE animals themselves.

Children and Non-Sapient Animals are also deserving of rights.
Children should have most of the same rights as adults except for things like voting.

Non-Sapient Animals however should have lesser rights, they should be protected from abuse, poaching, and unnecessary abuse.
If we must kill for food then we can at least make it painless for them.

[Len Hyet]

Correction. Rome has a history. Good or bad is most definitely up for debate.

Personally I think a new government and a new era deserves a new history. A Space Station I feel is impractical, because, you know, Space Station.

By better history I meant a richer history then some hunk of metal in space

A richer history by who's definition?
Raping murdering hordes of "civilized" conquerers. That is who we want to base our new age on?

[The Emerald Dawn]

My fellow Americans, I have just signed a bill which would outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes.

I'm sorry, you'll have to explain the relevance of your post to mine for me. It's quite gone over my head.

Deep seated hatreds are a substantial barrier to allowing traditional authority throughout the world. A united government would have to be able to usurp the rights to governing for local fiat.

[Norsklow]

Well,if you put it like that ( rather than say, movies of 4 year old children getting raped by someone older ) then I must say that I refuse to countenance a Law against it. I have particular intention of stopping pornography in general, or of stopping Bibles or Korans.

If anything, I'd rather make darned sure you'd go to jail for trying to stop any of those 3.

You lost me. I. Are you saying you have nothing wrong with simple nudity, no matter how exploitative or suggestive? II You will only outlaw something that actually has sex?

I. WOW You finally start to get the idea.
II. You I will only outlaw something that actually has sexrape.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm sorry, you'll have to explain the relevance of your post to mine for me. It's quite gone over my head.

Deep seated hatreds are a substantial barrier to allowing traditional authority throughout the world. A united government would have to be able to usurp the rights to governing for local fiat.

Upholding and recognising traditional authority does not equal allowing local authorities to do whatever the hell they please. Additionally, I fail to see how the people of the United States would suddenly decide to obliterate Russia just because of the prescence of a global authority. Furthermore, I'm not sure why you think the leadership of a hypothetical North American regional authority based in the former United States would have any authority over Russia.

[Norsklow]

By better history I meant a richer history then some hunk of metal in space

A richer history by who's definition?
Raping murdering hordes of "civilized" conquerers. That is who we want to base our new age on?

Worked dandy it the past!

[Breheim]

My suggestion:

- Each Nation-State has the right to it's own laws, customs and government which cannot be infringed by the World-State.
- Each Nation-State is free to interpret the Declaration of Human Rights as they see determine.
- The World-State has a proportional amount of delegates in a legislative chamber for global issues. Each Nation-State's representatives is determined as that Nation-State sees fit.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Deep seated hatreds are a substantial barrier to allowing traditional authority throughout the world. A united government would have to be able to usurp the rights to governing for local fiat.

Upholding and recognising traditional authority does not equal allowing local authorities to do whatever the hell they please. Additionally, I fail to see how the people of the United States would suddenly decide to obliterate Russia just because of the prescence of a global authority. Furthermore, I'm not sure why you think the leadership of a hypothetical North American regional authority based in the former United States would have any authority over Russia.

1. Ronald Reagan said what I posted.
2. My point is that you need to define the rights of local governing, otherwise I get to decide it first. It could include mandatory pony rides, it could include wing-tip-to-wing-tip negotiations, we never know.
3. Because "traditional authority" in North America starts in Washington DC.

[Republic Of Hell]

http://midimagic.sgc-hosting.com/bilonort.htm

I'm good with that.

[Raeyh]

You lost me. I. Are you saying you have nothing wrong with simple nudity, no matter how exploitative or suggestive? II You will only outlaw something that actually has sex?

I. WOW You finally start to get the idea.
II. You I will only outlaw something that actually has sexrape.

Exploitation is just as bad, though I doubt I'll be able to convince you.