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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:48 am

Scenario:
The planet has united into one massive country, and you are one of the people in charge of writing the new constitution (Bill of rights too.).
What do you think should be included?
And do you think your proposals would be adopted currently if the world united tomorrow. (Alien attack for instance :p)

I'd want democratic systems in place, guarantee's to free speech and fair trials, freedom of (AND from) religion, separation of church and state, and an incredibly decentralized system of government.
Freedom of travel too.

I think this would probably be accepted by the majority of the populace.


Teh Stuff
- Must be Democratic
- Freedom of speech
- Fair trials
- Freedom of and from religion
- Seperation of church and state
- freedom of travel
- Freedom to assemble
- Freedom to marry any and every consenting adult
- Freedom from unwarranted search or seizure
- Right to first refusal


EDIT:
This isn't an RP. I'm asking you to imagine the scenario and post what you'd want included.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:49 am

To add on to the list (add one to the OP?):

- Freedom to assemble
- Marriage rights for any amount of consensual adults (feel free to rephrase)

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:50 am

Divair wrote:To add on to the list (add one to the OP?):

- Freedom to assemble
- Marriage rights for any amount of consensual adults (feel free to rephrase)


I'll add ones I think are good but i mean, if i add all the suggestions it'd probably end up nonsensical and crazy :p
I'll encourage people to pilfer others suggestions if they like them and make their own though
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Postby Raeyh » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:52 am

-The world will be divided into smaller sovereign nations, based on population.

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Postby Dominion of Nova Scotia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:53 am

Why not just have this be law?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:54 am

Dominion of Nova Scotia wrote:Why not just have this be law?


So the UDHR as a subset of the constitution?
Probably is what'd happen anyway broadly speaking. Just some rephrases
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:54 am

We should turn Terra into the capital of the Imperium of Man.

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Postby The American Commune » Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:58 am

Let's also add: freedom to stay in place. Even if there's one world government, I don't want it to be able to force me to move to whatever part of the world it wants me in(which many large empires in the past did).

Also, I made up my mind long ago that Paris should be the capital of the world.
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:00 am

A Bill of Rights doth not a Constitution make.

Mr speaker!

Who are persons in the eyes of the Law?
-are children persons?
-animals?
-corporations?
-is a married couple a person in the eyes of the Law?
-a trade union?

WHO can have rights? Who is an ACTOR in the public realm?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:01 am

The American Commune wrote:Let's also add: freedom to stay in place. Even if there's one world government, I don't want it to be able to force me to move to whatever part of the world it wants me in.

Also, I made up my mind long ago that Paris should be the capital of the world.


I was thinking somewhere in the Iraq area. With some decent canal construction it's got access to 5 sea's and is central to the world-island of eurasia. It'd also be a stabilizing presence in a somewhat instable region.
Freedom to stay in place could fall under freedom of movement too
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:01 am

Norsklow wrote:A Bill of Rights doth not a Constitution make.

Mr speaker!

Who are persons in the eyes of the Law?
-are children persons?
-animals?
-corporations?
-is a married couple a person in the eyes of the Law?
-a trade union?

WHO can have rights? Who is an ACTOR in the public realm?


good question. I don't have an awnser.
:p
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Postby Trindade e Martin Vaz » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:03 am

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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:03 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Norsklow wrote:A Bill of Rights doth not a Constitution make.

Mr speaker!

Who are persons in the eyes of the Law?
-are children persons?
-animals?
-corporations?
-is a married couple a person in the eyes of the Law?
-a trade union?

WHO can have rights? Who is an ACTOR in the public realm?


good question. I don't have an awnser.
:p



Mr Speaker! Unless those questions are answered it is completely FUTILE to consider the notion of a bill or rights in the first place.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:04 am

Trindade e Martin Vaz wrote:Unification? Constitution? It looks like just another US's dream, based in their "democratics" way.
I suggest Anarchy. Let's just forget the rules and then let the fittest survive.

No.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:04 am

Norsklow wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
good question. I don't have an awnser.
:p



Mr Speaker! Unless those questions are answered it is completely FUTILE to consider the notion of a bill or rights in the first place.


Fair point. So what constitutes personhood to you?
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:09 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Norsklow wrote:

Mr Speaker! Unless those questions are answered it is completely FUTILE to consider the notion of a bill or rights in the first place.


Fair point. So what constitutes personhood to you?


Anything that can have Rights. ( rights are attributes of persons )
I offer no specific position at this time, except for the following:

' that no one except natural persons shall have natural rights'
and
'that no rights of eg. collectives may come into existence EXCEPT THROUGH a natural person surrending his or her natural rights to the 'new' non-natural person ( eg a married couple or a civil-unionized same sex couple or a corporation or a trade union ) and that the natural person thereby LOSES his or her permanent right that was surrendered.'
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:19 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Divair wrote:To add on to the list (add one to the OP?):

- Freedom to assemble
- Marriage rights for any amount of consensual adults (feel free to rephrase)


I'll add ones I think are good but i mean, if i add all the suggestions it'd probably end up nonsensical and crazy :p
I'll encourage people to pilfer others suggestions if they like them and make their own though


I'm proposing the exact opposite, of course.
When someone proposed a new right the first thing to ask is 'so which one are you giving up then?'

It strikes me that each and every controversy over rights ' has a corporation the right to polute'
'does an animal have a right not to be subjected to the notions of a community ( eg religious ) how it is to be slaughtered' 'do you have a right to teach Creationism in a class-room'
is the result of endemic failure to ask the question' so where does a right come from, then?'
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:25 am

Has anybody ever examined all the legal codes in operation around the world to see what they all have in common? Are there any where there isn't a crime of murder for example?
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:27 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:Has anybody ever examined all the legal codes in operation around the world to see what they all have in common? Are there any where there isn't a crime of murder for example?


No doubt. But what does criminal code have to do with Constitutional code, other than that ConCode imposes limits and even defines the magisterium of CrimCode?
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Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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Postby Vellosia » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:28 am

To be honest, I really can't see a planet-wide government ever being democratic. It'd be impossible to hold an election that produces any meaningful result that allows any kind of stable government to be formed. In every scenario I can see, a planet-wide government is essentially autocratic, just to varying degrees.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:29 am

Britain will need an annual referendum to keep the complaining at a disgruntled simmer.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:41 am

Norsklow wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:Has anybody ever examined all the legal codes in operation around the world to see what they all have in common? Are there any where there isn't a crime of murder for example?


No doubt. But what does criminal code have to do with Constitutional code, other than that ConCode imposes limits and even defines the magisterium of CrimCode?


The US Consitution isn't the only one, quite a few constitutions can be seen as basic codes of law.
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Postby East Ormania » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:46 am

-The world should be divided into smaller territories created by grouping similar cultures, and those territories shall be partially sovereign, to the point of deciding it's own laws, but no right whatsoever to control things like the local military, and every one of those territories shall have a representant in some world council or something, these delegates decided by the ruler of the territory, who should be elected democratically.
- The world leader shall be elected democratically, in a 5-years mandate, with no limits on how much mandates or years one should spend being the world leader.
- The military service should be compulsory, with a up-or-out system, with members coming out of every "territory" in the world, and the overall leader of the military position should be constantly rotated, in a two-years mandate system, and every military leader should be elected as the one having the highest ranking of all soldiers, but this overall commander of the military should respond to the world leader as he/she wold be the supreme commader of the armed forces.
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Postby Divair » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:46 am

East Ormania wrote:- The military service should be compulsory

No.
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Postby Norsklow » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:47 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:
Norsklow wrote:
No doubt. But what does criminal code have to do with Constitutional code, other than that ConCode imposes limits and even defines the magisterium of CrimCode?


The US Consitution isn't the only one, quite a few constitutions can be seen as basic codes of law.



Where did I state that it is? Last time I tried making one for Britain, I began with the French model.

I'm proposing to start with looking at how we define things ,rather than at what we would have existing things do.
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"We the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, with so little, for so long, we are now qualified to do anything, with nothing"

Don't call me Beny! Am I your Father or something? http://paanluelwel2011.wordpress.com/20 ... honorable/
And I way too young to be Beny bith.
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